Jack Hayes

[B.M]

Injury - has really hurts us this year!

Not because he’s a great player, far from it, but what he’d do structurally for the team.

Allow Owens to play forward/mid, allow Caminiti to develop at Sandy, chop out Marshall in ruck.

He’s an experienced footballer, he’s a big body, he is a contest in front of the ball.

Basically, Hayes and Membrey have not played!

It has given opportunities to some kids, but the experience forward of the ball has been missed!

We are the second lowest ranked team for i50 efficiency

[Otiman]

Agreed. His role is the one Owens has been playing all year.

Also he is a natural leader and commands huge respect from his peers. Works his arse off.

Unfortunately, too late for him to hit fitness and form to play (edit: any more than) the last 4 rounds.

Also will be 28 next year. Hopefully can impact the club with a 50+ game career.

[Impatient Sainter]

Agree BM I think we all forget how well he was going before doing his ACL. He and a fit Membrey would make a big difference to our forward line entries. I do wonder if we will ever see Membrey back again given his knee issue? Just allowing Owens to play solely forward/midfield may have helped our struggling midifield. But again Owens is more a bash and crash style and doesnt have the inside outside speed we desparately need.

I have been on this horse for some weeks, but I wonder why RTB wont try Stocker through the midfield? To me he is exactly the player we have been craving, he plays with an edge and has a burst when required.

[CURLY]

Our forward line for majority of the year has had three Under 19 footballers in it.

Hayes is a massive out for us.

[1971]

A very unlucky player. Needs an even break. I think defenders would be a little more wary with him around.

[meher baba]

Hayes performed quite creditably in the 4 and a bit games he played for us.

But, since he got injured, he’s clearly developed into a superstar.

If he ever regains full fitness, people should prepare to be a little disappointed. He’s not another Paddy Ryder.

[B.M]

Not sure anyone suggested that?

Read the OP carefully

[skeptic]

He does fit into that category of his first second half of football, will pbly be the best of his career

[shanegrambeau]

….I think we all forget how well he was going before doing his ACL….

Uh?

How well was he doing?

He had one sensational game (which we lost)

Then was reasonable.

That is all I remember.

The hype was bigger than Sharman’s (and Sharman kicked more goals)

I think it was a knee jerk , sensationalist reaction.

He looks a goer. That’s for sure, but beyond that, I have no idea.

[D.B.Cooper]

Whilst far from proving he is AFL standard, Hayes is competitive and versatile.

Agree he would provide more flexibility at this point than Camaniti.

He also lead at the ball carrier when playing forward which is something our talks seem reluctant to do consistently.

His worth with supporters grows, however I agree another big strong willing combatant wouldn’t go astray right now.

[Impatient Sainter]

….I think we all forget how well he was going before doing his ACL….

Uh?
How well was he doing?
He had one sensational game (which we lost)
Then was reasonable.
That is all I remember.
The hype was bigger than Sharman’s (and Sharman kicked more goals)
I think it was a knee jerk , sensationalist reaction.
He looks a goer. That’s for sure, but beyond that, I have no idea.

In the 4 games he played he averaged 16 disposals 4.5 marks & 1.5 goals per game and chopped out in the ruck. Plus he is a big body who makes room for team mates around him. He will prove to be a worthy pick up if he ever gets a run at it again, the only thing against him is his age 27yo he will have smaller window to make an impact.

[Saint2]

Hope he recovers, but I think he will struggle.

[CQ SAINT]

I am going out on a limb here but I reckon if we get TDK, Hayes could easily become a centre square clearance specialist as a pure mid.
He has that happy knack of getting the right bounce and knowing where the right spots are.
I'm drawing on his SANFL experience but he was very effective and played as ruck and as a pure mid at times and he is a clean dispatcher of the ball by hand.

[shanegrambeau]

….I think we all forget how well he was going before doing his ACL….

Uh?
How well was he doing?
He had one sensational game (which we lost)
Then was reasonable.
That is all I remember.
The hype was bigger than Sharman’s (and Sharman kicked more goals)
I think it was a knee jerk , sensationalist reaction.
He looks a goer. That’s for sure, but beyond that, I have no idea.

In the 4 games he played he averaged 16 disposals 4.5 marks & 1.5 goals per game and chopped out in the ruck. Plus he is a big body who makes room for team mates around him. He will prove to be a worthy pick up if he ever gets a run at it again, the only thing against him is his age 27yo he will have smaller window to make an impact.

As I said, take out that first game, he averaged.

10 disposals
0.75 goals
3 marks

Not marking him hard, just trying to be real

He's definitely a goer by the looks.

[B.M]

How do we propose to get TDK

First Rounder?

That’ll be the asking price

[shanegrambeau]

….I think we all forget how well he was going before doing his ACL….

Uh?
How well was he doing?
He had one sensational game (which we lost)
Then was reasonable.
That is all I remember.
The hype was bigger than Sharman’s (and Sharman kicked more goals)
I think it was a knee jerk , sensationalist reaction.
He looks a goer. That’s for sure, but beyond that, I have no idea.

