Compassionate Malthouse Extends a Helping Hand

[Sainternist]

Well, I'll be damned! Perhaps his time in retirement has helped stabilise him philosophically and he's figured that being remembered as a jerk isn't the way to go.

I, for one, would like to see Jake Carlisle involved in something like this, as opposed to being left to his own devices, during his year ban:

MICK Malthouse wants to help the banned Essendon players avoid the "lifetime penalty" that befell former Saint Ahmed Saad.

The VFL/AFL coaching games record holder said training in isolation, as Saad did when suspended for an anti-doping violation, was risky as it could give players "a false dawn".

Malthouse told radio station SEN that Saad, who played just four senior games in 2015, could never return to where he was before his suspension because of his time away from the game.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-02-15/m ... me-penalty

[saintbrat]

Not so much - he and Buttifant have set up a company to provide fitness

[Sainternist]

Not so much - he and Buttifant have set up a company to provide fitness

So perhaps he is more opportunistic than compassionate?

[saintbrat]

Yes , kick start for the business, 12/ 16 instant referrals

[IanRush]

Perhaps the AFL will set up that non-WADA sanctioned Rebel League, with this 19th team as the test case?

[Bluthy]

I read this and my first thought was this is not such a crazy idea. Even if they just had a semi-regular 3 day a week loose thing it would help create a psuedo-club environment to help players be focused and accountable. I know a lot here hate Malthouse, but I think he has a lot of knowledge and wisdom he could pass on. He is renown for being able to connect with players and help them find their own confidence and inner steel - something Jake could really benefit from.

But...there is no way the clubs or AFL could pay for it - surely they would breech the sanction that the players can't be involved with the league other than as a spectator. You could try and do a sneaky and say to Jake pay for it yourself and we will bump your salary up next year to cover it. But really the players should pay for it themselves anyway what would it cost them $5000 or so each?

The other big issue though is if the clubs would want this. Jake was still on a restricted training regime to protect his knee and we don't know how long they wanted it that way or what their ramp up plan was. What if they run intense drills that might stress his knee before its ready. And I think he's also had back issues. Malthouse won't have that sort of in depth injury data on each player to tailor a training load accordingly.

And head coaches are notoriously protective about their players being "influenced" by outside coaches *cough* Lyon - leave Rooey alone Grant *cough*. Coaches spend a great deal of energy and time in embedding a unique game plan in players from year 1 and they don't want other plans complicating things for players who are by and large simple creatures. Do we want Jake to come back always kicking the ball along the wings?

[mr six o'clock]

Not so much - he and Buttifant have set up a company to provide fitness

So perhaps he is more opportunistic than compassionate?

Exactly !
that's malthouse to a tee
Said of Ratten's team at the time , he'd have them playing for a flag . Got the chance ," How'd you go Mick !"

Lets be honest Saad was an average player when we got him , came back the same .
Perhaps if he was younger we may of persisted with him , but at his age it was time to give another kid the opportunity .
That's the cutthroat nature of the game .
Only a small percentage of players drafted play more than 100 games .

[tony74]

Well, I'll be damned! Perhaps his time in retirement has helped stabilise him philosophically and he's figured that being remembered as a jerk isn't the way to go.

I, for one, would like to see Jake Carlisle involved in something like this, as opposed to being left to his own devices, during his year ban:

MICK Malthouse wants to help the banned Essendon players avoid the "lifetime penalty" that befell former Saint Ahmed Saad.

The VFL/AFL coaching games record holder said training in isolation, as Saad did when suspended for an anti-doping violation, was risky as it could give players "a false dawn".

Malthouse told radio station SEN that Saad, who played just four senior games in 2015, could never return to where he was before his suspension because of his time away from the game.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-02-15/m ... me-penalty

I can assure you he won't be left to his own devices. There's always a way.

[Bluthy]

I can assure you he won't be left to his own devices. There's always a way.

By snapchat? That deletes itself. Well it should...

[Sainternist]

I read this and my first thought was this is not such a crazy idea. Even if they just had a semi-regular 3 day a week loose thing it would help create a psuedo-club environment to help players be focused and accountable. I know a lot here hate Malthouse, but I think he has a lot of knowledge and wisdom he could pass on. He is renown for being able to connect with players and help them find their own confidence and inner steel - something Jake could really benefit from.

But...there is no way the clubs or AFL could pay for it - surely they would breech the sanction that the players can't be involved with the league other than as a spectator. You could try and do a sneaky and say to Jake pay for it yourself and we will bump your salary up next year to cover it. But really the players should pay for it themselves anyway what would it cost them $5000 or so each?

The other big issue though is if the clubs would want this. Jake was still on a restricted training regime to protect his knee and we don't know how long they wanted it that way or what their ramp up plan was. What if they run intense drills that might stress his knee before its ready. And I think he's also had back issues. Malthouse won't have that sort of in depth injury data on each player to tailor a training load accordingly.

