Darcy Parish

[8856brother]

Needs it's own thread so people can understand once and for all he was not available with the pick we traded to the cheats. Simple. It's bad enough listening to uninformed journos bringing it up but surely our own supporters get it. It's getting as bad as the Lee for 12 garbage that keeps getting stated as fact. We couldn't have had him if we kept pick 5. That pick turned into 6 and he was gone at 5.

Thanks for your time.

[dragit]

It's a good point... However I do wonder about the merits of scrapping a few extra wins last year to finish above Essendon...

Our list is complete shambles but we were able to eek out a few extra wins because we've held onto a few fading stars... We're kidding ourselves if we are thinking about finals at the moment so the focus should be on development over an extra win or two for the year.

Just as well we delisted gwilt, or we'd have nearly the same backline that we did 6 years ago... With an average age of 31.

Let's get a serious look at Lee, Mckenzie, Acres, Minchington and more games into Goddard... Heaven forbid we lose a game.

[8856brother]

Didn't Melbourne also win unexpectedly in the last round to jump ahead of us and give us a better pick?

[BigMart]

Darcy is just an example of High End talent, could use Milera or another top 10 as an example
Apparently we were into Parish before trading out, and that's why we initially balked at trading it out

[The Recruit]

Seriously the Parish for Carlise thing is ridiculous......we got Carlisle instead of these players

Aaron Francis
Jacob Hopper
Callum Ah Chee
Sam Weiderman
Harry Mackay
Wayne Milera
Charlie Curnow
Matthew Kennedy
Eric Hipwood
Daniel Rioli
Harrison Himmelberg
Tom Doedee

NOT DARCY PARISH! We had 0% chance of getting him

[Dr Spaceman]

Yes the Parish stuff just keeps coming up and some people just don't get it. Maybe it's the Academy thingy that's confusing it for them.

Let's simplify it a bit and simply ignore the bidding process.

In 2015 the Bombers finished one place below us and had the pick just before our one. In the Carlisle deal they secured up our pick. So now they had their initial pick, for finishing below us, and the next pick which had been ours (for finishing above them)

With their first pick they took Parish. This was the pick they always had. With their next pick, which originally was ours, they took Francis.

As many have stated, Parish was not available at the pick we had prior to the commencement of the trading period.

Hence we could not have got him regardless.

Move on

[Con Gorozidis]

Parish wasnt available but Wayne Milera and Callum Ah Chee would have been. We really really need Gresham, Carlisle and Freeman to be good for us in the longer run. If they arent we are stuffed. We invested heavily in these three. Even at pick 14 Darcy Tucker was available.

[saintsRrising]

Darcy is just an example of High End talent, could use Milera or another top 10 as an example

No logic to that at all. Milera was not rated as high as Parish.

You referred yesterday as pick 5 being Parish and got it wrong. So just admit it rather than post rubbish deflections. Otherwise you just sound like a StKilda recruiter.

[matrix]

Sad thing is all top three from that year have won a flag, we grabbed one of them in the draft and he won a flag with someone else

Only at st kilda could that happen

[Con Gorozidis]

Darcy is just an example of High End talent, could use Milera or another top 10 as an example

No logic to that at all. Milera was not rated as high as Parish.

You referred yesterday as pick 5 being Parish and got it wrong. So just admit it rather than post rubbish deflections. Otherwise you just sound like a StKilda recruiter.

By who? Plenty rated Milera highly. Didn't he kick 5 in the SANFL in the final round of last year? He also dominated the draft camp. Absolute gun.

[BigMart]

Wasn't parish pick 5 SR??

I realise about the academy picks

[The_President]

Darcy is just an example of High End talent, could use Milera or another top 10 as an example

No logic to that at all. Milera was not rated as high as Parish.

You referred yesterday as pick 5 being Parish and got it wrong. So just admit it rather than post rubbish deflections. Otherwise you just sound like a StKilda recruiter.

By who? Plenty rated Milera highly. Didn't he kick 5 in the SANFL in the final round of last year? He also dominated the draft camp. Absolute gun.

