Rising Star 2011? !!

Eastern · Post: # 1118381Post **Eastern** » Wed 10 Aug 2011 4:21pm

Whist many believe that the Rising Star this year is a 2 horse race between Shuey and Heppell, where do people see our own Jack Steven? I reckon his numbers are comparable with these two but I see many of the "experts" would have these two as well as a couple of Gold Coast players ahead of him. Where do others see Jack? I see him as at least 3rd, not far behind Heppell and a bit further behind Shuey !!

plugger66 · Post: # 1118383Post **plugger66** » Wed 10 Aug 2011 4:26pm

Got Jack about 5th at the moment with Heppall, Shuey, Swallow and Darling definately ahead of him. The others close to him are Smith, Breust and Savage.

Dr Spaceman · Wed 10 Aug 2011 4:40pm

plugger66 wrote:Got Jack about 5th at the moment with Heppall, Shuey, Swallow and Darling definately ahead of him. The others close to him are Smith, Breust and Savage.

Even at 5th that's a big improvement over recent years for the club.

SainterK · Post: # 1118395Post **SainterK** » Wed 10 Aug 2011 4:41pm

Here you go Eastern, must say Shuey is impressive

Jack V Heppell

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/com ... year2=2011

Jack v Shuey

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/com ... year2=2011

stkildathunda · Wed 10 Aug 2011 4:52pm

No chance unfortunately. Might sneak into top 5 though... I have it:

Luke Shuey
Dyson Heppell
Zac Smith
Jack Darling
Jack Steven

bennymac5 · Post: # 1118455Post **bennymac5** » Wed 10 Aug 2011 6:28pm

Shuey
Heppell
Smith
Swallow
Steven
Darling

Iceman234 · Wed 10 Aug 2011 11:11pm

Can anyone be bothered doing a comparison with Jack post-nomination to the others?

Since he had his breakout game he has been outstanding.

Moods · Post: # 1118540Post **Moods** » Wed 10 Aug 2011 11:26pm

I reckon Steven has been better than Darling - who hasn't really performed for about 6-8 weeks. I know I had to sack him from my SC team

Last week against the tiges he went very well though.

Richter · Post: # 1118566Post **Richter** » Thu 11 Aug 2011 2:01am

stkildathunda wrote:No chance unfortunately. Might sneak into top 5 though... I have it:

Luke Shuey
Dyson Heppell
Zac Smith
Jack Darling
Jack Steven

These players picked up at draft selection

18
8
-
26
42

I guess that tells you that our recruiters are pretty bang on.

Con Gorozidis · Thu 11 Aug 2011 3:55am

strange logic richter. it acyually shows our recruiters were dart throwers.
but i wont be bothered explaining why. this thread is about the man jack.

he wont win it - i think afl marketing people will be rooting hard for zac smith (queenslander etc etc).

but in terms of big picture impact jack has been the man. not sure if its chicken or egg. but from where i sit - he turned the saints around and brought us back to life. so well done jack. massive credit.

saintdooley · Thu 11 Aug 2011 4:30am

maybe i am just being bias seeing as i know the guy...but what about Gaff???

Liam_G · Post: # 1118584Post **Liam_G** » Thu 11 Aug 2011 9:13am

saintdooley wrote:maybe i am just being bias seeing as i know the guy...but what about Gaff???

Not a chance, and not above Jack Steven. He has had an impressive past month but really, he has played 10 matches, with nothing between Rounds 8 and 17, and has been the sub in at least 5 of those matches. He has pulled over 20 disposals only three times, all since his return to the team in Round 17. Recent form has been impressive, that's for sure, but nowhere near enough to be ranked Top 5 over the season compared to the other names in this thread.

stkildathunda · Thu 11 Aug 2011 9:26am

Moods wrote:I reckon Steven has been better than Darling - who hasn't really performed for about 6-8 weeks. I know I had to sack him from my SC team

Last week against the tiges he went very well though.

Darling did way more then Steven in first 10 weeks, i remember cos i had him in my supercoach team

IluvHarvey · Thu 11 Aug 2011 4:09pm

What about Allen Christiansen(?) not saying he should win it or anything but he looks a good pick up and has had a pretty good year!

