How Important Is It To Beat WCE?
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How Important Is It To Beat WCE?
Of course every game we play is important.
It's only round 2 and the season has a long way to go but......We really need to beat the Weagles or at least get mighty close.
If we're going to be serious contenders, we must be able to win interstate. Certainly last year, we couldn't and didn't. It was a major flaw in our game plan.
And fresh from taking a midfield hammering from the Dees we head to Perth which has traditionally been a graveyard for us.
Our season is not derailed if we lose.
I am not suggesting that for one moment
But my confidence in our abilities will be compromised if we lose and cop a hiding.
So we have every incentive (I would have thought) to go out and get the job done. Or if we can't quite get it done, show some fight and some purpose with a scoreline that reflects our endeavours.
Under those circumstances, losing would be no disgrace. Winning is better. Obviously. It could a defining moment and the kick start we need to get us back on track.
But if we lose, it will be a question of how we lost and whether it proves we still haven't figured out why we can't win away from Etihad.
This team has to give us a reason to believe. Well here is their chance. Let's all hope they don't drop the ball. On the road. Again.
It's only round 2 and the season has a long way to go but......We really need to beat the Weagles or at least get mighty close.
If we're going to be serious contenders, we must be able to win interstate. Certainly last year, we couldn't and didn't. It was a major flaw in our game plan.
And fresh from taking a midfield hammering from the Dees we head to Perth which has traditionally been a graveyard for us.
Our season is not derailed if we lose.
I am not suggesting that for one moment
But my confidence in our abilities will be compromised if we lose and cop a hiding.
So we have every incentive (I would have thought) to go out and get the job done. Or if we can't quite get it done, show some fight and some purpose with a scoreline that reflects our endeavours.
Under those circumstances, losing would be no disgrace. Winning is better. Obviously. It could a defining moment and the kick start we need to get us back on track.
But if we lose, it will be a question of how we lost and whether it proves we still haven't figured out why we can't win away from Etihad.
This team has to give us a reason to believe. Well here is their chance. Let's all hope they don't drop the ball. On the road. Again.
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Re: How Important Is It To Beat WCE?
how important is it not to get our hopes up and overate ourselves.
this way you will emotionally be able to cope with this weekend.
this way you will emotionally be able to cope with this weekend.
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Re: How Important Is It To Beat WCE?
130 point loss on the cards.
The team is slow, undisciplined, unskilled and deflated.
Coaches are clueless, deluded, unimaginative and stubborn.
If the team had regrouped at halftime and reduced the damage, there would be hope.
Halftime is where you make a commitment.
The team is slow, undisciplined, unskilled and deflated.
Coaches are clueless, deluded, unimaginative and stubborn.
If the team had regrouped at halftime and reduced the damage, there would be hope.
Halftime is where you make a commitment.
A real Sainter will pledge allegiance to the ❤ and despise the Pies, the Blues, and the Injectors.
Remember one of the 10 Commandments : Thou shalt have no other team before thee
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Having "supporters" like you is the biggest liability the club has.WellardSaint wrote:130 point loss on the cards.
The team is slow, undisciplined, unskilled and deflated.
Coaches are clueless, deluded, unimaginative and stubborn.
If the team had regrouped at halftime and reduced the damage, there would be hope.
Halftime is where you make a commitment.
You live in WA -why don't you support wet toast and give as all a lift!
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Re: How Important Is It To Beat WCE?
Contenders for what?
We won't win the flag this year. Well, it's highly unlikely- even prior to round 1.
We won't win the flag this year. Well, it's highly unlikely- even prior to round 1.
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Re: How Important Is It To Beat WCE?
As long as the club acts as a sheltered workshop for unskilledlongtimesaint wrote:Having "supporters" like you is the biggest liability the club has.WellardSaint wrote:130 point loss on the cards.
The team is slow, undisciplined, unskilled and deflated.
Coaches are clueless, deluded, unimaginative and stubborn.
If the team had regrouped at halftime and reduced the damage, there would be hope.
Halftime is where you make a commitment.
You live in WA -why don't you support wet toast and give as all a lift!
no-hopers like Gilbert and Geary, they are doomed to failure.
A real Sainter will pledge allegiance to the ❤ and despise the Pies, the Blues, and the Injectors.
Remember one of the 10 Commandments : Thou shalt have no other team before thee
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Re: How Important Is It To Beat WCE?
It takes one to know one!WellardSaint wrote:As long as the club acts as a sheltered workshop for unskilledlongtimesaint wrote:Having "supporters" like you is the biggest liability the club has.WellardSaint wrote:130 point loss on the cards.
The team is slow, undisciplined, unskilled and deflated.
Coaches are clueless, deluded, unimaginative and stubborn.
If the team had regrouped at halftime and reduced the damage, there would be hope.
Halftime is where you make a commitment.
You live in WA -why don't you support wet toast and give as all a lift!
no-hopers like Gilbert and Geary, they are doomed to failure.
One year will be our year
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Re: How Important Is It To Beat WCE?
And that's his good points!Choppa wrote:Wellardsaint is clueless, deluded, unimaginative and stubborn.