Have you applied to be on our recruitment team?
You're knowledge of players we could've picked is fantastic. If we harness that we might have the best list ever.

[sunsaint]

Move on

It is also pure speculation that with only one pick EFC would have taken Parish anyway - they may have gone for "immediate needs/future needs" Aaron Francis
we simply will never know - EITHER way

the fact remains the Saints have paid a heavy price for a pick that was at one point defiantly claimed to be off the table

[saintsRrising]

Move on

It is also pure speculation that with only one pick EFC would have taken Parish anyway - they may have gone for "immediate needs/future needs" Aaron Francis
we simply will never know - EITHER way

the fact remains the Saints have paid a heavy price for a pick that was at one point defiantly claimed to be off the table

Any pick is tradable. When we had No 1 we were certainly hawking it around if the price was right.

I think it was more that a direct trade of 5 for Carlisle was not on. Though yes the club certainly seemed to give more.

Adrian Dodoro said the club would expect at least St Kilda's first-round selection as compensation for losing Carlisle.

But St Kilda counterpart Ameet Bains said his club would reject those demands, declaring the club's pick No.5 would not be put on the trade table in exchange for Carlisle.

"Not at this point in time," Bains told reporters outside Etihad Stadium.

"But there are a couple of weeks to come to an agreement on what the trade can look like.

"Getting a good player out of another club always presents its challenges. Essendon said it wants our pick No.5 – our expectations may be a bit different."

[The Recruit]

Move on

It is also pure speculation that with only one pick EFC would have taken Parish anyway - they may have gone for "immediate needs/future needs" Aaron Francis
we simply will never know - EITHER way

the fact remains the Saints have paid a heavy price for a pick that was at one point defiantly claimed to be off the table

Garbage..they were always getting Parish

[sunsaint]

Move on

It is also pure speculation that with only one pick EFC would have taken Parish anyway - they may have gone for "immediate needs/future needs" Aaron Francis
we simply will never know - EITHER way

the fact remains the Saints have paid a heavy price for a pick that was at one point defiantly claimed to be off the table

Garbage..they were always getting Parish

whatever helps you sleep at night
the fact is if EFC had only one pick many mock drafts had Francis ahead of Parish because of his size and multi role skills
and if not for Weitering the next best defender / midfield that might have gone top three - (plugs a hole left by the carlisle loss)
selections are always dynamic so we will never know what essendon would have done

Perhaps the main point for this thread should be really about its now water under the bridge now & we have made our bed and its a bit stinky at this stage.

[Mr Magic]

Move on

It is also pure speculation that with only one pick EFC would have taken Parish anyway - they may have gone for "immediate needs/future needs" Aaron Francis
we simply will never know - EITHER way

the fact remains the Saints have paid a heavy price for a pick that was at one point defiantly claimed to be off the table

Garbage..they were always getting Parish

whatever helps you sleep at night
the fact is if EFC had only one pick many mock drafts had Francis ahead of Parish because of his size and multi role skills
and if not for Weitering the next best defender / midfield that might have gone top three - (plugs a hole left by the carlisle loss)
selections are always dynamic so we will never know what essendon would have done

Perhaps the main point for this thread should be really about its now water under the bridge now & we have made our bed and its a bit stinky at this stage.

So because they received our pick (the one after theirs) EFC changed the order of their drafting and picked Parish earlier than Francis?
Is that what you're trying to say?
They downgraded their top priority to name their 'second' priority in an attempt to do what?
The equivalent of us naming Kosi at #1 and Roo at @2

I would have thought that it would be fair to state that EFC rated Parish ahead of Francis and any attempts by posters to definitively state the opposite is purely trying to convince everyone that the sun rises In the west and sets in the east.

It's, IMHO, just patent nonsense.

EFC chose Parish at 5 and Francis at 6 (with the pick they got from us).
They (and only they) decided Parish was ahead of Francis
Just like we chose Roo before Kosi
and Hawthorn chose Boughead before Buddy.