SainterK · Post: # 1132893Post **SainterK** » Wed 07 Sep 2011 1:29pm

Come on Jack

http://yfrog.com/h7tssltj

jonesy · Post: # 1132895Post **jonesy** » Wed 07 Sep 2011 1:35pm

It's ridiculous that Steven and Shuey are eligible to win this award. They have been in the system for three seasons,against kids in there first.

Should be a first year player award only

SainterK · Post: # 1132898Post **SainterK** » Wed 07 Sep 2011 1:42pm

jonesy wrote:It's ridiculous that Steven and Shuey are eligible to win this award. They have been in the system for three seasons,against kids in there first.

Should be a first year player award only

Completely disagree.

I hope Shuey isn't overlooked because he was cruelled with injury early in his career.

Steven likewise, battled OP for much of last year, and still doesn't manage a huge amount of TOG.

It's 'rising star' not 'rising first year player'

jonesy · Post: # 1132899Post **jonesy** » Wed 07 Sep 2011 1:46pm

SainterK wrote:
jonesy wrote:It's ridiculous that Steven and Shuey are eligible to win this award. They have been in the system for three seasons,against kids in there first.

Should be a first year player award only
Completely disagree.

I hope Shuey isn't overlooked because he was cruelled with injury early in his career.

Steven likewise, battled OP for much of last year, and still doesn't manage a huge amount of TOG.

It's 'rising star' not 'rising first year player'

Yeah dunno. Just because there bodies weren't up to it in the first two seasons doesn't mean they should get special consideration. They have three pre seasons under there belt,whilst the likes of Heppell have only one.

Whilst I think it should be a first year player award,this year I think it's a bit of a joke and huge Vic bias shining through if Shuey doesn't win it just the same. He has clearly been the best all year

SainterK · Post: # 1132900Post **SainterK** » Wed 07 Sep 2011 1:49pm

jonesy wrote:
SainterK wrote:
jonesy wrote:It's ridiculous that Steven and Shuey are eligible to win this award. They have been in the system for three seasons,against kids in there first.

Should be a first year player award only
Completely disagree.

I hope Shuey isn't overlooked because he was cruelled with injury early in his career.

Steven likewise, battled OP for much of last year, and still doesn't manage a huge amount of TOG.

It's 'rising star' not 'rising first year player'
They have three pre seasons under there belt,whilst the likes of Heppell have only one.

Maybe, maybe not.

SainterK · Post: # 1132907Post **SainterK** » Wed 07 Sep 2011 2:03pm

Wow, can I say what a story Shuey is, overcome so much....body and soul.

saintbrat · Post: # 1132917Post **saintbrat** » Wed 07 Sep 2011 2:24pm

anyone listening online, SEN
did they speak to Jack?

saintbrat · Post: # 1132937Post **saintbrat** » Wed 07 Sep 2011 3:30pm

Heppell Wins

will be interesting to see the votes.

Thinline · Post: # 1132938Post **Thinline** » Wed 07 Sep 2011 3:32pm

saintbrat wrote:Heppell Wins

will be interesting to see the votes.

f*** that.

Shuey, Smith Z or McKenzie T (the latter relative stars in a poor side) were in my view significantly better performed.

Besides I don't cope well with Essendon winning anything.

Armoooo · Post: # 1132939Post **Armoooo** » Wed 07 Sep 2011 3:33pm

Steven just got the one vote...

Heppell 44 votes, Shuey 37, Smith 21, Swallow 18, Darling 6, Reid 5, Gaff, McKenzie, Steven, Menzel all 1.

St Chris · Post: # 1132946Post **St Chris** » Wed 07 Sep 2011 3:51pm

Armoooo wrote:Steven just got the one vote...
Heppell 44 votes, Shuey 37, Smith 21, Swallow 18, Darling 6, Reid 5, Gaff, McKenzie, Steven, Menzel all 1.

Whoever voted for Andrew Gaff should be removed from next year's voting panel.

He played maybe 3 above average games all year, and missed probably 10 weeks of the year.