Dempster, Blake, Gram, Peake, Baker, Gamble have to go

[barks4eva]

Drop all of them

first cab Dempster

fumbles, does nothing except turns it over

two turn over last quarter goals directly attributable to Dempster

waste of time, waste of space

as is the others mentioned

WE NEED PACE

WE NEED KIDS

WE NEED SOME NEW ENERGY

Play

Steven, Cripps, Crocker, Ledger, Stanley, Winmar

and drop the guys who are now holding us back

we will not challenge anyone at the business end unless we make the tough decisions NOW

our only chance even if it's a small one

tonight's game was shambolic, cannot remember seeing so many stupid mistakes in one game

the ball transition is pedestrian

the kicking for goal is pathetic

the skills and decision making are woeful

Blake and Baker have been wonderful servants but they are now holding us back

their places in the team should be given to kids

Gram is a show pony

does not win a hard ball and his skills and decision making are abysmal

Peake is just a waste of space which would be better utilised with his place in the team given to a kid with leg speed and skill

Gamble adds nothing, does not much, waste of time

Dempster is an absolute DUD and cost us with his piss poor foot skill errors, not too mention two last quarter goals resulting from him missing basic targets, turning it over just when we looked like we were going to run over them

If Dempster isn't dropped next week it would be a huge monumental mistake

a total liability

hopefully Lyon has now woken up to what was obvious even before round one

[BigMart]

This has been posted....before tonight, and met with vitriol.....wonder whether we will see some changing of minds......

[degruch]

Steven, Cripps, Crocker, Ledger, Stanley, Winmar

...Heyne, Archer, Lynch, Johnson, Crocker...throw 'em all in this week, they'll tear Essendon a new one!

I agree with you re: Dempster though...surely has to go this week.

[Teflon]

Agree Bakes.

But may I suggest next week Armo will be dropped (played to well) and Mqualter bought back in for "refreshinmg zip"

The names u mention are spot on. Lyon will slightly tinker, maybe play 1kid and call it an overhaul.

[barks4eva]

This has been posted....before tonight, and met with vitriol.....wonder whether we will see some changing of minds......

AND I agree with you on every point you've made previously on this issue

especially regarding Collingwood turning things around from their round three defeat last year, BY PLAYING KIDS and dropping long serving players who's time had come and gone

point well made and on the money

[saintbob]

Can someone tell me who Dempster and Bakers opponents were tonight and what influence they had???

[Sam23]

Isn't Crocker playing Sandy reserves tomorrow?

Not sure he is up to AFL level if he is playing VFL reserves...

[Sam23]

Can someone tell me who Dempster and Bakers opponents were tonight and what influence they had???

Baker played on Nahas for much of the game who had 16 disposals.

[degruch]

Can someone tell me who Dempster and Bakers opponents were tonight and what influence they had???

Baker played on Nahas for much of the game who had 16 disposals.

Baker...only 7 possies, but 6 very telling tackles.

[Sam23]

I'd be surprised if Baker lost his spot.

Certainly won't be opposed to seeing Peake, Dempster, Jones (if he starts as a sub, is he not our #1 tagger any more? if not, he has nothing else to really add) and perhaps Blake dropping out of the side over the next couple weeks.

[QuestionOfAccuracy]

I don't think you can totally dismiss Gamble after two games. I think him and Riewoldt are suffering from how slowly the ball is coming into the forward 50 and how sloppily it's being delivered.

[BigMart]

Nahas is a good vfl player......has the odd good qtr in the afl, but really is pretty average....

Dempster actually hurt us, when he got a rare touch tonight.....he was woeful

[degruch]

I'd be surprised if Baker lost his spot.

Certainly won't be opposed to seeing Peake, Dempster, Jones (if he starts as a sub, is he not our #1 tagger any more? if not, he has nothing else to really add) and perhaps Blake dropping out of the side over the next couple weeks.

I reckon Bakes was good, but struggle to think who he'll match up on next week. I'm thinking Geary playing off someone in defence would be better. But FFS, Dempster must go.

Jones was listed in our best. Peake was serviceable, need his run next week.

[Sainternist]

Time for Ross to let go of his fatherly love for Dempster. Sean is just not good enough.

Barks, fair point with Gram. They should drop him and make him bloody well earn his sport back into to the side.

I'm tired of these players who seem to take their spots for granted.

The team needs to start giving some of these players who aren't pulling their weight an ultimatum.

