Dougal and Ryder Trade done.

[saintsRrising]

St Kilda receives Dougal Howard, Paddy Ryder, a first-round pick (currently No.10) and a future fourth-round selection
FROM: PORT ADELAIDE

Port Adelaide receives two first-round picks (currently No.12 and No.18) and a future third-round selection
FROM: ST KILDA

https://www.afl.com.au/news/trade/trade-tracker

Good deal for us.

[magnifisaint]

How long has Ryder got?

[saintsRrising]

How long has Ryder got?

2 year contract

[magnifisaint]

Will he last?

[B.M]

That’s a reasonable trade

As long as the Hill deal is not for 10 and next years first

[goods]

thats a v good trade. Essentially turned 6 into hill Ryder and Howard. As hill will be traded on 10.

[Secret Kiel]

How long has Ryder got?

Not sure how long it takes for him to get to Adelaide Airport but from there it's about an hour in the air and after he collects his bags at Tulla it should only take him about 45 minutes to Linton Street depending on the traffic.

[dalboy]

Good trade - so we've got 2 players and still have pick 10 plus some 3rd/4th round exchanges - not sure why PA did this deal??

[shadrock]

So how good is Dougal Howard?

[saintsRrising]

Will he last?

Dosen't really matter. .

He is steak knives and he also helped in having Hill choose us as the two cousins wanted to play together.

If he gives us one ok year that will be good

[DJ Higgins]

Port got two first round draft picks and offloaded Ryder who is passed his prime and a player they didn't have a spot for.
We got a key defender who can swing forward and ruck support. Both teams win

[saintsRrising]

So how good is Dougal Howard?

Very.

Great defensive game.

Has an offensive side unlike Brown. He is also a lot quicker than Brown.
3cm taller and so better suited for playing on Lynch etc.

Can also play forward if required, though we will lock him in as our FB where he prefers to play.


At his height he is also another option to give the No 1 ruck chop outs in the ruck if required.

[stkfc1]

Very happy with that deal. Rekon thats more in our favour than theirs. I know a lot of Power fans not happy about loosing DH so he's definitely highly rated.

[saintsRrising]

This deal will also mean no Gray. Just Butler.

[Secret Kiel]

This deal will also mean no Gray. Just Butler.

I think Butler is a better recruit over Gray.

[Stephen Theodore]

That’s a reasonable trade

As long as the Hill deal is not for 10 and next years first

Looks like 10 and a future second rounder, reckon that’s a bit more palatable

[ace]

That’s a reasonable trade

As long as the Hill deal is not for 10 and next years first

Can't happen our first rounder is SAFE.
This deal sold our 2020 3rd rounder.
That means we can still sell our 2020 2nd and 4th rounders but not our 1st rounder.

A club can sell either their future 1st rounder or any number of their later future rounders but can't do both.

Only one exception - in the case of AFL corruption.
Hawthorn and GWS did a deal for O'Meara in which Hawthorn gave GWS their future 2nd rounder after they had already traded their future 1st rounder to St Kilda.
The trade details were submitted so late that they were not viewed until after the deadline so could not be amended.

The AFL had two choices: Allow their rules to be deliberately broken OR enforce the rules and disqualify the trade - consequence would have been O'Meara out of contract, goes into the preseason draft and lands at Essendon.
Gold Coast gets absolutely no compensation for the loss of O'Meara.

Despite ACE registering a protest within the first hour into at least two newspaper comments sections, the media refused to even mention the issue themselves.
A week later in aside to another story, there was mention of an admission from the AFL that they had made a "mistake" but would take no action.
All media personalities refused to even debate the issue.
The prostitutes in the media did an excellent cover up for the corrupt AFL.

[shrodes]

So how good is Dougal Howard?

[st.byron]

That’s a reasonable trade

As long as the Hill deal is not for 10 and next years first

Looks like 10 and a future second rounder, reckon that’s a bit more palatable

Yep. A couple of reports saying that the hold up in the Hill deal is that we are unwilling to give a future first. Actually, isn’t it so that if a team gives up a future first, they aren’t allowed to give up further future picks from the same draft?

If that’s the case, our future first can’t be involved in the Hill deal, because we have dealt a future third to Port.

