GT busted on Footy Classified

[Milan Faletic]

Ross Lyon said via MMM that he inherited a "fractured" player. The implication was that not only was Kosi physically injured but also lacking in trust of the St Kilda footy club.

GT was clearly flustered when questioned by the panel about whether Kosi's confidence and trust was undermined under GT's coaching.

Totally unexpected to hear this and sheds a new light on Kosi. Never heard this before.

Busted, GT.

[Quixote]

Umm... I actually thought he seemed embarrassed at the ludicrous question. "Kosi, mentally and emotionally fractured??"

[kaos theory]

Nothing unsual about this. Its common knowledge that during the GT era, our 'training services' was a disgrace. Our processes we extremely sloppy.

A number of players had issues with poor preparation, treatment & recovery with injuries.

That is why we consistently had the worst injury list BY FAR of any club during that period.

It is not luck that over the last two season most of our players have been fitter & healthier for longer.

I still hold hope that Kosi will bring us some great performances over his remaining career.

[evertonfc]

Umm... I actually thought he seemed embarrassed at the ludicrous question. "Kosi, mentally and emotionally fractured??"

Confirming that this is the accurate version of events.

[SainterK]

The implication of mental scars was from Caro, Ross said he inherited a fractured player....people will choose to fill the gaps how they like.

For mine it was only face value stuff, he was rushed back from injury etc.

He is happy to whack Ross when he feels it's justified, likewise Ross can whack Grant.

[Enrico_Misso]

I thought he was referring to that game against Geelong years ago when we had a head of injuries and could hardly field a team.
GT brought Kosi back after injury when rumour had it that he was far from being right.
Kosi's dad publicly criticised the club.

[bobmurray]

Umm... I actually thought he seemed embarrassed at the ludicrous question. "Kosi, mentally and emotionally fractured??"

I watched Footy Classified and the above quote captures GT's reaction...

Busted, Milan....

[ausfatcat]

I thought he was referring to that game against Geelong years ago when we had a head of injuries and could hardly field a team.
GT brought Kosi back after injury when rumour had it that he was far from being right.
Kosi's dad publicly criticised the club.

back injury, I remember listening to Kosi's dad on the radio the day was also from memory the day Stewart Loewe anniunce he was going on for anther year (or retirement) after he was ruled out for 6 weeks or something very vague memory...

[Sam23]

How about when GT was sent blubbering um um um, when he completely got the free agent thing wrong.

Was funny.

[Milan Faletic]

Umm... I actually thought he seemed embarrassed at the ludicrous question. "Kosi, mentally and emotionally fractured??"

I watched Footy Classified and the above quote captures GT's reaction...

Busted, Milan....

Are you calling me a "busted"? hehe

I am a fan of GT and RL so it's tough to criticise either. I reckon GT wants to coach Melbourne.

[I Love Peter Kiel]

GT didn't get the free agency question wrong...he just wasn't quick enough to formulate an answer to Hutchy's verbal diarrhoea. Part of the ethos of Aussie rules is loyalty to the club and that will change with F.A. Hutchy doesn't care about the clubs. he knows F.A. will make more stories for him to cover "exclusively".

[meher baba]

Poor form by Lyon to make such a comment, whatever he actually meant by it.

Right from his first days at the club - "I didn't apply for this job, I was asked to come" - through to his continuing refusal to fess up to he fact that he and Ball had a falling out because Lyon didnt rate Ball (although, to be fair to Lyon, he came close last night) - Lyon has shown a tendency to use weasel words to state, in effect, "if anything goes wrong don't blame me".

I really rate Lyon as a coach, but this tendency shows an intrinsic lack of self-confidence which he would do well to try to overcome. One does get the sense that Lyon likes to exercise a lot of control, but perhaps needs to be given it by others with authority rather than seize it himself.

I think that helps to explain why he struggled so much while Butterss and Fraser were at war and why he has done so much better under Westaway's quiet but strong leadership.

[meher baba]

Umm... I actually thought he seemed embarrassed at the ludicrous question. "Kosi, mentally and emotionally fractured??"

I watched Footy Classified and the above quote captures GT's reaction...

Busted, Milan....

Are you calling me a "busted"? hehe

I am a fan of GT and RL so it's tough to criticise either. I reckon GT wants to coach Melbourne.

They could do worse: although GT's career in football will go nowhere while Demetriou remains on the scene.

[plugger66]

Ross Lyon said via MMM that he inherited a "fractured" player. The implication was that not only was Kosi physically injured but also lacking in trust of the St Kilda footy club.

GT was clearly flustered when questioned by the panel about whether Kosi's confidence and trust was undermined under GT's coaching.

Totally unexpected to hear this and sheds a new light on Kosi. Never heard this before.

Busted, GT.

Are you going to start a GT thread after every show? Last week you started one and got the words wrong to suit your agenda. Give it a miss for your own sanity. Busted Milan Pathetic.

[saintspremiers]

True but it's not like he can shaft their fixture any more than
it currently is!

