Richmond was robbed of 2 points

[Sainter_Dad]

And for once it was not us on the wrong end of the stick as I believe that they will be more of a finals threat than Sydney

But - and The_Dud WILL correct me if I am wrong.

The Free was paid before the End of Play (when the umpire officially signals End of Play (except if you are Fremantle and playing St Kilda))
The Sydney player time wasted - ie picked the ball up and kicked it away (I know why he did - but if you believe you have won the free and play on they pay 50 as well)
The Game was over officiated - the free for 'prohibited contact' for instance

You cannot then have a conference and decide at that point not to enforce a clearly understood rule (the 50)

Whether you think the previous free was there or not is irrelevant - the 50 was every minute of every game every day

It is no wonder we go spare at the Umpires on Game Day when even in considered consensus they cannot agree on the outcome let alone in the heat of the game.
Make the rules clear - pare them back - umpire to the feel of the game - ie if there is no impact on play - let it go - don't penalize a touch on the shoulder that neither impedes or is dangerous

Umpire to the rule - did the player going for the ball have clear and fair access to the ball - yes - play on.
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[Personally - I would have been filthy if it was St Kilda playing Richmond and the 50 was paid - but in the context of THAT game - it had to be]

[Toy Saint]

Credit to the umpire for using common sense.

The ball was kicked into the crowd after the final siren, so theoretically there was no time left to waste.

[stkfc1]

I just saw it for the first time this morning. That's a 50 every day of every week. Doesn't matter if the siren sounded or the player didn't hear the whistle. The letter of the law is, if an opposition player disposes of the ball after the whistle, 50m penalty applies.
I'd be filthy if I was a Richmond supporter today. Will be interesting to see the spin the umpiring dept comes out with to explain this one.

[bigcarl]

Commonsense won.

In a general sense, the rules need to be vastly simplified and stripped of any grey areas.

It’s impossible for umpires to get everything correct - it is a very hard game to officiate - but at least we can help them make fewer howlers.

I think the right team won. Swans we’re stiff to concede the previous goal, which was a touch-and-go holding-the-man call. Looked like dropping the ball to me.

[Sainter_Dad]

Credit to the umpire for using common sense.

The ball was kicked into the crowd after the final siren, so theoretically there was no time left to waste.

Time wasting is not 'GAME TIME' as the second a free is paid it is supposed to be Time Off - or the Umpire can call time off and the time keeper make the adjustment - Time Wasting was bought in to stop 25 minutes of playing time 45 minutes of Real Time.... Are you telling me that for Prestia to take his free the ball was immediately available after it was kicked into the crowd????

Common sense applies if the game was umpired with Common Sense - but what is your take on the 'prohibited contact' free???

This is my issue with Umpiring - if you pay chopping the arms directly in front at one end - you CANNOT pay no infringement at the other - Non decisions are a form of decision as well

Effectively the umpires have taken a 'you can have a 15 minute smoko' for most of the game - but then when one guy is on the loo for 10 minutes docked his pay.

[Banger9798]

Alot of broken TVs in Richmond

I reckon they were robbed

[Rubyjo]

Get rid of the 50. No one likes it .
Make it 25 or 30 .

[desertsaint]

Not sure how they were robbed. we're complaining about a non-fifty for a free that was non existent. And ignoring the worst umpire dissent we've seen this year also not penalised. If it'd been a fifty on top we'd all be saying the swans were robbed - as they had been all night by very poor umpiring very much to richmonds advantage.
and the rule about the end of the game is not when the ump blows the whistle, it is when the ump (any of them) hears the siren. he did blow the free before the siren, but with crowd roar and the siren all going off in the same moment, what idiot would blow a fifty for a player celebrating in a very common and understandable way. There was no intent to waste time or hamper in any way the richmond player.
The right decision was made in the non-fifty. And here we are complaining because for once an umps interpretation was right. Why? Especially in a game almost ruined by very poor officiating up until that very moment.
And btw - what a great second half it was. Franklin still doing it.

[bigcarl]

Not sure how they were robbed. we're complaining about a non-fifty for a free that was non existent. And ignoring the worst umpire dissent we've seen this year also not penalised.

Good points. Dusty and Riewoldt could be pinged by the MRO under the dopey and ridiculous dissent rule.

[terry smith rules]

Credit to the umpire for using common sense.

The ball was kicked into the crowd after the final siren, so theoretically there was no time left to waste.

Time wasting is not 'GAME TIME' as the second a free is paid it is supposed to be Time Off - or the Umpire can call time off and the time keeper make the adjustment - Time Wasting was bought in to stop 25 minutes of playing time 45 minutes of Real Time.... Are you telling me that for Prestia to take his free the ball was immediately available after it was kicked into the crowd????

Sorry you are completely wrong

It is only time off when the umpire calls it (ball ups, scores and out of bounds ) are automatic on the call. Other time off is when the umpire might be setting up a shot at goal or there is a delay in getting the ball back to the kicker.

The game was over when Warner kicked the ball away. So there was no waste of time because there was literally no time to waste.

Brian Taylor is a fool who has made the greatest mountain of a molehill with this

[mr six o'clock]

Watched it live last night .
All I'll say is that I have no doubt that the fifty would have been paid if it was a st kilda team in place of Sydney.

