Hannebery Lycett Gaff

[MC Gusto]

Supposedly we are into these guys

Interested in thoughts on how these guys fit with our current list demographic / where we are at

Whilst I’m pleased we’re making some noise and are seemingly active I’d personally prefer we targeted players in the 21-25 age bracket

Mind you we do have a dearth of leadership in the 25+ space

Lycett would certainly mean curtains for one of hickey or longer (or both) do you think either of these two have any trade value?

Thoughts?

[suss]

Lycett is a must. We just can’t continue getting smashed in the ruck each week. He’ll play for another 5 years barring injury. No brainer.

I’d love a top shelf kid like Gaff but if we don’t get him then we need to turn our attention to some of the GWS mids next year. I think Shiel is a RFA next year ? A 25-year-old jet like Shiel or Kelly would be perfect.

I’d avoid Hannebery. We’d give up too much for a player who might be cooked. A bit old too.

If we go into 2019 with Lycett and one of Walsh, Smith or Rankine I’d be content, with to getting a gun 24-year-old next year. Maybe Lethlean come work some magic to get some 2nd round picks as well.

[St Chris]

I think we need guys who will help improve the players we already have in the 18-25 bracket - like Melbourne getting Vince and Lewis.

I think Longer and Hickey both have value, it’s just whether another club values them more than us. I know 2 things, they will both be on AFL lists next season, and we won’t have both of them if Lycett comes across.

We’re not gonna get Gaff, but if we ended the trade week with a Top 10 pick, Hannebery and Lycett, our list will be improved, no doubt.

[dragit]

Lycett is a must. We just can’t continue getting smashed in the ruck each week. He’ll play for another 5 years barring injury. No brainer.

I'm not actually sure if Lycett is a better ruckmen than either of Longer or hickey, he's certainly a better forward than both... but has barely won a hitout count in his career.

He's probably closer to what Marshall is trying to become rather than a full time ruck.

[Cairnsman]

Does anyone think we will be into Aaron Hall?

I wouldn't be too concerned if we missed out on Lycett however things start looking a little more energetic in the guts if we were to secure DH and AH.

Gaff will stay at WEs is my guess.

[degruch]

Does anyone think we will be into Aaron Hall?

Yes, I'd be looking into a deal with Hall ahead of Hanna.

[wally]

Could we get a performance/injury clause in Hanna's contract if there is doubt on his body?
Would kill us to pay out a player who cant play because he's cooked

[The_President]

Have no idea what Lycett brings to the table that we don’t have with Longer/Hickey/Marshall.

Hickey and Longer get smashed on this forum... but both of them average more hitouts this year than Lycett does. Hickey also averages more disposals with 14.5 to Lycett’s 13 (Longer averages 6.2) meanwhile big Ro has showed great potential as a ruck/forward averaging 12 disposals.

Why would we go out and spend massive overs to get a guy in who is basically at the same level as Hickey?

Seems like a very wasteful thing to do. Dare I say it, a very St.Kilda thing to do.

[stonecold]

Does anyone think we will be into Aaron Hall?

I wouldn't be too concerned if we missed out on Lycett however things start looking a little more energetic in the guts if we were to secure DH and AH.

Gaff will stay at WEs is my guess.

I think North will be where Hall lands, big $!!!!!

[stonecold]

Lycett is a must. We just can’t continue getting smashed in the ruck each week. He’ll play for another 5 years barring injury. No brainer.

I'm not actually sure if Lycett is a better ruckmen than either of Longer or hickey, he's certainly a better forward than both... but has barely won a hitout count in his career.

He's probably closer to what Marshall is trying to become rather than a full time ruck.

All jokes aside about our rucks, one of Longer or Hickey won't be there next year, probably Longer who has deals on the table from at least two other clubs, having said that, he may just walk from the game all together!!!!!

I'm not taking the piss or being a smart arse on this, so do with it what you wish!!!!!

The club would like to keep both, however it's very doubtful both will be there!!!!!

[Crossy66]

Have no idea what Lycett brings to the table that we don’t have with Longer/Hickey/Marshall.

Hickey and Longer get smashed on this forum... but both of them average more hitouts this year than Lycett does. Hickey also averages more disposals with 14.5 to Lycett’s 13 (Longer averages 6.2) meanwhile big Ro has showed great potential as a ruck/forward averaging 12 disposals.

Why would we go out and spend massive overs to get a guy in who is basically at the same level as Hickey?

Seems like a very wasteful thing to do. Dare I say it, a very St.Kilda thing to do.

