Have the Saints lost a player we actually wanted since Brendan Goddard?

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

Curious question. Sure some Saints history buffs would know this. I believe Goddard left at the end of 2011. Has the club actually lost anyone to another club that we actually wanted since around then? Anyone of real value?

Noticed big Clav and Paton signed on yesterday until 2020. I reckon the club has done a super job the past 5 years retaining our best players and youth. Some will hate the fact, but obviously Richo must get on with the boys pretty well and players are quite happy at the Saints. Just an observation.

[Saint wagga]

Goddard left at the end of 2012! We should have kept him, macevoy, dal...hindsight is a wonderful thing but over the last 5 years, it’s become obvious that it is near impossible to sell the farm. Put all ur eggs in the draft basket and remain competitive with no quality senior players...I said at the time of all those guys going, who was pushing them out, there was knowone putting there hand up in the 2’s, our recruiting sucked. We could have kept our best players and still brought in early picks (not as many sure) but developed them with better players around them. Just my opinion. I believe none of Goddard, dal, macevoy, joey even wanted to leave or be retired when we let them go.

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

We probably let go a couple more senior players than we probably should have, but no one has ever actually wanted to leave since Goddard from memory.

[Joffa Burns]

Curious question. Sure some Saints history buffs would know this. I believe Goddard left at the end of 2011. Has the club actually lost anyone to another club that we actually wanted since around then? Anyone of real value?

Noticed big Clav and Paton signed on yesterday until 2020. I reckon the club has done a super job the past 5 years retaining our best players and youth. Some will hate the fact, but obviously Richo must get on with the boys pretty well and players are quite happy at the Saints. Just an observation.

Do clubs still have to pay 95% of salary cap?
Serious question, I don't know the answer.

If so, it is very fair to assume the saints are paying many players above industry worth given their output over the last few years, particularly 2018.

Would anyone leave if they were getting overs?
And really, other than a handful of players like Steven, Carslile, Gresham, etc, what club would seriously be interested in targeting our players?

Retaining players is great, but it is not going to move the club forward, we need to recruit more top end talent. This view is shared by the club as recruiting high end free agent talent was part of the 5 year plan and we have certainly made offers to Kelly, Shiel & Gaff by media reports.

Like business, if you maintain the status quo you are going backward.

[kosifantutti]

Hickey was the first player to be traded out since Stanley.
Either everyone is very happy or there is no interest in our players. Or both.

[SaintPav]

Believe it or not, I’m not trying to have a crack at Ted, just trying to follow the logic of the argument here. It reminds me of the point some have made over the last few years that our list has great depth. We just have a lot of players that can make the team, it doesn’t mean the list runs deep in quality.

Same theme here.

It’s a nonsequitur. ie nonsensical and illogical premise and does not follow.

[Whiskey]

Curious question. Sure some Saints history buffs would know this. I believe Goddard left at the end of 2011. Has the club actually lost anyone to another club that we actually wanted since around then? Anyone of real value?

Noticed big Clav and Paton signed on yesterday until 2020. I reckon the club has done a super job the past 5 years retaining our best players and youth. Some will hate the fact, but obviously Richo must get on with the boys pretty well and players are quite happy at the Saints. Just an observation.

Disagree. The club have been premature in many of their re - signings offering players who have played little to nil senior games multi year contracts. Similar to richo, why commit so early when player is not in any demand.
I think players stay because they are being paid significantly more than their worth at the saints because the list is so poor.

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

Or maybe the players are pretty happy, enjoy each other, like Richo and the club and can see themselves going forward together. Our players aren't on massive money besides probably 4 players. Its why we have shitloads of salary cap space.

[DJ Higgins]

Or maybe the players are pretty happy, enjoy each other, like Richo and the club and can see themselves going forward together. Our players aren't on massive money besides probably 4 players. Its why we have shitloads of salary cap space.

The reason they are happy is they are getting paid. They are probably very well aware that they wouldn't get contracts at most other clubs except those in QLD.
We have done well this year in culling list cloggers and yes there are more to go but great start. I am not expecting a great year next year but I think a corner will be turned. Once the skills start improving and some players start to lift then we should notice a big improvement. Hanners will be interesting in his impact, Kent not so much as the ball has to get to him but I am really looking forward to seeing Rankin or Smith's impact.

[Mr Magic]

Cripps?

[ss1986]

When you finish 16th, have a team full of players you would readily trade out for a half eaten donut, apart from a very very few..... why would anyone even WANT our players?

