What Geelong have shown us

[skeptic]

All you need is 1 new player to step up

a stable starting 22

a little bit of luck

and you're a shoe'in for the premiership

[Dan Warna]

concur

the team list is not significantly different in age or experience to the team we defeated in 06.

what are the differences?

well they acknowledge they have modified their game plan, they have more experience, they have more confidence, and they are fitter.

with the exception of sewell and bartel being fit and available as well as nathan ablett, they are pretty much the same side we mauled last yaer.

getting a swag of wunderbar new players wasn't the difference, it was their attitude, drilling, confidence etc...

[JeffDunne]

What they've shown is you hold your nerve and bring in support rather than looking for scapegoats.

[rodgerfox]

What they've shown is you hold your nerve and bring in support rather than looking for scapegoats.

Bingo.

Although Port and Sydney already showed that.

And even Essendon before them back in 1999.

[spert]

Geelong have been able to build around a core of experienced, strong bodied players like Ling, Chapman, Corey, Scarlett etc -all been able to stay on the field through most of a season for a few years. No doubt Geelong have had luck on their side on the injury front. In contrast, we have had players come and go with recurring injury problems and that doesn't help consistancy, plus too many players with skill are up and down in form like yo-yo's. I think you will find Geelong players put in a reasonable consistant level of performance most games.

[savatage]

What they have showed us is how important it is to have fathers that have played 100 or more games for the club. A "region" like Geelong is a lot easier to hang onto & raise footballing prospects too.

They've had more "concessions" than any other club. We had Sierakowski in 1993 I believe as our last player. A quarter of the Cat starting 18 or thereabouts are F&S.

[saintly]

What they've shown is you hold your nerve and bring in support rather than looking for scapegoats.

however, GT did not want support. the saints tried to get in a football manager and GT did not want that. They tried to take away control of contracts and GT did not want that.

So what was supposed to happen.

[JeffDunne]

GT didn't want that?

Why was even asked?

FWIW, I'm pretty sure the decision to appoint Ken Sheldon was made BEFORE GT was sacked

I'm pretty sure Geelong & Thompson had problems with fitness personnel too (before we start pushing that barrow)

[Dan Warna]

who cares about GT

its what RL can achieve with this list.

as for the cats, they have had some great F/S but they haven't had any pick 1s and 2s that I can remember.

[rodgerfox]

What they've shown is you hold your nerve and bring in support rather than looking for scapegoats.

however, GT did not want support. the saints tried to get in a football manager and GT did not want that. They tried to take away control of contracts and GT did not want that.

So what was supposed to happen.

What GT wanted is irrelevant - or at least should have been.

I don't think Mark Thompson wanted what happened at Geelong in the off-season.

[barneyboyz]

What they've shown is you hold your nerve and bring in support rather than looking for scapegoats.

however, GT did not want support. the saints tried to get in a football manager and GT did not want that. They tried to take away control of contracts and GT did not want that.

So what was supposed to happen.

Bingo !! (again) (sorry R F), now this aint going to get us anywhere

[kaos theory]

JeffDunne wrote:
What they've shown is you hold your nerve and bring in support rather than looking for scapegoats.


Bingo.

Although Port and Sydney already showed that.

And even Essendon before them back in 1999

Garbage as usual form Roger

They under went a major change to their football operations....something GT was not prepared to do. He felt he knew it all and could run it all....

Our club was already heading backwards, and if he had still been in control, the fundamentals would not have been addressed, and we would be in a worse state than we are now.

Also, how can you possibly compare how Port's Football operations are run compared to ours under GT.....How many quailty players has GT brought forward since 04-05, when the high picks ran out?

[saintsRrising]

All you need is 1 new player to step up

a stable starting 22

a little bit of luck

and you're a shoe'in for the premiership

Yes but also how about a bit more credit for where credit is due...

1/ That they have turned around some good but flighty players such as Mooney....who is Mr Consistent & application this year

and Johnson. At the Saints we shoowe such players the door.

2/ That they had traded for a good player in Ottens to address a key weekness who needed his confidence built (we now seem to be doing this with Fiora)

3/ DEMANDING more out of their players...and making the best use of their talents. Ie Gazza being switched to the midfield.....

Now a bit of luck with Selwod...but then not luck as you have tp pick the player. But with Selwood emerging and Gazza in the midfield ling was able to be turned intoa midfield tag that won plenty of his own ball.

4/ Not taking no for an aswer

= Their coach being told football Department was being restructured whether he liked it not...and Balme hired with Thommo told about it afterwards. Thommo was freed up to bea 100% coach with more support.


=pursuing Nathan ablett...till he cam on board (which was done by convincing him that he could then buy his mum a house...)






So the Cats are flying......

It was said for years that IF only they had some big forwards that theyt would bea better team. Well with improving Mooney, aquiring Ottens and N Ablet they fixed that measure....and improved their midfield too.



Yes had some luck with some fantastic father sons......but they have adressed their weaknesses.

[rodgerfox]

They under went a major change to their football operations....something GT was not prepared to do. He felt he knew it all and could run it all....