+1

Our problem is not the ruck, we need quality mids and there are a number available over the next 12 months coming onto the market. I dont want to hear anything about ruckman until we pick up 2 or 3 gun mids. (unless Nic Nat, Gawn or grundy)
As mentioned, Hickey Longer both better in the ruck and Marshall will be a good forward / Ruck given opportunity.
Longer certainly has currency, Tigers enquired before taking Nankervis and apparently Geelong rate him.

I think one of Longer|Peirce|Hickey will be up for trade.
I am happy to hear Norf are into Polec and Hall as they will struggle next year when Kelly and co come on the market.

[Moods]

Lycett is a huge upgrade on both our current Rucks. He is a fwd/ruck rather than the other way around but FINALLY we would have a proper 2nd ruck option rather than the laughable proposition of using Acres or Gilbert in there, even Bruce. We would have to chose between Longer and Hickey, which in reality we are doing anyway, and the one not chosen would leave. I'm very happy for us to be targeting him. Most good rucks play into their 30's and don't develop properly until aged 27. Finally some sense from the club!

Hannebery has been a great footballer for the Swans. He is an upgrade on our inside mids IF he gets himself fit and able to get out onto the park. It's quite a big IF given his recent history. No point arguing we don't need him. Our inside mids aren't getting the job done. I would rather that our salary Cap goes twds blokes like him rather than spread around the current crop of inside mids. They need some leadership in there as well. He provides it.

Gaff is a no brainer, but I don't reckon we're even half a chance of landing him. He's exactly what we need. Youngish, good runner, good user. If he shows a flicker of interest throw the godfather offer at him!

[dragit]

Lycett is a must. We just can’t continue getting smashed in the ruck each week. He’ll play for another 5 years barring injury. No brainer.

I'm not actually sure if Lycett is a better ruckmen than either of Longer or hickey, he's certainly a better forward than both... but has barely won a hitout count in his career.

He's probably closer to what Marshall is trying to become rather than a full time ruck.

All jokes aside about our rucks, one of Longer or Hickey won't be there next year, probably Longer who has deals on the table from at least two other clubs, having said that, he may just walk from the game all together!!!!!

I'm not taking the piss or being a smart arse on this, so do with it what you wish!!!!!

The club would like to keep both, however it's very doubtful both will be there!!!!!

hmm that would be sad mate, banter aside… we want all of these guys to have long and healthy careers and lives outside of football. All the best to Billy.

[bigred]

Lycett is a huge upgrade on both our current Rucks. He is a fwd/ruck rather than the other way around but FINALLY we would have a proper 2nd ruck option rather than the laughable proposition of using Acres or Gilbert in there, even Bruce. We would have to chose between Longer and Hickey, which in reality we are doing anyway, and the one not chosen would leave. I'm very happy for us to be targeting him. Most good rucks play into their 30's and don't develop properly until aged 27. Finally some sense from the club!

Hannebery has been a great footballer for the Swans. He is an upgrade on our inside mids IF he gets himself fit and able to get out onto the park. It's quite a big IF given his recent history. No point arguing we don't need him. Our inside mids aren't getting the job done. I would rather that our salary Cap goes twds blokes like him rather than spread around the current crop of inside mids. They need some leadership in there as well. He provides it.

Gaff is a no brainer, but I don't reckon we're even half a chance of landing him. He's exactly what we need. Youngish, good runner, good user. If he shows a flicker of interest throw the godfather offer at him!

I reckon Lycett is a sidegrade.

[Crossy66]

Lycett is a huge upgrade on both our current Rucks. He is a fwd/ruck rather than the other way around but FINALLY we would have a proper 2nd ruck option rather than the laughable proposition of using Acres or Gilbert in there, even Bruce. We would have to chose between Longer and Hickey, which in reality we are doing anyway, and the one not chosen would leave. I'm very happy for us to be targeting him. Most good rucks play into their 30's and don't develop properly until aged 27. Finally some sense from the club!

Hannebery has been a great footballer for the Swans. He is an upgrade on our inside mids IF he gets himself fit and able to get out onto the park. It's quite a big IF given his recent history. No point arguing we don't need him. Our inside mids aren't getting the job done. I would rather that our salary Cap goes twds blokes like him rather than spread around the current crop of inside mids. They need some leadership in there as well. He provides it.

Gaff is a no brainer, but I don't reckon we're even half a chance of landing him. He's exactly what we need. Youngish, good runner, good user. If he shows a flicker of interest throw the godfather offer at him!