[meher baba]

I was more bothered about the opening free kick of the game: a classic instance of an umpire blowing the whistle for what he thought might be going on but couldn’t actually see (because in reality there was nothing to see).

But surely the only way to look at last night’s game is that Richmond blew it badly.

[CQ SAINT]

Arguing for arguments sake. Who cares. Opposition forum for me. I hate Sydney a little more than I hate Richmond.

[Life Long Saint]

How would we all feel if Prestia was paid a 50 and then took more than his allotted 30 seconds to kick the ball for goal and was called to play on?
Time wasting only matters when there is time on the clock.
10 seconds earlier and the Sydney player doesn't kick the ball away. And it is entirely plausible that he thought the whistle was for him as Prestia caught him high before the slight jumper tug.
The right decision was reached, eventually...and the umpires collaborate ALL THE TIME.

Nothing to see here!

[tonyh]

For me, a 50m penalty should have applied, and Richmond were robbed of 2 points. Earlier umpiring decisions are irrelevant, in any event I thought the decisions favoured Richmond in the 1st half, but helped to kick-start Sydney in the 2nd (aided by poor Richmond discipline, which ultimately cost them the game).
As has been noted vy a poster above, the 50m penalty overall should be reduced to 25m, the 50m penalty is a major blight on the game.

[saynta]

Arguing for arguments sake. Who cares. Opposition forum for me. I hate Sydney a little more than I hate Richmond.

Yep, who gives a tu'penny f***. Not I said the spider to the fly.

[SunnyErnie]

Mods, please move this post to the general forum. It has nothing to do with St Kilda!!!

[perfectionist]

As others have said, the issue of the correctness of the free kick is irrelevant.

There are numerous issues relating to what happens after the siren sounds that are unclear, and perhaps this is an example of one of them.

Law 19 relates to 50 metre penalties and I think the very first section is the key to whether the correct decision was paid last night.

"19.1 SPIRIT AND INTENTION
After a Mark or Free Kick has been awarded to a Player, a Fifty Metre Penalty will be awarded against the opposing Team which delays or impedes the play, or behaves
in an unsportsmanlike manner."

Did the player hear the whistle and kick the ball into the stands in order to delay or impede the play or to be unsportsmanlike? It didn't look like it.

I doubt if the player would have done the same thing if the free was within the 50 metre arc. He did it because there was no chance of the player kicking a score. However, he was foolish. The three umpires appeared to discuss the decision amongst themselves before it was clarified. One of three has umpired more GFs than any other umpire. This is a good thing, and if it is not already, should be an instruction to follow for any issue relating to the end of quarter or play. In fact, I would like to see it extended to more of the whole of play. Umpires now can override decisions of other umpires if they feel the umpire was unsighted or missed (say) an obvious free.

[Impatient Sainter]

They were out played in the 2nd half and didnt deserve any points, be it a draw or win IMO. As much as people salute Hardwick as a coach he had his pants pulled down last night. There midfield run out of legs and he failed to throw things around until the last 5 minutes. Moving Gibcus forward and giving them a marking target forward should have happened at half time IMO.

It hasnt tempered my hatred of Sydney, they are an arrogant FC and have had far too many academy concessions in recent years.

[D.B.Cooper]

This incident shows the ludicrous direction the game is going with rules and their interpretation.
The umpires are on a hiding to nothing with rule interpretation and such a fast fluid game.

Blow the whistle for a free kick and an opposition player boots the ball out into the crowd after the whistle has blown is a 50 mt penalty without doubt.
IMO watching it live it was 50mt straight away. If it was not 50, then surely the free kick should have been overturned against Martin & Reiwoldt for dissent.

Regardless of previous poor decisions, each needs to be on its own merit and I think this was 50 every day of the playing week.

How ridiculous are the rules when a player raises his arms in disappointment at a free kick given against him and is penalized with a 50, but a guy can boot the footy over the fence into crowd following a free against without penalty.

[BadRossco]

I believe the penalty was once 15metres but the AFL in their wisdom changed it to 50 just another blight on our game

[perfectionist]

I believe the penalty was once 15metres but the AFL in their wisdom changed it to 50 just another blight on our game

It was as a result of tactic used by Kevin Sheedy when coach of Essendon. He instructed his players to run any opponents not within 80 metres of goal to be run into the fence if they had a mark or free as it would only advance them 15 metres and would give his team time to set up behind the ball. It worked on the day when they beat WC (I think the team was).

[shanegrambeau]

Scar tissue in my brain from Barry Halls love tap causes me to think it’s part of the ‘Always go nice on Sydney’ thing…..
But I like to see Cotchin in a loosing team so..no biggie.

[asiu]

before the sites curmudgeon gets to u

thats

losing not loosing

[samuraisaint]

It was a 50 metre penalty every day of the week.
Prestia may not have kicked straight and may still have missed, and the best result Richmond could have achieved was a draw anyway, but considering the game was over officiated with 60 free kicks paid, and seeing some of the 50 metre penalties paid this year (like in Adelaide against us last week) pale into insignificance compared to what the Swans player did.
The Swans should thank their lucky stars in my opinion.