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Considering it's statistically important to be in the eight given it rarely changes after Round 8 it's kind of important. At this stage, I'm throwing it out there that we'll be 4-4 and banging on the door after round 8. Pretty much exactly where we're at. Hopefully we keep getting better as the season goes on.
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Having looked our fixture for the first ten rounds, I think we could very well be 2-8 by the bye.prwilkinson wrote:Considering it's statistically important to be in the eight given it rarely changes after Round 8 it's kind of important. At this stage, I'm throwing it out there that we'll be 4-4 and banging on the door after round 8. Pretty much exactly where we're at. Hopefully we keep getting better as the season goes on.
Until we have an administration that demands success and a playing group that bleeds for the guernsey, St. Kilda will just be a sh*tty football club.
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That would put us bottom four -don't you think that is an overreaction to the round 1 loss?SydneySainter wrote:Having looked our fixture for the first ten rounds, I think we could very well be 2-8 by the bye.prwilkinson wrote:Considering it's statistically important to be in the eight given it rarely changes after Round 8 it's kind of important. At this stage, I'm throwing it out there that we'll be 4-4 and banging on the door after round 8. Pretty much exactly where we're at. Hopefully we keep getting better as the season goes on.
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It's super important to win. West Coast aren't an unbeatable powerhouse and we should be thinking we can beat them, especially if we get some old school rebound after a rocket from the coach.
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It probably is, but I do think that we have one of weakest midfields in the comp and seeing as we're coming up against the Eagles, Cats, Hawks, Giants, Pies, Swans and Dogs prior to the bye, it's hard to see how our midfield will get on top, especially when the Dees have already exposed our blatant weakness.longtimesaint wrote:That would put us bottom four -don't you think that is an overreaction to the round 1 loss?SydneySainter wrote:Having looked our fixture for the first ten rounds, I think we could very well be 2-8 by the bye.prwilkinson wrote:Considering it's statistically important to be in the eight given it rarely changes after Round 8 it's kind of important. At this stage, I'm throwing it out there that we'll be 4-4 and banging on the door after round 8. Pretty much exactly where we're at. Hopefully we keep getting better as the season goes on.
Until we have an administration that demands success and a playing group that bleeds for the guernsey, St. Kilda will just be a sh*tty football club.
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Yeah... all fair points. 4 - 4 from me is maintaining a positive outlook.... things could easily slip away after a couple of thumpings and zero confidence.SydneySainter wrote:It probably is, but I do think that we have one of weakest midfields in the comp and seeing as we're coming up against the Eagles, Cats, Hawks, Giants, Pies, Swans and Dogs prior to the bye, it's hard to see how our midfield will get on top, especially when the Dees have already exposed our blatant weakness.longtimesaint wrote:That would put us bottom four -don't you think that is an overreaction to the round 1 loss?SydneySainter wrote:Having looked our fixture for the first ten rounds, I think we could very well be 2-8 by the bye.prwilkinson wrote:Considering it's statistically important to be in the eight given it rarely changes after Round 8 it's kind of important. At this stage, I'm throwing it out there that we'll be 4-4 and banging on the door after round 8. Pretty much exactly where we're at. Hopefully we keep getting better as the season goes on.
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No rooey or armo for this weekend... I'm going to be hiding under the couch cushions with one eye on the television watching this one. Does anyone know how many times St Kilda have beaten West Coast at Subiaco?
And another quick little winge.... Every F**KING season... 2 trips to Adelaide and Subiaco... How many times have we even played Port Adelaide in Melbourne since '97... 5???? Good old AFL.....
And another quick little winge.... Every F**KING season... 2 trips to Adelaide and Subiaco... How many times have we even played Port Adelaide in Melbourne since '97... 5???? Good old AFL.....
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Realistically, we're at long odds. I'd even suggest that subconsciously, you'd look at the draw and conceded this one and hope to limit the damage. In practice, the coach can use this week as extra motivation. Poor showing last week, seemingly impossible task this week, externally written off, cokeheads a little overconfident perhaps. It is a bit of old-fashioned "us against them" psychology, but it is not entirely out of place. As long as the coaches determine what went wrong in the gameplan execution and tactics last week and work hard to correct it, I think we'll be competitive. If we lose, it's no biggy. 0-2 is not a disaster. Several other favourites for the finals could be facing the same scenario. With the filth and Brisbane to come at our home in the following fortnight, we should be able to balance the ledger by round 4.
As for being 2-8 at the bye, I sincerely doubt that will be the case. Remember, last year we were 4-7 at the half way mark and missed on percentage only. The competition will be very even this year, with only Brisbane and Carlton having no hope of making the eight. Twelve wins with a healthy percentage should be enough to get you in. I'd be rapt to get into the finals, get at least one under our belt and launch for 2018, which is when I think we'll be due. Anyway, way too early for some of this speculation. If we win on the weekend, we'll be back to dreaming of premierships, not doom. As I stated earlier, stay calm and carry on. At ease, as you were etc.