"Most good rucks play into their 30's and don't develop properly until aged 27.[/size][/size][/b]"[/size]

I agree. So why give away Longer who is 25 when, as you say he is 2 years away from developing properly? Apparently 2 other clubs rate him?
Why recruit a ruckman that stifles Marshalls opportunities?
If you were to lose a ruckman, wouldnt you lose the one no other club is interested in and is already 27?
Either way, If you only have so much to spend on a player i.e. salary cap, why not spend it on something that offers far more bang for buck such as mids like Gaff, Kelly etc etc

[Enrico_Misso]

Does anybody remember Michael "Gladys" Moncrieff?
224 games and 629 goals for Hawthorn

Then we brought him over as a mature age top-up recruit.
Did his knee pre season and never played a game.

Bit worried with his carry-over injuries that Hannebery might be our next Gladys.

[SydneySainter]

Lycett is a huge upgrade on both our current Rucks. He is a fwd/ruck rather than the other way around but FINALLY we would have a proper 2nd ruck option rather than the laughable proposition of using Acres or Gilbert in there, even Bruce. We would have to chose between Longer and Hickey, which in reality we are doing anyway, and the one not chosen would leave. I'm very happy for us to be targeting him. Most good rucks play into their 30's and don't develop properly until aged 27. Finally some sense from the club!

Hannebery has been a great footballer for the Swans. He is an upgrade on our inside mids IF he gets himself fit and able to get out onto the park. It's quite a big IF given his recent history. No point arguing we don't need him. Our inside mids aren't getting the job done. I would rather that our salary Cap goes twds blokes like him rather than spread around the current crop of inside mids. They need some leadership in there as well. He provides it.

Gaff is a no brainer, but I don't reckon we're even half a chance of landing him. He's exactly what we need. Youngish, good runner, good user. If he shows a flicker of interest throw the godfather offer at him!

"Most good rucks play into their 30's and don't develop properly until aged 27.[/size][/size][/b]"[/size]

I agree. So why give away Longer who is 25 when, as you say he is 2 years away from developing properly? Apparently 2 other clubs rate him?
Why recruit a ruckman that stifles Marshalls opportunities?
If you were to lose a ruckman, wouldnt you lose the one no other club is interested in and is already 27?
Either way, If you only have so much to spend on a player i.e. salary cap, why not spend it on something that offers far more bang for buck such as mids like Gaff, Kelly etc etc

If it was that simple, then why doesn’t every club hang on to all of their ruck stocks until the age of 27?

I also think that the interest in Longer from rival clubs is less about him being more "highly rated" than Hickey and more about the increasing likely hood that he'll be available.

Hickey, for the most part this season, has been the first ruck choice and Longer's since had a recall and it was very short-lived. That and given the age of both of our rucks, they're both at a point in their career where neither is interested in continually competing for the number one spot, especially seeing as Richo only wants to play one, so it's only logical to assume that Longer would be the more likely to leave.

If the club surprises us all and offers Longer a new deal, don't be surprised if Hickey starts getting interest for the same reasons.

[Crossy66]

Lycett is a huge upgrade on both our current Rucks. He is a fwd/ruck rather than the other way around but FINALLY we would have a proper 2nd ruck option rather than the laughable proposition of using Acres or Gilbert in there, even Bruce. We would have to chose between Longer and Hickey, which in reality we are doing anyway, and the one not chosen would leave. I'm very happy for us to be targeting him. Most good rucks play into their 30's and don't develop properly until aged 27. Finally some sense from the club!

Hannebery has been a great footballer for the Swans. He is an upgrade on our inside mids IF he gets himself fit and able to get out onto the park. It's quite a big IF given his recent history. No point arguing we don't need him. Our inside mids aren't getting the job done. I would rather that our salary Cap goes twds blokes like him rather than spread around the current crop of inside mids. They need some leadership in there as well. He provides it.

Gaff is a no brainer, but I don't reckon we're even half a chance of landing him. He's exactly what we need. Youngish, good runner, good user. If he shows a flicker of interest throw the godfather offer at him!

"Most good rucks play into their 30's and don't develop properly until aged 27.[/size][/size][/b]"[/size]

I agree. So why give away Longer who is 25 when, as you say he is 2 years away from developing properly? Apparently 2 other clubs rate him?
Why recruit a ruckman that stifles Marshalls opportunities?
If you were to lose a ruckman, wouldnt you lose the one no other club is interested in and is already 27?
Either way, If you only have so much to spend on a player i.e. salary cap, why not spend it on something that offers far more bang for buck such as mids like Gaff, Kelly etc etc

If it was that simple, then why doesn’t every club hang on to all of their ruck stocks until the age of 27?

