Ins and Outs wishlist

[fugazi]

Ins
Brad Hill
Ben King
Tomlinson
second rounder
Third rounder

Outs:
Carlisle
Steven
Webster
Newnes
DMac
Pick 6
First rounder next year


Retire:
Longer
McCartin
Armo

Keep everyone else including Pierce and rookies.

[fugazi]

2020

B: Savage Brown Wilkie
HB Coffield B. KING Clark
C Billings Hannaberry B.HILL
HF Gresham M.KING Hind
F: Lonie Bruce Membrey
R: Marshall Steele Ross
IC: Acres, Battle, TOMLINSON, Dunstan
Emg: Geary, Sinclair, Long, Paton

Depth: Kent, Parker, Bytel, Langlands, Phillips, Rice, Clavarino, Joyce,

Wildcard: Roberton if they can guarantee his heart is safe for footy

[Scollop]

Where's the forgotten man?

In your opinion should he be Delisted or added to Depth?

Brandon White

[fugazi]

Would prefer to keep him but he seems destined to be traded or delisted. Remains a mystery.

[To the top]

I think we saw the problems with Savage and Brown yesterday

Carlisle is a required player - noting his history to resuming playing this season

Last year was on the back of not having played for a year and then back surgery impacting this season

[B.M]

Don’t rate Tomlinson at all

[silverhalo]

Ins
Brad Hill
Ben King
Tomlinson
second rounder
Third rounder

Outs:
Carlisle
Steven
Webster
Newnes
DMac
Pick 6
First rounder next year


Retire:
Longer
McCartin
Armo

Keep everyone else including Pierce and rookies.

Good analysis, agree with everything except I'd definitely keep Carlisle and not bring in Tomlinson. Also, the INs need to include a ruckman, we're very vulnerable if/when Marshall goes down.

[fugazi]

Don’t rate Tomlinson at all

I haven't seen much of him. Really included as it sounds like we are going after him and he could maybe play the mobile 2nd ruck.

Looking at his stats he is nothing that special.

[prwilkinson]

I noticed Webster kicked 2 for Sandy. Anyone catch the game? Was he playing forward? I wonder if Ratts already has different plans for Jimmy.

[prwilkinson]

Saints offering 900k a year for B.Hill.

[Saintly66]

Would prefer to keep him but he seems destined to be traded or delisted. Remains a mystery.

Didn’t someone say it had to do with his mother or something along those lines?

[st.byron]

Ins
Brad Hill
Ben King
Tomlinson
second rounder
Third rounder

Outs:
Carlisle
Steven
Webster
Newnes
DMac
Pick 6
First rounder next year


Retire:
Longer
McCartin
Armo

Keep everyone else including Pierce and rookies.

I guess you’re thinking two first rounders out for Hill and Ben King, second rounder in for Stuv. Would be happy to see Charlie Constable on the ins list as a swap for Jack with another pick as well as Constable.

In :

Brad Hill
Ben King
Charlie Constable
Someone as backup for Marshall - Goldstein?

[fugazi]

Would be pretty happy with Constable

[Waltzing St Kilda]

Ins:
Ben King
Brad Hill
Relief ruckman

Tradeable:
Anyone except Gresham, Marshall, Steele, Steven (unless he's hellbent on leaving), Clark, Max King, Billings, Hind, Battle, Membrey, Carlisle (I cut him slack because he's injured).

[SMS]

INs FOR OUTs
12,14 FOR Pick 5
B.King, 55, 87 FOR Pick 14, Bruce & Newnes
B.Hill, 68, 80 FOR Pick 12 & Acres & McKenzie
C.Constable FOR Steven
T.Goldstein FOR FA
Tomlinson FOR FA
S.Hill FOR FA

[SMS]

B: Geary Brown Wilkie
HB Coffield B.KING Clark
C Billings Hannaberry B.HILL
HF Gresham Battle Long
F: Parker M.KING Membrey
R: Marshal, Steele, Ross
IC: Constable, Bytel, TOMLINSON, Dunstan

[SaintPav]

No Hind?

[saintsRrising]

12,14 FOR Pick 5

Trouble is for that to make sense for GWS they need a pick low enough to use before someone reads out Greens name. That is the real value for them. So it really would depend on where GWS see another club calling out Greens name.

With Swans below us, they would probably call out Greens name as they are Sydney based. So our pick is no good to GWS.

That may mean that Crows hold the whip hand on such a swap. Their pick is earlier than ours, and as long as the Blues do not knock off the Cats will also be below the Swans.

Picks12/ 14 is also the sweet spot for the Crows to gran some SA talent at about their estimated draft cost and so do not have t pay overs.

[saintsRrising]

BHill for our Pick5/6 and a pick back to us.