As for being 2-8 at the bye, I sincerely doubt that will be the case. Remember, last year we were 4-7 at the half way mark and missed on percentage only. The competition will be very even this year, with only Brisbane and Carlton having no hope of making the eight. Twelve wins with a healthy percentage should be enough to get you in. I'd be rapt to get into the finals, get at least one under our belt and launch for 2018, which is when I think we'll be due. Anyway, way too early for some of this speculation. If we win on the weekend, we'll be back to dreaming of premierships, not doom. As I stated earlier, stay calm and carry on. At ease, as you were etc.
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Re: How Important Is It To Beat WCE?
I don't think we have one of the weakest midfields in the comp which view was on the basis of one loss.SydneySainter wrote:It probably is, but I do think that we have one of weakest midfields in the comp and seeing as we're coming up against the Eagles, Cats, Hawks, Giants, Pies, Swans and Dogs prior to the bye, it's hard to see how our midfield will get on top, especially when the Dees have already exposed our blatant weakness.longtimesaint wrote:That would put us bottom four -don't you think that is an overreaction to the round 1 loss?SydneySainter wrote:Having looked our fixture for the first ten rounds, I think we could very well be 2-8 by the bye.prwilkinson wrote:Considering it's statistically important to be in the eight given it rarely changes after Round 8 it's kind of important. At this stage, I'm throwing it out there that we'll be 4-4 and banging on the door after round 8. Pretty much exactly where we're at. Hopefully we keep getting better as the season goes on.
We were good enough to beat Cats, Pies, Dogs last year and should have beaten Hawks.
I am confident we will be 5-5 at the bye or better hopefully.
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After losing the 8 point game to Melbourne, if we do not win this one we are in significant trouble I think. Not from a ladder position, that can be rectified, not from a 'tilt at the flag' position, that will come - but from a morale and supporters position. We are aiming at 42K members - if we are 2-2 after a month of football looking towards 2-8 we are going to be hard pressed to sell any more memberships.
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Re: How Important Is It To Beat WCE?
I don't condone gambling but WCE are paying $1.16 for the win. That's a 16% ROI in less than a day.
Bank interest for a 3 month term deposit is around 2.5% p.a.
16% for WCE to win against a team that can't win interstate looks like a good option.
Bank interest for a 3 month term deposit is around 2.5% p.a.
16% for WCE to win against a team that can't win interstate looks like a good option.
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Your point about membership, SD, is crucial in all this. Round one loss? Normally no biggie from a football position, with nine others in the same boat and five worse off than us. However, the damage to the momentum of your membership drive is a biggie. A solid win over a fellow finals rival, one who is supposedly on the same trajectory as ourselves, would've confirmed our hopes and sense of optimism. The phones would've been running hot in the membership department this week. A loss, especially in such an ordinary manner, will have the ones we want to capture, the bandwagon jumpers, backing away and hedging their bets. Losses like that can cost you 1-2K members. That translates into a lot of cash and has flow on effects into all sorts of other areas. Even a close, heroic loss wouldn't have been as much of a potential momentum killer.Sainter_Dad wrote:After losing the 8 point game to Melbourne, if we do not win this one we are in significant trouble I think. Not from a ladder position, that can be rectified, not from a 'tilt at the flag' position, that will come - but from a morale and supporters position. We are aiming at 42K members - if we are 2-2 after a month of football looking towards 2-8 we are going to be hard pressed to sell any more memberships.
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eagles 5%SydneySainter wrote:Having looked our fixture for the first ten rounds, I think we could very well be 2-8 by the bye.prwilkinson wrote:Considering it's statistically important to be in the eight given it rarely changes after Round 8 it's kind of important. At this stage, I'm throwing it out there that we'll be 4-4 and banging on the door after round 8. Pretty much exactly where we're at. Hopefully we keep getting better as the season goes on.
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i make us as favourites in two games and equal in one.
by percentage 38% so four wins a possibility. i'll go with three. be very happy with four.
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I was actually thinking about this during the match. Reminded me of Rooey's 300th. One of the VERY few times a half decent home crowd has shown up in 5 years and the players serve up that shite. It's not a good look.White Winmar wrote:Your point about membership, SD, is crucial in all this. Round one loss? Normally no biggie from a football position, with nine others in the same boat and five worse off than us. However, the damage to the momentum of your membership drive is a biggie. A solid win over a fellow finals rival, one who is supposedly on the same trajectory as ourselves, would've confirmed our hopes and sense of optimism. The phones would've been running hot in the membership department this week. A loss, especially in such an ordinary manner, will have the ones we want to capture, the bandwagon jumpers, backing away and hedging their bets. Losses like that can cost you 1-2K members. That translates into a lot of cash and has flow on effects into all sorts of other areas. Even a close, heroic loss wouldn't have been as much of a potential momentum killer.Sainter_Dad wrote:After losing the 8 point game to Melbourne, if we do not win this one we are in significant trouble I think. Not from a ladder position, that can be rectified, not from a 'tilt at the flag' position, that will come - but from a morale and supporters position. We are aiming at 42K members - if we are 2-2 after a month of football looking towards 2-8 we are going to be hard pressed to sell any more memberships.
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Re: How Important Is It To Beat WCE?
30 degree heat, against a team with a superior midfield. No Riewoldt. The outcome is fairly obvious, I would think.