Jack Reiwoldt

[CQ SAINT]

Beveridge stuffed up more picks than he got right!

It’s that simple

Not all his fault

Ridiculously under resourced!!!

I'm not sure too many got more right than they get wrong. I know not many last 5 decades doing it. Very simple logic indeed.

[ace]

Retiring - nearly 350 games 780 odd goals 3 or 4 Coleman medals

Why a thread about him

He SHOULD have been a fkn SAINT!!!!

We had pick 9
He went pick 13

He was a STAR in TAS as an 17yo played senior footy for Clarence and kicked 5 in a senior GF
His dad played 300+ games for Clarence and is a tas footy Hall of Famer
His cousin was our best player!
He did work experience at Moorabbin
He was a known quantity

We decided on David Armitage- ok selection
And ignored what was right under our nose!

Our recruiter at the time
Couldn’t see a position for him at AFL level.
And didn’t think it’d be a good idea to have the cousins together at StK

What a joke
Another woeful decision- which cost 1 maybe two flags!

Our recruitment team at the time WAS a joke.
Only interested in the ego boost from finding a roughy player that no other club was interested in.
Even worse was the waste of our second pick.

[B.M]

Brad Howard

It was clear JB had gone to Queensland or to a Qld game at the carnival

D.Armitage
B.Howard

Like in 2002 when he must have seen a Gippy Power game

B.Goddard
M.Ferguson

Look he had some great selections
B.Hall, M.Hudghton, L.Montagna, S.Fisher
Real standouts
And of course Milney as a rookie!

But comparing to Geelong
X.Clarke at pick 5 Geelong took Bartel at 8
NDS at pick 13 Geelong Kelly at 17
M.Maguire at Pick 21 Geelong Stevie J at 24
Montagna at Pick 37 Geelong Gary Ablett jnr at 40 (I know he’s a f/S)
J.Houlihan at Pick 49 Geelong M McCarthy at pick 69

Plus Geelong took C.Gardner and H.Playfair in the 2001 draft

That draft is why Geelong won 3 premierships in the ensuing decade
And unfortunately why we won 0

[B.M]

5 decades?

50 years recruiting?

Are you sure???

Wasn’t Ian Stewart the main recruiter in the late 70s and early 80s
I know he got Burns, Cunningham, Frawley and Plugger
Was Colling a recruiter as well in the 80s

[CQ SAINT]

5 decades?

50 years recruiting?

Are you sure???

Wasn’t Ian Stewart the main recruiter in the late 70s and early 80s
I know he got Burns, Cunningham, Frawley and Plugger
Was Colling a recruiter as well in the 80s

50 years service, the last 30 in recruiting.

From 65-81, he was a statistician for the club and would give Jeans stats sheets. They forged a friendship. Jeans would refer to him.as the 'Professor' due to his memory preparation and football brain.

82-91, he was appointed by Drake as the first Junior Development Manager at Club level in 82 and built a huge network of scouts in our zones.

His recruits are legendary.

Just a quick fact. Between 2001 and 2012 only one team won more than 11 games every year. It was St.Kilda and Bevo had a hand in recruiting most of the players.

[B.M]

He did have

Pick 1 & 2 in 2000 finished last
Pick 2, 5, 13, 21 in 2001 (super draft) overlooking Judd
Pick 1 & 22 in 2002
Pick 8 in 2003

That’s 9 top end selections in 3 drafts - blind Freddy wouldn’t have fkd that up!

His selection of Fisher at 55 in 2003 was great
Gwilt at pick 63 very good

He picked a few absolute duds too though
Howard, Sweeney, Raymond, Heyne and Connors

But they were speculative though - so no issue

It was
The non selection of
Chris Judd
Jack Reiwoldt or James Frawley
Cyril Rioli

That really hurt

Go back to the 90s
Absolutely hit and miss - like a bad perm!
Only high picks
Good
Hall, Hudghton, Hayes, Baker, Blake
Poor
Beetham, Walton, Begley, Atkinson, Healy

Some of those picks were absolute busts - that’s the difference between winning and losing

Forget all the coach failures and sackings over the years for poor performance and I’ll tell you straight - we got it all wrong

Show me a great coach - and I’ll show you a master recruiter at that club!

Stephen Wells, Kinnear Beatson, Graham Wright best in the business imo

And their secret - just pick the best player

I mean Luke Parker FFS went at pick 40!!!!
We took Jamie Cripps at 24!

It’s s*** like that

[CQ SAINT]

He did have

Pick 1 & 2 in 2000 finished last
Pick 2, 5, 13, 21 in 2001 (super draft) overlooking Judd
Pick 1 & 22 in 2002
Pick 8 in 2003

That’s 9 top end selections in 3 drafts - blind Freddy wouldn’t have fkd that up!

His selection of Fisher at 55 in 2003 was great
Gwilt at pick 63 very good

He picked a few absolute duds too though
Howard, Sweeney, Raymond, Heyne and Connors

But they were speculative though - so no issue

It was
The non selection of
Chris Judd
Jack Reiwoldt or James Frawley
Cyril Rioli

That really hurt

Go back to the 90s
Absolutely hit and miss - like a bad perm!
Only high picks
Good
Hall, Hudghton, Hayes, Baker, Blake
Poor
Beetham, Walton, Begley, Atkinson, Healy

Some of those picks were absolute busts - that’s the difference between winning and losing

Forget all the coach failures and sackings over the years for poor performance and I’ll tell you straight - we got it all wrong

Show me a great coach - and I’ll show you a master recruiter at that club!