Bailey should be sacked during this year. Go GT!

Would make for great entertainment for the forum!

[Thinline]

Had a conversation with player at a new club and mentioned how I followed the Saints. He mentioned how his agent (I think he said) had arranged a meeting with Kosi so said player could get his head around the rigours and requirements of professional AFL. When they got talking skinfolds and beep tests and the like, said player mentioned how he'd come back from off season pretty fat and slow. Kosi apparently said words to the effect 'there was a time when I woulda got away with that. Not now though. Now if we're a point over, we just run until we're back where we have to be and don't join in properly until we're right. You just won;t play unless you're numbers are spot on.' They then talked about sacrifices and diet and no boozing the usual gamut of athlete stuff.

Now I know it's only a little innocuous snippet, and I'll prob get howled for not mentioning names - which I won't - but I don't think it's much of a stretch to establish that Kosi's 'now' and 'back then' references were clearly relating to Lyon era and GT era.

For mine, Lyon has a clue about what is needed.

GT thought he had a clue, but basically he was taking Warrnambool club footy principles and trying them out in the big time.

The former will last. The other, clearly, cannot.

The former is in player's interests. The latter, for all it's fire and brimstone and comraderie, is untenable long term. And so it proved.

[Thinline]

Right from his first days at the club - "I didn't apply for this job, I was asked to come" - through to his continuing refusal to fess up to he fact that he and Ball had a falling out because Lyon didnt rate Ball (although, to be fair to Lyon, he came close last night) - Lyon has shown a tendency to use weasel words to state, in effect, "if anything goes wrong don't blame me".

Ludicrous twistage.

Lyon, for all his media vanilla-ism, was quite clear about Ball. 'No guarantees, son'. Completely valid stance when the player concerned had some proving to do. As for the 'don't blame me stance', with ref to the GF, he mentioned there was things he could have/should have tried. What more do you want?

And while I'm at it: Which coaches, out of interest, do you think are MORE frank?

[rodgerfox]

How long does it take to 'unfracture' a player?

[rodgerfox]

GT thought he had a clue, but basically he was taking Warrnambool club footy principles and trying them out in the big time.

Although I agree to a point, to be fair GT was in the box at North Melbourne, played at the highest level, and was a selector at an ALF club.

There was more to his footy background than just being a super country/VAFA coach.

[Waltzing St Kilda]

You gotta admire GT's chutpah in constantly carping about the AFL administration. With Channel 9 currently seeking AFL rights for the next period, he'll be lucky to keep his job. Perceived pressure might just make them jittery.

[Thinline]

GT thought he had a clue, but basically he was taking Warrnambool club footy principles and trying them out in the big time.

Although I agree to a point, to be fair GT was in the box at North Melbourne, played at the highest level, and was a selector at an ALF club.

There was more to his footy background than just being a super country/VAFA coach.

a) not as a senior coach b) was well known as a party player and c) what do you select at an ALF club - which members have the best video collection of a really ordinary 80's sitcom ? Presume you meant AFL. One thing identifying which players can play, another ensuring how best to manage their ongoing development IMO...

Yes. It's not black and white. But the grey is skewed toward necessary modern professionalism with Lyon and towards old school 'steak night before the game' and a good old fashioned beer fuelled bonding with Thomas.

Anyway, it's a hoary old chestnut. I don't wish to go into any further.

[rodgerfox]

GT thought he had a clue, but basically he was taking Warrnambool club footy principles and trying them out in the big time.

Although I agree to a point, to be fair GT was in the box at North Melbourne, played at the highest level, and was a selector at an ALF club.

There was more to his footy background than just being a super country/VAFA coach.

a) not as a senior coach b) was well known as a party player and c) what do you select at an ALF club - which members have the best video collection of a really ordinary 80's sitcom ? Presume you meant AFL. One thing identifying which players can play, another ensuring how best to manage their ongoing development IMO...

Yes. It's not black and white. But the grey is skewed toward necessary modern professionalism with Lyon and towards old school 'steak night before the game' and a good old fashioned beer fuelled bonding with Thomas.

Anyway, it's a hoary old chestnut. I don't wish to go into any further.

Yeah, as I said I do agree to a point.

Just was pointing out that his footy background is quite deep and varied at the highest level.

[meher baba]

And while I'm at it: Which coaches, out of interest, do you think are MORE frank?

Yes, that's a reasonable point: all of them suffer from Lyon's disease to some extent. Presumably, they are all coached by public affairs "experts" to talk in this sort of a way.

All I'm saying is that it's time for Lyon to stop trying to blame any of his current problems (which don't seem to be all that substantial anyway) on things that happened before he got to the club.

Talking now about "inheriting" a "broken player" is not an example of him heading in the right direction IMO.

[matrix]

and here we go again......

[Banger724]

is it possible we're all reading too much into this... kosi had had a lot of injuries prior to ross getting to the club, his statement may have simply related to that and was in no way intended as a swipe at previous regime?