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IanRush wrote:Champion Data is owned by Simon Lethlean and Andrew Dillon at the AFL is it not? I’d be taking their data with a grain of salt! There was some kerfuffle late last year about how the AFL wanted its in-house statistical team to supply data for all 18 teams.
OK, I want less NBA style ‘zoning play’ in modern footy, where 30 blokes crowd around the ball........... and I want to go back to the more free flowing, one-on-one style of game I remember from the mid 1980s to the late 1990s, when I kicked the footy in the street with my neighbours and we used to try and torp the ball through my neighbours driveway at the end of the court bowl.ripplug66 wrote:IanRush wrote:Champion Data is owned by Simon Lethlean and Andrew Dillon at the AFL is it not? I’d be taking their data with a grain of salt! There was some kerfuffle late last year about how the AFL wanted its in-house statistical team to supply data for all 18 teams.
Please stop with this rubbish. How about giving us a football opinion for a change. CD is fantastic for stats. I just completely disagree in this case.
IanRush wrote:OK, I want less NBA style ‘zoning play’ in modern footy, where 30 blokes crowd around the ball........... and I want to go back to the more free flowing, one-on-one style of game I remember from the mid 1980s to the late 1990s, when I kicked the footy in the street with my neighbours and we used to try and torp the ball through my neighbours driveway at the end of the court bowl.ripplug66 wrote:IanRush wrote:Champion Data is owned by Simon Lethlean and Andrew Dillon at the AFL is it not? I’d be taking their data with a grain of salt! There was some kerfuffle late last year about how the AFL wanted its in-house statistical team to supply data for all 18 teams.
Please stop with this rubbish. How about giving us a football opinion for a change. CD is fantastic for stats. I just completely disagree in this case.
If St Kilda led that charge to being back old footy, I’d be most happy.
All of the teams already use champion data for stats, they are the only real option for comprehensive afl stats regardless of who they are owned by. The issues last year were around the supply of GPS data where the AFL attempted to mandate which gps data supplier the clubs should use. This would have caused massive issues for the clubs around historical data. The AFL eventually saw reason and reversed the arrangement.IanRush wrote:Champion Data is owned by Simon Lethlean and Andrew Dillon at the AFL is it not? I’d be taking their data with a grain of salt! There was some kerfuffle late last year about how the AFL wanted its in-house statistical team to supply data for all 18 teams.
It's probably more what formula are they using to devise who goes into the "elite" category. I mean Bruce kicked 50 goals in a bottom team. I think they must put a lot of emphasis on accuracy of disposal which would explain why Armo and Steven aren't included. But accurate doesn't mean incisive or damaging.The_Merchant wrote:All of the teams already use champion data for stats, they are the only real option for comprehensive afl stats regardless of who they are owned by. The issues last year were around the supply of GPS data where the AFL attempted to mandate which gps data supplier the clubs should use. This would have caused massive issues for the clubs around historical data. The AFL eventually saw reason and reversed the arrangement.IanRush wrote:Champion Data is owned by Simon Lethlean and Andrew Dillon at the AFL is it not? I’d be taking their data with a grain of salt! There was some kerfuffle late last year about how the AFL wanted its in-house statistical team to supply data for all 18 teams.
I am not sure why the owners of champion data matter when it comes to stat analysis, are you suggesting that the afl is conspiring with champion data to cook the books for some unknown reason?
Yes, also agreeVazelos wrote:Spot on plugger. You nailed what should be obvious to these 'experts.'ripplug66 wrote:spert wrote:I've been waiting for Steven to take the next step, but I don't think it's going to happen, same for Armo. We haven't really developed players that well in recent years- many seem to have the goods, but never go the next step. We seriously need elite on the midfield.
Steven has just about taken the big step. 2 B&F in his last 2 years when he was fit. I don't know what people expect. I wouldn't take notice of these champion data stats to decide. Steven looks like a ordinary kick but because we are struggling he is told to take the game on That means turnovers occasionally. With more depth in the midfield he wont be trying the improbable as much.
And this is the chicken and egg thing. Rooey isn't going to get the ball service to bump him up to elite and is the player other clubs still focus on shutting down as he can win the game off his own boot. When you have a team full of strong players they all benefit. So you take these lists with big grains of salt.magnifisaint wrote:Riewoldt not elite?
spert wrote:I think people are kidding themselves if they can't spot the difference between a very good player and an elite player. Steven and Armo are very good players for us, but no way elite.