In the 4 games he played he averaged 16 disposals 4.5 marks & 1.5 goals per game and chopped out in the ruck. Plus he is a big body who makes room for team mates around him. He will prove to be a worthy pick up if he ever gets a run at it again, the only thing against him is his age 27yo he will have smaller window to make an impact.

As I said, take out that first game, he averaged.

10 disposals
0.75 goals
3 marks

Not marking him hard, just trying to be real

He's definitely a goer by the looks.

Edit

One of the remaining games he went off quickly so we shouldn’t count that.

[CQ SAINT]

How do we propose to get TDK

First Rounder?

That’ll be the asking price

I have no idea, but its clear an offer has been put to his management. So, we would be aware of the asking price. Can you put a first round price on a guy you've dropped and not allow a trade for reasonable value.

Then perhaps we give up Marshall's contract to the Blues and take DeKoning and their first round pick? Haha.

With their first round pick and DeKoning, we might just win more taps to advantage, have a ruckman who can leap, play forward and is that little bit taller and the thing that will interest Lyon the most, he is 4 years younger.

Then with their first round pick and ours, we might even have a chance of trading a Membrey or someone similar for Wet Toasts first pick and then draft the best kid in the country.

Not a likely scenario but what about Hayes, throwing his weight around at centre clearances, with a straight run at the fall of the ball. Even with Marshall at least foiling centre bounces and making the fall of the ball predictable. Yet, we digress.

Getting Dekoning isn't impossible until he signs with someone else, but having grown up with his father Terry and knowing the family well, it's not likely he will leave Melbourne unless it's for Geelong, who seem to have backed off since Sydney got serious with talks of $5m and 7 years. I reckon its St.Kilda or stay at Carlton for 2 years and then off to Geelong. Marshall for DeKoning and their first would seal the deal I reckon (Voss would be salivating) and Carlton would like that deal for sure.

[Killa]

Was a versatile and most valuable player with Woodville West Torrens

And did not enter the AFL system until a mature SANFL player

I seem to recall he was dropped for a game ahead of his knee injury

His reputation seems enhanced by his absence

[B.M]

He wasn’t dropped

His skill set is what we need - not his level of ability - he is a GOP

A fwd who can pinch hit in the ruck

[CQ SAINT]

He wasn’t dropped

His skill set is what we need - not his level of ability - he is a GOP

A fwd who can pinch hit in the ruck

He was omitted in favour of Paddy Ryder, who took on and beat 210cm Reeves. Marshall took on Nash and did ok. Ryder was the man who gave Hayes the opportunity in the first place by going home I think. At 196cm, Paddy came back in style and not only beat Reeves but he kicked a couple of goals.

If there is a skillset that we are missing, it's the 'overated' skill set of 197cm ruckman, who can beat 210cm ruckman, provide lollies for the midfield and go forward and goal. His ability to get up in big games was handy too. When Paddy went down, he took Ratten with him.

[66Iwasthere]

Jack is a very versatile player who moves all over the ground. He reads the play well, is strong in contested plays, can mark and is an ok kick. He is not a flashy player but brings experience and adds to our structure.

[Teflon]

Injury - has really hurts us this year!

Not because he’s a great player, far from it, but what he’d do structurally for the team.

Allow Owens to play forward/mid, allow Caminiti to develop at Sandy, chop out Marshall in ruck.

He’s an experienced footballer, he’s a big body, he is a contest in front of the ball.

Basically, Hayes and Membrey have not played!

It has given opportunities to some kids, but the experience forward of the ball has been missed!

We are the second lowest ranked team for i50 efficiency

Yes but adept coaching has kept us in it
Hayes has played 4 ganes
You’re overstating his impact and reaching again

[footynut]

I really liked what I saw, even though it was only a small sample size. But for some reason I dont feel he's a natural forward, he needs time up the ground. In the SANFL he excelled as a mid/Forward and even spent time on a HBF.

He's currently listed as 2-3 weeks away, I'd love to trial him at sandy as a mid resting forward and off half back..... I'd say swap him for Howard but he's only 194???

[Otiman]

I really liked what I saw, even though it was only a small sample size. But for some reason I dont feel he's a natural forward, he needs time up the ground. In the SANFL he excelled as a mid/Forward and even spent time on a HBF.

Yes, we needed a CHF/Ruck backup last time he played. Our needs are different now.

He is better off suited sneaking forward, creating mismatches in the air. At the moment we go to Higgins and Butler as a marking target far too much for my liking.

[Saint2]

I really liked what I saw, even though it was only a small sample size. But for some reason I dont feel he's a natural forward, he needs time up the ground. In the SANFL he excelled as a mid/Forward and even spent time on a HBF.

Yes, we needed a CHF/Ruck backup last time he played. Our needs are different now.

He is better off suited sneaking forward, creating mismatches in the air. At the moment we go to Higgins and Butler as a marking target far too much for my liking.

That's why I reckon Sharman should be playing more time in the forward 50 more than any other part of the ground.