Jack Steven is rated one of our finest - and yet Geelong seems to be the only club who have made some half-assed attempt at shaking him out.

We are sh*t, our list is sh*t, and it's no ACHIEVEMENT that we've been able to hang onto mediocre players who wouldn't get a game anywhere else. You have to be the most infuriating poster on this site. I'm negative..... you're deluded.

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

Geez, you're a real misery guts.

We have kept everyone we wanted since around Richo came onboard, established and our good crop of youngsters we have drafted the past 5 years. We nearly made the finals in both 16 and 17 so to say we don't have any good players is ridiculous.

The fact Roberton knocked back Hawthorn at the end of last season to sign on with the Saints is a classic example to prove my point. Plus we just signed 4 good kids in the last 48 hours as another example. Plenty more, but no they all want out and all hate Alan and the club. Lol!

[Whiskey]

Geez, you're a real misery guts.

We have kept everyone we wanted since around Richo came onboard, established and our good crop of youngsters we have drafted the past 5 years. We nearly made the finals in both 16 and 17 so to say we don't have any good players is ridiculous.

The fact Roberton knocked back Hawthorn at the end of last season to sign on with the Saints is a classic example to prove my point. Plus we just signed 4 good kids in the last 48 hours as another example. Plenty more, but no they all want out and all hate Alan and the club. Lol!

Hold on. These good kids havent really shown much yet... roberton would get paid double here than he would at hawthorn, and nearly making the finals??? So what?

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

So what what? They are only 2 examples.

Compare us to Port Adelaide and Adelaide for example, they have players that can't wait to get out of the joints. The Suns and GWS...geez.

The Saints have done a very good job in retaining key and emerging talent. Its laid it front of us for all to see like a Sushi Train in China Town. We haven't had a bit of sushi that we wanted derail for many seasons now. Toot toot!

[bigred]

Could it also be said that maybe it is easy being at St Kilda?

I mean, you can say that they have done a good job keeping players, and on face value they have. However are our guys under the pump as much as elsewhere?

Accountability can be managed poorly.

[dragit]

Anyone of real value?

I reckon the club has done a super job the past 5 years retaining our best players.

Hard to lose what you don't have.

Super job steering us to 16th and crippling our efforts to attract stars when we've been promising it for years.

Super stuff, bonuses all round.

[chico2001]

So what what? They are only 2 examples.

Compare us to Port Adelaide and Adelaide for example, they have players that can't wait to get out of the joints. The Suns and GWS...geez.

The Saints have done a very good job in retaining key and emerging talent. Its laid it front of us for all to see like a Sushi Train in China Town. We haven't had a bit of sushi that we wanted derail for many seasons now. Toot toot!

Those teams have players coming out of contract, a salary cap squeeze,want more money, a change of scenery after being at a club for years or are coming back to Victoria to be with family, Lynch, Polec, Hannebery just 3 examples and the differnce is that those players or the clubs such as Sydney, PA and GWS have been playing finals. So to try and make out that the saints retention list implies some sort of bearing on success is wrong. AS one poster pointed out , a fair percentage of the saints players would not get a game at those clubs ......maybe at the Suns. You have what you have................

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

No one has wanted to leave our club. End of story.

[skeptic]

No one has wanted to leave our club. End of story.

You don’t know that though... what you know is that the club has managed to keep them. It’s not the same.

Hypothetically, Jack Lonie staying after he wanted out, looked around and got no better offers does go hand in hand with your argument

Apparently Longer was set to sign with the Cats too

If you’re going with the “end of story” argument then you have to back step away from the backing you’re giving the coach because - 16th place finish and no finals in 5 years... end of story.

You either look deeply or not but can’t have it one way when it suits your argument and another when it doesn’t.

We’ve all had enough of that with SCSO and his “it’s only wins that matter vs beating the opposition ruck matters most” BS when using bias to rate the rucks

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

You for one agree then. The club has done a very good job of re-signing and retaining players we want.

[PADDLEPOP1001]

I’m not liking the fact that Gresh won’t sign on any further than 2019!

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

How do you know that?
Maybe they are working on an extension and new contract for Jade. Plenty of players don't sign early.

[skeptic]

You for one agree then. The club has done a very good job of re-signing and retaining players we want.

Some of which ONLY we want apparently

[dragit]

You for one agree then. The club has done a very good job of re-signing and retaining players we want.

They did a smashing job extending richo too.

Thanks Matt

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

This is about player retention which the club has been very goood at, not Richo and Finnis.

Funny how they always seem to creep into unrelated threads from the same posters.