I also think that the interest in Longer from rival clubs is less about him being more "highly rated" than Hickey and more about the increasing likely hood that he'll be available.

Hickey, for the most part this season, has been the first ruck choice and Longer's since had a recall and it was very short-lived. That and given the age of both of our rucks, they're both at a point in their career where neither is interested in continually competing for the number one spot, especially seeing as Richo only wants to play one, so it's only logical to assume that Longer would be the more likely to leave.

If the club surprises us all and offers Longer a new deal, don't be surprised if Hickey starts getting interest for the same reasons.

With your first point, perhaps the smarter thing to do would be to not recruit ruckman until they are 25 plus and after another club had put in the work.
Hickey has been the better this year, but is seen to fall short , whereas Billy probably has more upside.
Recruiting marshall as a mature aged player makes alot of sense and hopefully he develops into the main man.
But i don't think the investment in lycett will improve us as much as investing that dough into a gun mid

[Raph Goat Clarke]

A lot of people are comparing Lycett to Hickey and Longer without realising majority of the games Lycett has played 2nd ruckman to Nic Nat... While Hickey and Longer have played their games as the prime ruckman yet are averaging same whiteout numbers; that's saying something. Seems an obvious upgrade to me without giving up anything except for money, the club has to pay a minimum of 95% of the salary cap which means we can't keep saving our money forever. This means that we are going to have to pay someone, I'd prefer to pay Lycett over Hickey and Longer even if it does cost us more.

[ROLS-LEE]

Who is the better at contested Mark's
Longer
Hickey
Lycett.

If Lycett is then get rid of either Longer or Hickey

[Raph Goat Clarke]

Lycett averaging 20 hit outs as a back up compared to longer and hickeys 24 hit outs as the prime ruckman.
Billy Longer hasn't taken a contested mark this season according to AFL stats however Lycett and Hickey have the same number of contested marks at 11.

[dragit]

without realising majority of the games Lycett has played 2nd ruckman to Nic Nat... While Hickey and Longer have played their games as the prime ruckman yet are averaging same whiteout numbers

Presumably Lycett is often rucking against another part timer or tall mid at times, which actually makes his numbers very ordinary.

Hitouts to advantage %
Lycett - 24
Hickey - 34

As a tall forward in a very good team which also gets the run of the umpires… 10 goals from 19 games is just very average, no doubt Hickey would have kicked a similar amount if he was camped in the f50 most of the year.

Lycett would replace Marshall in the side, but not offer a lot more…

I think people are going to be sorely disappointed if they think getting Lycett is a major upgrade on Hickey… for 5-600 K PA that it will cost.

The only reason I would be keen is if we can turn one of our current rucks into a quality mid, via trade or decent pick.

[Joffa Burns]

A lot of people are comparing Lycett to Hickey and Longer without realising majority of the games Lycett has played 2nd ruckman to Nic Nat... While Hickey and Longer have played their games as the prime ruckman yet are averaging same whiteout numbers; that's saying something. Seems an obvious upgrade to me without giving up anything except for money, the club has to pay a minimum of 95% of the salary cap which means we can't keep saving our money forever. This means that we are going to have to pay someone, I'd prefer to pay Lycett over Hickey and Longer even if it does cost us more.

Spot on Goat, he is costing us money only as RFA.
Problem is his stocks will have risen at WCE with NN knee injury.

A Lycett/ Marshall ruck forward combo could be damaging as both can play genuine key forward unlike Hickey or Longer.

Marshall as key forward has a lot more upside than Paddy IMO and is a genuine second ruck option rather than Bruce, Gilbo, Acres, Paddy etc.

[rodgerfox]

Have no idea what Lycett brings to the table that we don’t have with Longer/Hickey/Marshall.

Hickey and Longer get smashed on this forum... but both of them average more hitouts this year than Lycett does. Hickey also averages more disposals with 14.5 to Lycett’s 13 (Longer averages 6.2) meanwhile big Ro has showed great potential as a ruck/forward averaging 12 disposals.

Why would we go out and spend massive overs to get a guy in who is basically at the same level as Hickey?

Seems like a very wasteful thing to do. Dare I say it, a very St.Kilda thing to do.

Your post is like when they say on the ads that Nutella has less sugar than jam, and less fat than peanut butter.

They fail to mention however, that it has much more fat than jam, and much more sugar than peanut butter.

[Raph Goat Clarke]

Most likely Lycett is rucking in the forward line where it is the most packed. Almost impossible to hit out to advantage with 90% of the players on the ground inside that forward 50. Comparing hitouts to advantage isn't a good comparison.