Voss Said " We had them on Toast"

[Devilhead]

yes we were on toast...then we went into 2nd gear

Edited for accuracy

[Dan Warna]

i dont think we were on toast

we had to work hard yes, but its not 1998 and they didn't give up.

this is a hard nosed team RL has moulded.

[Saints Premiers 2008]

HAd we kicked better, he would have said they killed us all day.

is it fun being correct???

tell me how

[chook23]

Vossies comment was accurate. They were up by 9 points in the last and you shouldn't drop games from there. Exactly the reason why I'm so excited about this result!

tend to agree

enough lifted to get us over the line.

[evertonfc]

i dont think we were on toast

we had to work hard yes, but its not 1998 and they didn't give up.

this is a hard nosed team RL has moulded.

Oh god - how badly our team could falter after half-time back then.

So many bad memories. Once we fell behind, that was it.

[Dan Warna]

aye, i admit i was worried but it made the fact we won by 3 goals going away from them all the more impressive.

throw in the fact they kept dobbing them in from 50m....

if your defence is forcing your opposition to continually shoot from 50, thats a job well done, the reality is they were incredibly accurate, so many from 50....

normally thats a 50/50 proposition, so our score was undermined by poor shooting, and theirs more impressive by brilliant (it was) shooting.

every think else was our win

[Milton66]

HAd we kicked better, he would have said they killed us all day.

is it fun being correct???

tell me how

"us" as in us, not them.

Voss: they killed us all day

was sitting behind the goals. that bloody Bradshaw. Each shot looked like it was going to miss, then it swung back at the lat minute and snuck in.

[stinger]

thats the sort of thinking that used to make st kilda fans happy in the 80s.

we got within 3 goals of carlton....

the reality was they played their hardest best football and still came up short.

the reality was, they couldn't match our intensity in the 4th quarter

the reality was, we were fitter than them for 4 quarters

the reality was, that we won everywhere around the ground save in front of goals and still beat them by 3 goals...

Our defence leaked its true, but how many of there shots were from 50m? honestly if you were to say the opposition were going to hvae 10 shots at goal and all of them were from 50 or more you'd take it.

further, at least 2 of their goals came from soft soft free kicks.

so at the end of the day, the brions played out of their socks and still lost.

they will not kick 83% or whatever for the rest of the season.

should have been at least a 5 goal win...geary and milne were a bit stiff in the 4th.....

[BAM! (shhhh)]

Interesting comment for a coach to make under the circumstances.

As others observer - 9 points up 10 minutes into the 4th, you should be able to close out from there. For a Brisbane fan to be shattered about an opportunity missed, that's fine.

For their coach to do so however, when his team has been outplayed in nearly every key indicator (they won tackles, but when you lose the possession count and loose ball to that extent, it's a very small victory) BEFORE getting mown down, as a coach, I'd expect a more constructive view... because as long as we're being honest, for them to have won today would have been a very lucky win.

They happen, but they're not something a coach should pin his hopes on.

By the same token, from a Saints perspective, it's not dissimilar to what happened against the 'Dogs. 14.21 (or something like that) turned a belting into a straight win. Bad kicking is bad football, and this appears to be a weakness for the Saints.

[ace]

Toast yes, but soggy toast only. Nine points is not "put down the glasses" stuff. The bad kicking was our fault and teams rarely get compensation points from their opposition for it.

However, Black off for a few crucial minutes and Dal Santo lifting for the same few crucial minutes told the story. Coaching error? Just necessary rotations? Whatever, the story was told in these few minutes.

Voss kept Bradshaw in defence when St Kilda regained the lead in last 10 minutes.
Brisbane needed goals, Bradshaw wasn't going to kick them in defence.
That was definitely a coaching error.

[Life Long Saint]

we won everywhere around the ground except in front of goals.

THATS what cost us the game.

Didn't we win?

[Saint Bev]

What a tosser. Both sides won 2 quarters each. They only got in front for how long, 5 - 10 minutes. If our kicking hadn't off been off, it would have been a different story. Yes they gave us run for our money, but hardly had us on toast

[Mr Magic]

What a tosser. Both sides won 2 quarters each. They only got in front for how long, 5 - 10 minutes. If our kicking hadn't off been off, it would have been a different story. Yes they gave us run for our money, but hardly had us on toast

THere's been some strange comments made from Queenslanders tonight (and I'm not referring to you Saint Bev

[Milton66]

They only got in front for how long, 5 - 10 minutes.

That's all she wrote folks. Game Over. No contest.

[kosifantutti23]

For those with English as a second language...

When Voss' brother says "We had them on toast" it means that they were in a positon where they should have been able to go on to win.

It doesn't mean they were a better team or that they deserved to win just that they got to a position where they should win.

Here's the complete paragraph, he is actually very complementary of the Saints.

"But, I'm also extremely disappointed because we had them on toast and we gave a couple of opportunities there for them and they took them as good teams do, and they were able to win the game."

[Dan Warna]

we won everywhere around the ground except in front of goals.

THATS what cost us the game.

