IN: Raph OUT: Gram

saint66au · Post: # 743379Post **saint66au** » Fri 22 May 2009 6:21pm

Just announced on the Saints Facebook page

saint patrick · Fri 22 May 2009 6:23pm

Sensible..bring similar things to the team...just keep Raph our goal side of the wing and I will be happier...good luck Raph..run baby run

sainters man · Fri 22 May 2009 6:29pm

it said on the facebook page gram (omitted)...strange

thirty-seven!? · Fri 22 May 2009 6:31pm

sainters man wrote:it said on the facebook page gram (omitted)...strange

After the talk/rumors this week, that surely must be a mistake!! I guess just wait till the AFL announces the teams officially - it would say then

Iceman234 · Post: # 743387Post **Iceman234** » Fri 22 May 2009 6:32pm

Omitted due to injury???

bigcarl · Post: # 743389Post **bigcarl** » Fri 22 May 2009 6:35pm

couldn't run more than one lap at training the other day i heard. surely he's injured.

good to see raph back in. was a walk-up start before injury.

eddy is a bit stiff as he's done nothing really wrong, but injuries being what they are he'll get his chance before too long.

Milton66 · Post: # 743392Post **Milton66** » Fri 22 May 2009 6:39pm

No surprises there.

Swap like for like.

Max back next week?

This in itself is a highlight of the year. Arguing about who to bring in and not who to drop.

Priceless!

thirty-seven!? · Fri 22 May 2009 6:42pm

thirty-seven!? wrote:
sainters man wrote:it said on the facebook page gram (omitted)...strange
After the talk/rumors this week, that surely must be a mistake!! I guess just wait till the AFL announces the teams officially - it would say then

Yep, AFL.com teams are through, and they list Gram as out with (thigh)!

Miles is now the 3rd emergency!

3rd generation saint · Fri 22 May 2009 8:28pm

Good to see Raph back, if he turns in a blinder, who does Gram replace to get back in?

jackal · Post: # 743430Post **jackal** » Fri 22 May 2009 8:33pm

3rd generation saint wrote:Good to see Raph back, if he turns in a blinder, who does Gram replace to get back in?

He doesn't get back in the team if the above occurs and we play well. Mini, or Geary would have to be ordinary and I like the way they have been playing so have to keep rewarding the performing incumbant

Saints Premiers 2008 · Fri 22 May 2009 10:14pm

gram has been below average all season and hopefully his injury break/non-selection will help him either get over what is troubling him (if anything) or it will display that he hasnt been travelling

he might like running with the footy and bouncing but his kicking is generally awful

Finna · Post: # 743471Post **Finna** » Fri 22 May 2009 10:54pm

The best part about this is that Raph knows that if he doesn't play a good game that he'll be out again next week! Really keeps these guys on their toes. He was a walk up start at the beginning of the year.

Bernard Shakey · Fri 22 May 2009 11:14pm

Raph will be in unless he gets injured.

The beauty of the way Ross has managed the team this year is that they know what is expected and they know they are in each week until the matchups just don't matchup or they get injured.

Teflon · Post: # 743484Post **Teflon** » Fri 22 May 2009 11:34pm

geez..some decent sized avatars here...

IF Raph plays well AND APPLIES A TACKLE THAT STICKS then Gram may find it hard to walk back in....IMHO Gram - from a defensive aspect - is the weakest link in our side. No doubt hes a run and bounce guy and thats great - but his kicking aint been great this year and one on one his defensive efforts for mine are below par.

Bernard Shakey · Fri 22 May 2009 11:48pm

Just worked out how to use avatars. A little bit of tweeking was required.

bigcarl · Post: # 743610Post **bigcarl** » Sat 23 May 2009 1:29am

Teflon wrote:IMHO Gram - from a defensive aspect - is the weakest link in our side.

.... or our most damaging risk-taker and play-maker.

i know what you are saying, but they can't all be specialist lockdown artists and nor would you want them to be.

it takes all types ... negating and attacking ... and gram's been very important to us this season as the player who statistically has taken us inside 50 more than any other.

it's a question of balance between defence and attack and so far this season we've had it pretty much right.

Quixote · Post: # 743630Post **Quixote** » Sat 23 May 2009 3:04am

Jason Gram has the most Inside 50's of ANY PLAYER IN THE COMPETITION THIS YEAR.

Can some of you Please get a grip (on something other than your...)??

He comes STRAIGHT back in. With his speed, attacking nature and the fact he is our official link man - Top 10 player.