Ah...just spotted Ace’s post above saying the same thing.

[shrodes]

That’s a reasonable trade

As long as the Hill deal is not for 10 and next years first

Looks like 10 and a future second rounder, reckon that’s a bit more palatable

Yep. A couple of reports saying that the hold up in the Hill deal is that we are unwilling to give a future first. Actually, isn’t it so that if a team gives up a future first, they aren’t allowed to give up further future picks from the same draft?

If that’s the case, our future first can’t be involved in the Hill deal, because we have dealt a future third to Port.

I might be wrong, but I think the rule involves trading out future first rounds in consecutive years, eg. if we trade out 2020 first round, we would not be allowed to trade out 2022 first round next year.

[damienc]

Good trade - so we've got 2 players and still have pick 10 plus some 3rd/4th round exchanges - not sure why PA did this deal??

Kane Corners is doing his nut over this trade.

Says Port were crazy for letting Howard go. He is a potential star defender and this trade will come back to bite the Power.

In fact, Cornes called him a potential All Australian.

Says the St Kilda List Manager did a brilliant job.

[damienc]

That’s a reasonable trade

As long as the Hill deal is not for 10 and next years first

Looks like 10 and a future second rounder, reckon that’s a bit more palatable

Yep. A couple of reports saying that the hold up in the Hill deal is that we are unwilling to give a future first. Actually, isn’t it so that if a team gives up a future first, they aren’t allowed to give up further future picks from the same draft?

If that’s the case, our future first can’t be involved in the Hill deal, because we have dealt a future third to Port.

I might be wrong, but I think the rule involves trading out future first rounds in consecutive years, eg. if we trade out 2020 first round, we would not be allowed to trade out 2022 first round next year.

The rule says if we trade our future first rounder we can't subsequently trade any second or third round futures in 2020.

[st.byron]

That’s a reasonable trade

As long as the Hill deal is not for 10 and next years first

Looks like 10 and a future second rounder, reckon that’s a bit more palatable

Yep. A couple of reports saying that the hold up in the Hill deal is that we are unwilling to give a future first. Actually, isn’t it so that if a team gives up a future first, they aren’t allowed to give up further future picks from the same draft?

If that’s the case, our future first can’t be involved in the Hill deal, because we have dealt a future third to Port.

I might be wrong, but I think the rule involves trading out future first rounds in consecutive years, eg. if we trade out 2020 first round, we would not be allowed to trade out 2022 first round next year.

The rule says if we trade our future first rounder we can't subsequently trade any second or third round futures.

Okay so that confirms it. Our future first is safe. Heads up too in the Trade thread, Acres has flown to Perth today to meet with Freo and could form part of the Hill deal.

[longtimesaint]

That’s a reasonable trade

As long as the Hill deal is not for 10 and next years first

Looks like 10 and a future second rounder, reckon that’s a bit more palatable

Yep. A couple of reports saying that the hold up in the Hill deal is that we are unwilling to give a future first. Actually, isn’t it so that if a team gives up a future first, they aren’t allowed to give up further future picks from the same draft?

If that’s the case, our future first can’t be involved in the Hill deal, because we have dealt a future third to Port.

I might be wrong, but I think the rule involves trading out future first rounds in consecutive years, eg. if we trade out 2020 first round, we would not be allowed to trade out 2022 first round next year.

The rule says if we trade our future first rounder we can't subsequently trade any second or third round futures.

Okay so that confirms it. Our future first is safe. Heads up too in the Trade thread, Acres has flown to Perth today to meet with Freo and could form part of the Hill deal.

I thought his manager said he wanted to stay at the Saints.

[ace]

We have got
Pick 10 for 2019, worth 1,395 points
Pick 76 for 2019, presently worth 0 points
Pick 82 for 2019, presently worth 0 points
St Kilda's 2nd round for 2020
St Kilda's 4th round for 2020
Port Adelaide's 4th round for 2020

The AFL will NOT allow us to trade our 1st round for 2020

We may sell Josh Bruce to the Mongels for a pathetic pick
We may sell Jack Steven to the pussies for a pathetic pick

So mister Ding Dong what would you like for Brad Hill.

PS You can't have pick 6 and you can't have our 2020 1st round.
They are not ours to give.
So stop dreaming.