Didn't we win?

aye wrong choice of words.

basically im rapt we won, and i thought as a team we played well.

brisbane threw everything they had against us, including the kitchen sink.

i noticed every time we took a mark their player belted ours. you know if the saints retaliated they would have reversed the kick.

I loved some of the tackling we did do, they did tackle us more accordign to the stats when i got home, but i didn't really notice it in game, they did do a lot of late tackles after the ball was released i thought so maybe they counted that.

also some of the attention some of our midfielders got was definately treading a fine line.

and yet we had 10 plus more shots at goal than them and won by 3 goals.

also a lot of our goal shooting was closer in than theres.

if they are forced to shoot regularly from 50m plus, that would indicate our defence id doing a solid job.

sure we can get better and we didn't have our best game but it was a great team effort i thought.

[Saints Premiers 2008]

we won everywhere around the ground except in front of goals.

THATS what cost us the game.

Didn't we win?

aye wrong choice of words.

basically im rapt we won, and i thought as a team we played well.

brisbane threw everything they had against us, including the kitchen sink.

i noticed every time we took a mark their player belted ours. you know if the saints retaliated they would have reversed the kick.

I loved some of the tackling we did do, they did tackle us more accordign to the stats when i got home, but i didn't really notice it in game, they did do a lot of late tackles after the ball was released i thought so maybe they counted that.

also some of the attention some of our midfielders got was definately treading a fine line.

and yet we had 10 plus more shots at goal than them and won by 3 goals.

also a lot of our goal shooting was closer in than theres.

if they are forced to shoot regularly from 50m plus, that would indicate our defence id doing a solid job.

sure we can get better and we didn't have our best game but it was a great team effort i thought.

good to see you back mr warner

i don't believe the afl is against us however and would have reversed anything

we probably have become the hunted in the afl being so clear infront which we have becme minus the flag

we did well to get out of the game today as the lions played well...we could have lost but didnt

we kicked poorly...8.13 etc doesnt suggest a team that deserves to win...

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[SainterK]

Without hearing the entire press conference, I find that comment arrogant.

[Saint Bev]

All Queenslander's can be forgiven for saying stupid things when they have to put up with sub standard camera work non sensical commentary

[Mr Magic]

All Queenslander's can be forgiven for saying stupid things when they have to put up with sub standard camera work non sensical commentary

touche'

[Milton66]

thats the sort of thinking that used to make st kilda fans happy in the 80s.

we got within 3 goals of carlton....

the reality was they played their hardest best football and still came up short.

the reality was, they couldn't match our intensity in the 4th quarter

the reality was, we were fitter than them for 4 quarters

the reality was, that we won everywhere around the ground save in front of goals and still beat them by 3 goals...

Our defence leaked its true, but how many of there shots were from 50m? honestly if you were to say the opposition were going to hvae 10 shots at goal and all of them were from 50 or more you'd take it.

further, at least 2 of their goals came from soft soft free kicks.

so at the end of the day, the brions played out of their socks and still lost.

they will not kick 83% or whatever for the rest of the season.

should have been at least a 5 goal win...geary and milne were a bit stiff in the 4th.....

Milne should have given off to Kosi in the 4th, instead he missed.

[saint66au]

Toast yes, but soggy toast only. Nine points is not "put down the glasses" stuff. The bad kicking was our fault and teams rarely get compensation points from their opposition for it.

However, Black off for a few crucial minutes and Dal Santo lifting for the same few crucial minutes told the story. Coaching error? Just necessary rotations? Whatever, the story was told in these few minutes.

Voss kept Bradshaw in defence when St Kilda regained the lead in last 10 minutes.
Brisbane needed goals, Bradshaw wasn't going to kick them in defence.
That was definitely a coaching error.

Bradshaw was off injured for a fair % of that time...and moving him to defence was one of the key moves that got them back in the game. Cornelious was getting monstered by Roo (as you would in your 1st game) but looked sharp in attack

[BAM! (shhhh)]

should have been at least a 5 goal win...geary and milne were a bit stiff in the 4th.....

Milne should have given off to Kosi in the 4th, instead he missed.

Most frustrating plays (other than the Baker call) IMO:

Milne fumbling first quarter in the goalsquare, sure goal becomes a zero.
Reiwoldt's 2nd shot of the first quarter, should be goal becomes a zero.
Gilbert 2nd quarter, doesn't kick hard enough from 30m out, sure goal becomes a zero.
Dal Santo around the corner 2nd quarter, doesn't kick hard enough from 35m out, sure goal becomes a zero.
Geary running into an open goal rushes and misses from the goalsquare, sure goal becomes 1pt.

If St Kilda had lost that game, they'd have had nobody to blame but themselves. You expect mayber one of two a game (certainly the Reiwoldt one was nothing new), but 5 is just asking for the other team to beat you.

[stinger]

yep

[Milton66]

A lot of the shots looked fairly complacent and didn't make the distance. Was this pressure or something?

Even Lenny seemed to stroll in and missed. It seems that players are going the percentages when taking a shot and trying to guide the ball through, rather than kisk through it. Not sure if I just explained myself correctly.

Later in the game, he spotted a target inside 50 and drilled it with intent and pin point accuracy. And hit the target in the bread basket.