[Dan Warna]

dumpster set up 3 to 4 goals for richmond, clearly their best midfielder...

[SainterK]

I don't think you can totally dismiss Gamble after two games. I think him and Riewoldt are suffering from how slowly the ball is coming into the forward 50 and how sloppily it's being delivered.

I thought that period when we had Roo and Gilbert forward, Gamble looked better?

Maybe my imagination, and fantasy land again?

[Sam23]

I'd be surprised if Baker lost his spot.

Certainly won't be opposed to seeing Peake, Dempster, Jones (if he starts as a sub, is he not our #1 tagger any more? if not, he has nothing else to really add) and perhaps Blake dropping out of the side over the next couple weeks.

I reckon Bakes was good, but struggle to think who he'll match up on next week. I'm thinking Geary playing off someone in defence would be better. But FFS, Dempster must go.

Jones was listed in our best. Peake was serviceable, need his run next week.

Jones was listed in our best? Surely not.

6 touches as the sub in a quarter in half of football. He was OK one he came on, but one of our best? Surely not.

I think Peake's bad kicking makes his run irrelevant.

Dempster cost us a number of goals with terrible kicking tonight, i've seen enough of him to know, he is not going to step up.

[degruch]

I'd be surprised if Baker lost his spot.

Certainly won't be opposed to seeing Peake, Dempster, Jones (if he starts as a sub, is he not our #1 tagger any more? if not, he has nothing else to really add) and perhaps Blake dropping out of the side over the next couple weeks.

I reckon Bakes was good, but struggle to think who he'll match up on next week. I'm thinking Geary playing off someone in defence would be better. But FFS, Dempster must go.

Jones was listed in our best. Peake was serviceable, need his run next week.

Jones was listed in our best? Surely not.

6 touches as the sub in a quarter in half of football. He was OK one he came on, but one of our best? Surely not.

I think Peake's bad kicking makes his run irrelevant.

Dempster cost us a number of goals with terrible kicking tonight, i've seen enough of him to know, he is not going to step up.

From the AFL website:

BEST
St Kilda: Milne, Armitage, Montagna, Dal Santo, Fisher, Jones
Richmond: Deledio, Cotchin, Martin, Newman, Grigg, King

Certainly didn't stand out as terrible, or Peake. Dempster, yes.

[python]

What have we got to lose from playing a young kid over someone like Dempster? Surely at the very worst they will only match Dempster's performance tonight, and if they're good enough, they can cement a spot in our 22 and improve the team as a whole. Based off tonight, Dempster and Peake should be out immediately, they were constantly second to the ball, and whenever they got it, they turned it over.

[Sam23]

WOW I am gobsmacked that a guy comes on, plays 34 minutes, has 6 touches, none of them all that great - is named in our best???

Surely the AFL has made a mistake here.

[SainterK]

Pretty sad for Dempster, he was awful tonight, he tries hard...but it's just not working for him.

His spoiling is good, his attack on the ball good, postioning good.

His kicking was just terrible though.

Dunno.

Nobody on the scrap heap though, not yet.

[degruch]

WOW I am gobsmacked that a guy comes on, plays 34 minutes, has 6 touches, none of them all that great - is named in our best???

Surely the AFL has made a mistake here.

Maybe...there's a lot of guys I'd put in front of him personally, but he certainly wasn't bad.

[BigMart]

Maybe they added jones to the player he subbed for.....if not, there on drugs....


Why did he not quickly snap at goal with 10 seconds to go???

[saintbob]

Baker will take Lonergan next week and Dempster will have a job on the on ballers when they go forward.

Blake may make an ideal sub, while I reckon Gamble will get a few more opportunities yet.

Gram and Peake will get dropped because their butchering of the ball and their lack of accountabliity will finally catch up with them!!!

[degruch]

Baker will take Lonergan next week and Dempster will have a job on the on ballers when they go forward.

Blake may make an ideal sub, while I reckon Gamble will get a few more opportunities yet.

Gram and Peake will get dropped because their butchering of the ball and their lack of accountabliity will finally catch up with them!!!

Maybe so, but Jones or (more likely) Geary could have a shot at Dempster's role in that case. Gram and Peake, I'm not sure we can afford to drop them...who do you replace them with? Eddy?? Mini???

I can see a noob getting a shot, but only if they can be covered. The only thing we still have in our favour against Essendon is experience, I can't see RL throwing that advantage.