MC Gusto · Post: # 743645Post **MC Gusto** » Sat 23 May 2009 10:34am

[quote="Quixote"]Jason Gram has the most Inside 50's of ANY PLAYER IN THE COMPETITION THIS YEAR.

Can some of you Please get a grip (on something other than your...)??

He comes STRAIGHT back in. With his speed, attacking nature and the fact he is our official link man - Top 10 player.[/quote

agreed

Saints Premiers 2008 · Sat 23 May 2009 10:40am

Quixote wrote:Jason Gram has the most Inside 50's of ANY PLAYER IN THE COMPETITION THIS YEAR.

Can some of you Please get a grip (on something other than your...)??

He comes STRAIGHT back in. With his speed, attacking nature and the fact he is our official link man - Top 10 player.

it is just a stat...we could be much mroe effective if he cleaned up his kicking or better yet another player played in his position/role that could deliver...then they would be leading the comp forinside 50's

if you base someone's performance on meaningless stats its like saying daniel cross is a good player because he leads the handballs

bigcarl · Post: # 743647Post **bigcarl** » Sat 23 May 2009 10:42am

Saints Premiers 2008 wrote:
Quixote wrote:Jason Gram has the most Inside 50's of ANY PLAYER IN THE COMPETITION THIS YEAR.

Can some of you Please get a grip (on something other than your...)??

He comes STRAIGHT back in. With his speed, attacking nature and the fact he is our official link man - Top 10 player.
it is just a stat...we could be much mroe effective if he cleaned up his kicking or better yet another player played in his position/role that could deliver...then they would be leading the comp forinside 50's

if you base someone's performance on meaningless stats its like saying daniel cross is a good player because he leads the handballs

his kicking is not the best at times but imo the good far outweighs the evil in his game. i agree with quixote ... in the first 10 picked and i'd be surprised if the club sees it differently.

QuestionOfAccuracy · Sat 23 May 2009 10:44am

3rd generation saint wrote:Good to see Raph back, if he turns in a blinder, who does Gram replace to get back in?

Raph, Geary or Mini depending on what kind of balance the coaches want. Raph's extra height i think is what got him a spot for tomorrow over Eddy...his extra height will come in handy against Brown & Bradshaw.

Saints Premiers 2008 · Sat 23 May 2009 10:53am

bigcarl wrote:
Saints Premiers 2008 wrote:
Quixote wrote:Jason Gram has the most Inside 50's of ANY PLAYER IN THE COMPETITION THIS YEAR.

Can some of you Please get a grip (on something other than your...)??

He comes STRAIGHT back in. With his speed, attacking nature and the fact he is our official link man - Top 10 player.
it is just a stat...we could be much mroe effective if he cleaned up his kicking or better yet another player played in his position/role that could deliver...then they would be leading the comp forinside 50's

if you base someone's performance on meaningless stats its like saying daniel cross is a good player because he leads the handballs
his kicking is not the best at times but imo the good far outweighs the evil in his game. i agree with quixote ... in the first 10 picked and i'd be surprised if the club sees it differently.

no chance in hell he is in the first ten, if he is in your first ten then geary, gwilt and mini are

and of course the good far outweighs the evil, he is a saints player and we have been believing in what if's for ages now

bigcarl · Post: # 743653Post **bigcarl** » Sat 23 May 2009 10:59am

Saints Premiers 2008 wrote:no chance in hell he is in the first ten, if he is in your first ten then geary, gwilt and mini are

none of the above are, though geary could be one day.

anyway, before slagging gram off let's see how we go tomorrow without his dash and daring.

raph is a good like-for-like replacement and we have others who can play that role, but none are as fast and damaging as grammy.

aussiejones · Sat 23 May 2009 11:03am

Gram is a v good player. Why start bagging him ?

All players have weaknesses

Saints Premiers 2008 · Sat 23 May 2009 11:33am

bigcarl wrote:
Saints Premiers 2008 wrote:no chance in hell he is in the first ten, if he is in your first ten then geary, gwilt and mini are
none of the above are, though geary could be one day.

anyway, before slagging gram off let's see how we go tomorrow without his dash and daring.

raph is a good like-for-like replacement and we have others who can play that role, but none are as fast and damaging as grammy.

and we will be fine and won't miss gram as our running backs are great kicks apart from him, so our a few of our mids (the right ones)

i'm not slagging off gram, just pointing our a glaring problem in his game that isn't getting the attention it would as we have been winning

harley will have a field day cutting off gram's long helicopters when we play geelong

but thats ok, as long as he leads the league in inside 50's...mostly leading to a thrown in at best