As I said above, why is what GT wanted even relevant - the Board makes the call and signs off on it.

Our club was already heading backwards, and if he had still been in control, the fundamentals would not have been addressed, and we would be in a worse state than we are now.

Was it? 14 wins followed by 14 wins. Hardly a huge decline.

Also, how can you possibly compare how Port's Football operations are run compared to ours under GT.....How many quailty players has GT brought forward since 04-05, when the high picks ran out?

Who's compared how Port's Football operations are run compared to ours under GT?

Not I.

[JeffDunne]

Port have had a huge turnover of staff under Williams - especially assistants.

[st_Trav_ofWA]

seriously how long are we going to flogg this same old dead horse ?????
FFS
Geelong are doing very well this year cause the effort the players are showing and a good run with injurys
st kilda missed the finals cause of the effort our players showed and injurys to key players ..... RB GT had SFA to do with it and GT has SFA to do with st kilda rightfully or wrongfully who cares hes gone move on

[saintsRrising]

Port have had a huge turnover of staff under Williams - especially assistants.

Yes two have become AFL head coaches.

Another heads up the Hawks recuiting.

[Superboot]

Most of those Geelong players who gave North a shelacking have got kicking and hand passing skills that some of our blokes can only dream about.

I haven't seen any team play like that since the first half of 2004.

[rodgerfox]

Geelong are doing very well this year cause the effort the players are showing and a good run with injurys

Bingo.

[perfectionist]

No doubt about the skills of the Geelong players - on both sides of their bodies. We don't seem to have had a skills coach for quite a while. However, as others have said the core Geelong group is no different to that beaten by us repeatedly when we had our best team. But that team is now a thing of the past - no Penny, the only top quality backman we've had in the last thirty years, no Hamill, the difference between us and Geelong in at last two of those wins and no Aussie Jones who had skills on both sides (although he used the left too often when the right was available just to show off) and knew how to use them. Compare the backline today - without Goddard - no-one can kick on both sides let alone handpass both sides.

Our time has past, for at least four of five years; that's the reality. We might as well not win a game for three years and pick up some good players to add to Riewoldt, Hayes, Ball (although he's probably finished), Kosi and Dal Santo who will be at their prime in a few years time.

[st_Trav_ofWA]

No doubt about the skills of the Geelong players - on both sides of their bodies. We don't seem to have had a skills coach for quite a while. However, as others have said the core Geelong group is no different to that beaten by us repeatedly when we had our best team. But that team is now a thing of the past - no Penny, the only top quality backman we've had in the last thirty years, no Hamill, the difference between us and Geelong in at last two of those wins and no Aussie Jones who had skills on both sides (although he used the left too often when the right was available just to show off) and knew how to use them. Compare the backline today - without Goddard - no-one can kick on both sides let alone handpass both sides.

Our time has past, for at least four of five years; that's the reality. We might as well not win a game for three years and pick up some good players to add to Riewoldt, Hayes, Ball (although he's probably finished), Kosi and Dal Santo who will be at their prime in a few years time.

geeze bit harsh on Frawly , Barker , Maxy

*sniff sniff* have you been living under a bridge ??

[gosaints]

What Geelong have shown is how important a good pre-season is.
They are fit, strong and their ball use has improved out of sight.

Also, they have been able to keep that backline together and fit for most of the season... obviously Egan is hurt now but as a group they are the best in the comp by a long way. So hard to score against.
Hunt, Scarlett, Harley, Wojcinski, Egan, Milburn.
Then they have blokes like Mackie, Rooke and Corey who can play down there also...
We really need some depth in our backline.

[saintsRrising]

So summarise all of the above....IF you do all your football things well, draft and trade well, work on your weaknesses and improve your skills, play tough committed footbal with asolid backline and good forwards talls anda good midfield group.......and have the injury god smile on you you have a good chance of success.

[rodgerfox]

So summarise all of the above....IF you do all your football things well, draft and trade well, work on your weaknesses and improve your skills, play tough committed footbal with asolid backline and good forwards talls anda good midfield group.......and have the injury god smile on you you have a good chance of success.

Genius.

[stinger]

No doubt about the skills of the Geelong players - on both sides of their bodies. We don't seem to have had a skills coach for quite a while. However, as others have said the core Geelong group is no different to that beaten by us repeatedly when we had our best team. But that team is now a thing of the past - no Penny, the only top quality backman we've had in the last thirty years, no Hamill, the difference between us and Geelong in at last two of those wins and no Aussie Jones who had skills on both sides (although he used the left too often when the right was available just to show off) and knew how to use them. Compare the backline today - without Goddard - no-one can kick on both sides let alone handpass both sides.

Our time has past, for at least four of five years; that's the reality. We might as well not win a game for three years and pick up some good players to add to Riewoldt, Hayes, Ball (although he's probably finished), Kosi and Dal Santo who will be at their prime in a few years time.

geeze bit harsh on Frawly , Barker , Maxy

*sniff sniff* have you been living under a bridge ??

you can smell them can't you...????..they have a distinct aroma.......a bit like sh!t and sweat mixed together......