Welcome Ryan Abbott

[saynta]

See that Lewis has nominated for the draft along with 4 other former saints players.

Interesting - who are the other 4? Cheers
[/quote]

White, Rice O'Kearney and Minchington.

[saintsRrising]

I'm pretty sure all delisted players go into the draft automatically.

I doubt that.

Players would need to nominate.

A player like Jack Martin for example may strategically want to be in the PSD and not the main draft to ensure he gets to Carlton.

Also in the PSD a player can nominate terms. In the main draft he cannot.

[SaintPav]

I'm pretty sure all delisted players go into the draft automatically.

I doubt that.

Players would need to nominate.

A player like Jack Martin for example may strategically want to be in the PSD and not the main draft to ensure he gets to Carlton.

Also in the PSD a player can nominate terms. In the main draft he cannot.

Can we do a dirty and pick Martin up in the PSD?

I’d love to f*** them over.

[saintsRrising]

I'm pretty sure all delisted players go into the draft automatically.

I doubt that.

Players would need to nominate.

A player like Jack Martin for example may strategically want to be in the PSD and not the main draft to ensure he gets to Carlton.

Also in the PSD a player can nominate terms. In the main draft he cannot.

Can we do a dirty and pick Martin up in the PSD?

I’d love to f*** them over.

Blues finished below us and so if we did both have PSD picks, the Blues would pick before us.

[saintsRrising]

The AFL website says we have picks 51, 76, 82.

I think you may have an outdated source.

76 went to the Swans.

Pick 76. Sydney (received from St Kilda as part of Zak Jones trade; originally received from Greater Western Sydney in 2018

I see 51 and 82. We had a later pick, but with Abbott that is now gone.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/2019- ... 4ee4c91b5c

Thanks for pointing out the move of pick 76 to Sydney. The AFL site for some reason show pick 76 against Sydney in the "indicative draft order" but still show it as our pick in their "club by club draft picks" list.....Reckon they at least could get their own web site correct!

Ok moving feast it seems......it looks like the AFL has today adjusted the draft order (So the other one they had changed the picks but not the draft order!) Now they have revised everything. Evidently they have removed picks that clubs will not use and some previous years points adjustments to clubs like GWs which has shuffled things around somewhat.


So 76 has moved to 71.

So today it now reads as:
71. Sydney (received from St Kilda as part of Zak Jones trade; originally received from Greater Western Sydney in 2018)

And our pick that was 82 is now 76, and pick 100 is now 82.

[Spinner]

Where’s the outrage that followed the addition of Ryder?

[B.M]

Abbott will only be taking ruck time off Sam Alabakis

Not sure anyone cares about that

[saintsRrising]

Where’s the outrage that followed the addition of Ryder?

It is chalk and cheese.

Ryder has been taken to play first 22 and is older (though better). There is also the argument of whether it is better to play a ruck and true KF or two rucks (who are handy forward). ie Marshal/Bruce or Marshall/Ryder

Abbott has been taken as a back-up and will most likely play at Sandi, and for a ruckman is now at peak-age.

Ryder had a trade cost (part of a bundle and so anyone's guess as to what that was. Most likely cheap), whereas Aboot was free. Abott will most likely be a on a very low wage, whereas Paddy is on a lowish deal.



One could argue that both are stop-gaps though. Ryder due to his age, and Abbott due to his so far demonstrated limited ability.

For what we want him to do I think Abott is a good value fit for purpose pick up. If Marshall does a hammy just before a game Abott is then a true option to play. A kid in the draft would be a big disadvantage in 2020.

[saynta]

Where’s the outrage that followed the addition of Ryder?

It is chalk and cheese.

Ryder has been taken to play first 22 and is older (though better). There is also the argument of whether it is better to play a ruck and true KF or two rucks (who are handy forward). ie Marshal/Bruce or Marshall/Ryder

Abbott has been taken as a back-up and will most likely play at Sandi, and for a ruckman is now at peak-age.

Ryder had a trade cost (part of a bundle and so anyone's guess as to what that was. Most likely cheap), whereas Aboot was free. Abott will most likely be a on a very low wage, whereas Paddy is on a lowish deal.



One could argue that both are stop-gaps though. Ryder due to his age, and Abbott due to his so far demonstrated limited ability.

For what we want him to do I think Abott is a good value fit for purpose pick up. If Marshall does a hammy just before a game Abott is then a true option to play. A kid in the draft would be a big disadvantage in 2020.

As someone else posted Pierce would have been a better option that Abbott.

[Spinner]

Where’s the outrage that followed the addition of Ryder?

It is chalk and cheese.

Ryder has been taken to play first 22 and is older (though better). There is also the argument of whether it is better to play a ruck and true KF or two rucks (who are handy forward). ie Marshal/Bruce or Marshall/Ryder

Abbott has been taken as a back-up and will most likely play at Sandi, and for a ruckman is now at peak-age.

Ryder had a trade cost (part of a bundle and so anyone's guess as to what that was. Most likely cheap), whereas Aboot was free. Abott will most likely be a on a very low wage, whereas Paddy is on a lowish deal.



One could argue that both are stop-gaps though. Ryder due to his age, and Abbott due to his so far demonstrated limited ability.

For what we want him to do I think Abott is a good value fit for purpose pick up. If Marshall does a hammy just before a game Abott is then a true option to play. A kid in the draft would be a big disadvantage in 2020.

What a load of s*** this is.

Should have stopped where you stated Ryder was the better player trying to justified the outrage.

+ Ryders trade cost was next to nothing.

[saintsRrising]

As someone else posted Pierce would have been a better option that Abbott.