[Teflon]

It's a good point... However I do wonder about the merits of scrapping a few extra wins last year to finish above Essendon...

Our list is complete shambles but we were able to eek out a few extra wins because we've held onto a few fading stars... We're kidding ourselves if we are thinking about finals at the moment so the focus should be on development over an extra win or two for the year.

Just as well we delisted gwilt, or we'd have nearly the same backline that we did 6 years ago... With an average age of 31.

Let's get a serious look at Lee, Mckenzie, Acres, Minchington and more games into Goddard... Heaven forbid we lose a game.

I'm torn.....

[Con Gorozidis]

Darcy is just an example of High End talent, could use Milera or another top 10 as an example

No logic to that at all. Milera was not rated as high as Parish.

You referred yesterday as pick 5 being Parish and got it wrong. So just admit it rather than post rubbish deflections. Otherwise you just sound like a StKilda recruiter.

By who? Plenty rated Milera highly. Didn't he kick 5 in the SANFL in the final round of last year? He also dominated the draft camp. Absolute gun.

Have you applied to be on our recruitment team?
You're knowledge of players we could've picked is fantastic. If we harness that we might have the best list ever.

What? I have never claimed to have any knowledge of young players. None. I just said Milera was highly rated by all those who do mock drafts in the media and that he dominated the draft camp. Are you refuting that he dominated the draft camp? This is an objective proven fact.
You keep looking for a fight and playing the man- and you keep spinning crap to manufacture one. I have no idea about young players - but lots of other people rated Milera highly and it is a fact he kicked 5 in the SANFL (seniors), then 3 in a SANFL final (seniors) and a fact he dominated draft camp testing. I merely commented that others rated him - I never claimed personal knowledge. There is a difference.



http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-21/3 ... yne-milera

Milera averaged a goal a game for Central's senior team, and across the under-18 carnival his disposal efficiency was among the best at 84 per cent. He proved he has strong endurance at the NAB AFL Draft Combine by running a 10:30 three-kilometre time trial, and his time of 24.61 seconds in the repeat sprint placed him in the top-10.

[Con Gorozidis]

For the record - I dont think there is any point reviewing the 2015 draft until we have seen Carlisle play out a full season and given Gresh 2-3 years development.

[sunsaint]

It's, IMHO, just patent nonsense.

no what is patent nonsense - comparing the prestige of pick 1(2) to pick 5(6)

So once again: many draft pundits had Francis ahead of Parish and clearly it makes no difference to EFC with picks 5 & 6 who they call first...
And in case it needs to be repeated - most clubs dont broadcast who they will pick (excluding father-son and academy) and choices are fluid as the draft progresses,
to argue differently is patent nonsense

[Dr Spaceman]

It's, IMHO, just patent nonsense.

no what is patent nonsense - comparing the prestige of pick 1(2) to pick 5(6)

So once again: many draft pundits had Francis ahead of Parish and clearly it makes no difference to EFC with picks 5 & 6 who they call first...
And in case it needs to be repeated - most clubs dont broadcast who they will pick (excluding father-son and academy) and choices are fluid as the draft progresses,
to argue differently is patent nonsense

But when posters refer to us keeping our pick and refer to Parish in the same breath, they are implying we should've gone down that path and got the kid. Apparently he's just the kid we really need.

We can hypothesize all we like about who Essendon would've selected with just one pick but the truth is we'll never know.

But to talk in terms of we should've flicked Carlisle and instead picked Parish really is patent nonsense.

[BigMart]

I don't think you should trade out your first pick, unless

You get a bonafide A Grade (must be proven) under 23

Or a highly rated pick of equal selection under 21

Anything else stinks of desperation.

Second rounders are what I'd be looking at for unprovens or inconsistence or baggage

[skeptic]

The fact still remains that a fit and firing Carlisle is exactly one of the things this club needs at the moment.

He would slot right in

[dragit]

A couple less stop gaps like savage & Weller and we'd prob have weitering...