Steven wants to go....so something back for us. If we are lucky Constable with Saints agreeing to pay part of Steven's salary.

Tomlinson as a restricted FA.

Then it gets hard as we have little to trade in picks and players.

[saintsRrising]

Purely a hypothetical as who would want to go to the Sun's at present?

Carlisle, Bruce and some steak knives like DMak to the Suns. Both go for huge $$$$.

Pick 1, BKing and Martin to Saints.

Suns get some mature bodies that they need desperately. We get two mids to add to Hill, Bytel, Steele and our support mids. BKing for the fuuture though will take a while.

However again, who would want to go to the Sun's at present?

[Yorkeys]

If Jack S wants out he can't expect that plus a salary subsidy, can he. He would have to take a haircut so to speak?

[Cordz2]

Ins
Brad Hill
Ben King
Tomlinson
second rounder
Third rounder

Outs:
Carlisle
Steven
Webster
Newnes
DMac
Pick 6
First rounder next year


Retire:
Longer
McCartin
Armo

Keep everyone else including Pierce and rookies.

I could deal with that outcome

[To the top]

When you are assembling a side from nothing, and we are building from nothing post the retirements of Fisher, Montagna and Riewoldt (who of class was left after those 3 retired following on the retirement of Hayes and others?) the one thing you do NOT do is trade out those you have assembled as the core of your side going forward (so particularly your First Round Draft Picks and players traded in where we only number Carlisle and Hannebery (the remainder of those we have recruited from other sides have come to St Kilda for playing opportunity)

You look to build - not chop and change

We simply do not have the player resources to trade for players - we have to build using Draft Picks and Free Agency players

Plus we have to build depth - particularly across certain demographics of our List

To me at least, to talk up a player who is a Seconds player at Geelong is a nonsense

With all due respect he is a Seconds player for a reason

We need to add class - so if we can get Hill for our First Round Draft Pick then we do that (because we are addressing a demographic deficiency with a known commodity - with class)

In regards our Rucks, we go for a known commodity - or 2 - in the Draft

They will be there

With the other King it will be up to him IF he wants to join his brother (noting that in footy there is no romance so don’t be seduced)

The real driver of improvement will be generic - because the very great majority of our Round 1 2020 side are already on our List - we will only be adding 1 or 2 not half a side

So those 1 or 2 need to be CLASS - and established class

Some of the projected 2020 sides on here hust do not cut the mustard - they include players who are the problem, have been the problem and who we need to move on from

[fugazi]

When you are assembling a side from nothing, and we are building from nothing post the retirements of Fisher, Montagna and Riewoldt (who of class was left after those 3 retired following on the retirement of Hayes and others?) the one thing you do NOT do is trade out those you have assembled as the core of your side going forward (so particularly your First Round Draft Picks and players traded in where we only number Carlisle and Hannebery (the remainder of those we have recruited from other sides have come to St Kilda for playing opportunity)

You look to build - not chop and change

We simply do not have the player resources to trade for players - we have to build using Draft Picks and Free Agency players

Plus we have to build depth - particularly across certain demographics of our List

To me at least, to talk up a player who is a Seconds player at Geelong is a nonsense

With all due respect he is a Seconds player for a reason

We need to add class - so if we can get Hill for our First Round Draft Pick then we do that (because we are addressing a demographic deficiency with a known commodity - with class)

In regards our Rucks, we go for a known commodity - or 2 - in the Draft

They will be there

With the other King it will be up to him IF he wants to join his brother (noting that in footy there is no romance so don’t be seduced)

The real driver of improvement will be generic - because the very great majority of our Round 1 2020 side are already on our List - we will only be adding 1 or 2 not half a side

So those 1 or 2 need to be CLASS - and established class

Some of the projected 2020 sides on here hust do not cut the mustard - they include players who are the problem, have been the problem and who we need to move on from

Constable has a few aging stars in front of him, a bit like Tom Mitchell did at Swans when he was racking up stats in the NEAFL week after week.
I would be OK with him for Steven.

[older saint]

INs FOR OUTs
12,14 FOR Pick 5
B.King, 55, 87 FOR Pick 14, Bruce & Newnes
B.Hill, 68, 80 FOR Pick 12 & Acres & McKenzie
C.Constable FOR Steven
T.Goldstein FOR FA
Tomlinson FOR FA
S.Hill FOR FA

Would want more than Constable for Steven . 4 time B & F , yes 30 but a definite B+ to A grade player when fit for a younger guy who cant get a game week in week out at Geelong. ??

Newness FA so can walk anywhere
Hill close to AA so 12 and Acres you suggest would be close but doubt they want McKenzie's contract.
Goldstein to join Steven at Geelong.