Stephen Wells, Kinnear Beatson, Graham Wright best in the business imo

And their secret - just pick the best player

I mean Luke Parker FFS went at pick 40!!!!
We took Jamie Cripps at 24!

It’s s*** like that

How did Everitt, Smith, Jones, Brown, and Sziller go? Heatley 49?
Thompson 62? Lappin 40?

Selective memory, revisionist hindsight.

[B.M]

I’ll go through EVERY draft pick from the draft era when Bevo was recruiting 86-2007 - when I have time

But I’ll tell you what it’s the choices at the top end of the draft that are key - one fkd decision and the team after you get a champion!!!

Ball 2- Judd 3
McEvoy 9 - Danger 10
Billing 3 - Bont 4 - not JB
McCartin 1 Petracca 2

In depth analysis this weekend

A 50%

Everitt, like Peckett came through our u19s not even sure he was drafted?

[CQ SAINT]

Everitt and Peckett were developed in squads of 15 and 17 year olds that lived in our zone.
Got any idea who bought these squads together, that's right, Bevo.

He and Drake revolutionised zone development.
First to appoint a full-time manager, first to set up scouts in all our areas, first to put together zone squads. A few years later the whole league was doing it.

Everitt was the last free hit from zone development we got.

[amusingname]

I’ll go through EVERY draft pick from the draft era when Bevo was recruiting 86-2007 - when I have time

But I’ll tell you what it’s the choices at the top end of the draft that are key - one fkd decision and the team after you get a champion!!!

Ball 2- Judd 3
McEvoy 9 - Danger 10
Billing 3 - Bont 4 - not JB
McCartin 1 Petracca 2

In depth analysis this weekend

A 50%

Everitt, like Peckett came through our u19s not even sure he was drafted?

So you are going to go through drafts starting from 37 years ago to prove what, that recruiting is an inexact practice and its hard to judge how a 17-18 year old will develop physically and mentally? Sounds like a real worthwhile endeavour. Be sure to go through every other recruiters picks as well to prove how wrong we got it, I know it will make you feel better to prove you know better, as pretty much all the players you are looking at have now retired and you know what happened to their careers.

Be sure to post who should be recruited this year as well, not just saying best player available, actual names.

[Saintmatt]

Not sure what all the bitching is about.

Bevo senior landed us Justin Sweeney.

Brad Howard says 'hi'!!

[CURLY]

Brad Howard

It was clear JB had gone to Queensland or to a Qld game at the carnival

D.Armitage
B.Howard

Like in 2002 when he must have seen a Gippy Power game

B.Goddard
M.Ferguson

Look he had some great selections
B.Hall, M.Hudghton, L.Montagna, S.Fisher
Real standouts
And of course Milney as a rookie!

But comparing to Geelong
X.Clarke at pick 5 Geelong took Bartel at 8
NDS at pick 13 Geelong Kelly at 17
M.Maguire at Pick 21 Geelong Stevie J at 24
Montagna at Pick 37 Geelong Gary Ablett jnr at 40 (I know he’s a f/S)
J.Houlihan at Pick 49 Geelong M McCarthy at pick 69

Plus Geelong took C.Gardner and H.Playfair in the 2001 draft

That draft is why Geelong won 3 premierships in the ensuing decade
And unfortunately why we won 0

Bit unfair on X Clarke due to injuries. He was freakish and reckon we win both 2009 and 2010 with him. Same with Goose verging on elite before a broken leg.

[magnifisaint]

Not sure what all the bitching is about.

Bevo senior landed us Justin Sweeney.

Brad Howard says 'hi'!!

Hi Brad, You weren't a very good footballer.

[shanegrambeau]

Xavier Clarke coulda shoulda champion…silk

NWM is different but similar ??

[shanegrambeau]

Xavier Clarke coulda shoulda champion…silk

NWM is different but similar ??

[B.M]

No

I’m going back through drafts to examine how poor our drafting has been

But really

The proof is in the pudding

0 premierships

Bit like Freo who we have something in common with

[B.M]

Every player has injury

Xavier did a knee in 2009
Had a few other minor injuries prior to that

But prior to 09 in 8 years he played 105 games

He again did his knee at Brisbane

But, that was at 27yo

In perspective
Lenny Hayes did a knee in 2006 & 2011 at 26 and 31

He won a B&F in 2012 at 30 and played until he was 34

Point being
You can recover from injury - in the end he was delisted at Brisbane


I think X Clarke was skilful - but Bartel was a champion!
He had won a premiership and a Brownlow before Xavier did his first knee

[Mr Magic]

Just an observation.
For someone who claims to not care what other posters think, you sure do post a lot of times when your opinion isn't accepted unconditionally.

[B.M]

I care what I think

And argue my point

What’s your point?

[Mr Magic]

No point - just an observation.

[B.M]

So a pointless observation?

And unnecessary

[CQ SAINT]

So a pointless observation?

And unnecessary

You could say the same about a lot of your revision but yet, here we are again.
Of course, you'd think your bleatings about 23 years ago is probably necessary and if we learn from the sermons you give here, we will improve.
Perhaps we can go back and fix it.
Unnecessary. Lol thats fresh coming from you.

[CURLY]

Geelong were gifted Selwood in 2006 which put them in front of us.

[SaintPav]

and the rest…

[perfectionist]

It's Riewoldt.