Is this the same Pierce that missed most of this year due to concussion? If so why would you believe that such a player would be suitable as a back up?

[saintsRrising]

What a load of s*** this is.

Should have stopped where you stated Ryder was the better player trying to justified the outrage.

So you believe that Abbott is a better player than Ryder. Interesting view. IMO Ryder is yes a better player than Abbott.

+ Ryders trade cost was next to nothing.

Ryder was cheap as I stated and so you are really just agreeing with myself on this.

While very cheap he still had a trade cost. Abbott was free as was DFA.

[Crossy66]

As someone else posted Pierce would have been a better option that Abbott.

Is this the same Pierce that missed most of this year due to concussion? If so why would you believe that such a player would be suitable as a back up?

Pierce had way more upside than Abbott, but that concussion issue is major factor.
Abbot sat behind zach smith and stanley. Nuff said. Hopefully grabs the opportunity though

[Spinner]

What a load of s*** this is.

Should have stopped where you stated Ryder was the better player trying to justified the outrage.

So you believe that Abbott is a better player than Ryder. Interesting view. IMO Ryder is yes a better player than Abbott.

+ Ryders trade cost was next to nothing.

Ryder was cheap as I stated and so you are really just agreeing with myself on this.

While very cheap he still had a trade cost. Abbott was free as was DFA.

No I believe Ryder is better obviously. You stated Ryder was better too but seemed upset with recruiting the better player, and happy we recruited a player not 22 (Abbott).

This is the very weird view.

[saintsRrising]

No I believe Ryder is better obviously. You stated Ryder was better too but seemed upset with recruiting the better player,

Where did I say that?

and happy we recruited a player not 22 (Abbott).

This is the very weird view.

Abbott is for depth. Ruck is a specialised position and you need three on your list. The depth ruck can be a GOP and that is ok.

Having three Gawn's or Grundies might sound wonderful, but 1/ you could not afford to pay them and 2/ two of them would get pissed off and leave.

[saynta]

As someone else posted Pierce would have been a better option that Abbott.

Is this the same Pierce that missed most of this year due to concussion? If so why would you believe that such a player would be suitable as a back up?

He nominated for this years draft so must be over the concussion.

He's a better footballer than Abbott.

[B.M]

You need

1 Ruckman
1 Forward Ruckman
1 Back Up Ruckman
1 Developing Rickman

Not hard to understand, is it?

[saintsRrising]

As someone else posted Pierce would have been a better option that Abbott.

Is this the same Pierce that missed most of this year due to concussion? If so why would you believe that such a player would be suitable as a back up?

He nominated for this years draft so must be over the concussion.

He's a better footballer than Abbott.

Paddy says he wants to play again too.

So which AFL club picked up Pierce then?

[saynta]

As someone else posted Pierce would have been a better option that Abbott.

Is this the same Pierce that missed most of this year due to concussion? If so why would you believe that such a player would be suitable as a back up?

He nominated for this years draft so must be over the concussion.

He's a better footballer than Abbott.

Paddy says he wants to play again too.

So which AFL club picked up Pierce then?

No one of course. Doesn't mean he isn't a better footballer than Abbott though 'cause he is. Streets ahead. Concussion issue a problem.

[skeptic]

As someone else posted Pierce would have been a better option that Abbott.

Is this the same Pierce that missed most of this year due to concussion? If so why would you believe that such a player would be suitable as a back up?

He nominated for this years draft so must be over the concussion.

He's a better footballer than Abbott.

Paddy says he wants to play again too.

So which AFL club picked up Pierce then?

No one of course. Doesn't mean he isn't a better footballer than Abbott though 'cause he is. Streets ahead. Concussion issue a problem.

Wasn’t much of a problem the four years before 2019

Guess the club just didn’t rate him right?

[B.M]

Pierce was tracking ok for a 3rd ruckman until 2019

He was a giraffe when drafted, never a short term pick, ruckmen rarel are... don’t expect to see either Bell or Alabakis for a long while, if at all.

[saynta]

Pierce was tracking ok for a 3rd ruckman until 2019

He was a giraffe when drafted, never a short term pick, ruckmen rarel are... don’t expect to see either Bell or Alabakis for a long while, if at all.

Pierce was very good in the preseason game and round one this year before he was struck down with concussion.

Some posters either have very short memories or are very poor judges of football talent.

[Nick_BlueNRG]

Pierce was tracking ok for a 3rd ruckman until 2019

He was a giraffe when drafted, never a short term pick, ruckmen rarel are... don’t expect to see either Bell or Alabakis for a long while, if at all.

I think Alabakis will make it. For such a huge guy he is great below the knees. He just needs to build his tank a lot more to play AFL. Once he does that he will be our number 1 ruck allowing Marshall to play permanent CHF and King permanent FF.

[skeptic]

Pierce was tracking ok for a 3rd ruckman until 2019

He was a giraffe when drafted, never a short term pick, ruckmen rarel are... don’t expect to see either Bell or Alabakis for a long while, if at all.

Pierce was very good in the preseason game and round one this year before he was struck down with concussion.

Some posters either have very short memories or are very poor judges of football talent.

I liked Pierce... would have and did advocate he play/ed way more games over 2017/18. Reality is that he didn’t. The coach preferred Hickey and Longer by a long shot.

You’re all high and mighty about White not being picked and not being played as a sign of his potential... well he played more than Pierce is. By your own logic you should rate him as not good enough

[CQ SAINT]

Wasnt Pierce sent to Frankston because he was 3rd string at Sandy? He nearly became a good VFL ruckman at Frankston apparently. Never saw him play until the practice match he went down in.