And head coaches are notoriously protective about their players being "influenced" by outside coaches *cough* Lyon - leave Rooey alone Grant *cough*. Coaches spend a great deal of energy and time in embedding a unique game plan in players from year 1 and they don't want other plans complicating things for players who are by and large simple creatures. Do we want Jake to come back always kicking the ball along the wings?

I'm with you, Bluthy. The idea itself certainly isn't crazy.

I guess we'll wait and see how the clubs involved will view it. As you said, it could be too hot to handle in that it may be of breech of the jurisdiction handed out. It would be nice to know Jake Carlisle was going to do his utmost in going it alone and training his heart out for 2017. Hearing him say that he was going to just work in construction didn't restore a lot of confidence in how he spends his downtime for me.

[Dis Believer]

I'd be surprised if any suspended players don't employ the services of some sort of fitness/conditioning person. I would be even more surprised if that person does not seek "professional input" about their client's program from a professional colleague (say one who just happens to be in the employ of an AFL club) over a casual coffee and catch up.....

[dragit]

I'd prefer the weapon or Ivan Milat.

[Dr Spaceman]

I'd prefer the weapon or Ivan Milat.

Well Carlisle's more of a back pocket than a backpacker. so he should be okay with the latter

[The_Merchant]

I read this and my first thought was this is not such a crazy idea. Even if they just had a semi-regular 3 day a week loose thing it would help create a psuedo-club environment to help players be focused and accountable. I know a lot here hate Malthouse, but I think he has a lot of knowledge and wisdom he could pass on. He is renown for being able to connect with players and help them find their own confidence and inner steel - something Jake could really benefit from.

But...there is no way the clubs or AFL could pay for it - surely they would breech the sanction that the players can't be involved with the league other than as a spectator. You could try and do a sneaky and say to Jake pay for it yourself and we will bump your salary up next year to cover it. But really the players should pay for it themselves anyway what would it cost them $5000 or so each?

The other big issue though is if the clubs would want this. Jake was still on a restricted training regime to protect his knee and we don't know how long they wanted it that way or what their ramp up plan was. What if they run intense drills that might stress his knee before its ready. And I think he's also had back issues. Malthouse won't have that sort of in depth injury data on each player to tailor a training load accordingly.

And head coaches are notoriously protective about their players being "influenced" by outside coaches *cough* Lyon - leave Rooey alone Grant *cough*. Coaches spend a great deal of energy and time in embedding a unique game plan in players from year 1 and they don't want other plans complicating things for players who are by and large simple creatures. Do we want Jake to come back always kicking the ball along the wings?

I would think that financing would be the biggest difficulty here. It would cost significantly more than $5000 per player, even if all 16 signed up. I would take a stab in the dark at $25k each but it could easily be more. Although that depends on the quality of coaching and fitness staff.

[mullet]

I'd prefer the weapon or Ivan Milat.

Well Carlisle's more of a back pocket than a backpacker. so he should be okay with the latter

Reckon I'd be pretty fit if training with Ivan. I'd run like buggery to get away from him. He is my worst nightmare

[IanRush]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/m ... 46ac2cea72

UPDATE: MICK Malthouse has met with banned Essendon stars after revealing he wants to help train some of the 34 Dons in their year away from footy.

[ripplug66]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/m ... 46ac2cea72

UPDATE: MICK Malthouse has met with banned Essendon stars after revealing he wants to help train some of the 34 Dons in their year away from footy.

Good. Any help is the best thing for all. As pointed out by someone else the penalty finishes in September so they have every right to be ready to go day one.

[Bluthy]

I read this and my first thought was this is not such a crazy idea. Even if they just had a semi-regular 3 day a week loose thing it would help create a psuedo-club environment to help players be focused and accountable. I know a lot here hate Malthouse, but I think he has a lot of knowledge and wisdom he could pass on. He is renown for being able to connect with players and help them find their own confidence and inner steel - something Jake could really benefit from.

But...there is no way the clubs or AFL could pay for it - surely they would breech the sanction that the players can't be involved with the league other than as a spectator. You could try and do a sneaky and say to Jake pay for it yourself and we will bump your salary up next year to cover it. But really the players should pay for it themselves anyway what would it cost them $5000 or so each?

The other big issue though is if the clubs would want this. Jake was still on a restricted training regime to protect his knee and we don't know how long they wanted it that way or what their ramp up plan was. What if they run intense drills that might stress his knee before its ready. And I think he's also had back issues. Malthouse won't have that sort of in depth injury data on each player to tailor a training load accordingly.

And head coaches are notoriously protective about their players being "influenced" by outside coaches *cough* Lyon - leave Rooey alone Grant *cough*. Coaches spend a great deal of energy and time in embedding a unique game plan in players from year 1 and they don't want other plans complicating things for players who are by and large simple creatures. Do we want Jake to come back always kicking the ball along the wings?

I would think that financing would be the biggest difficulty here. It would cost significantly more than $5000 per player, even if all 16 signed up. I would take a stab in the dark at $25k each but it could easily be more. Although that depends on the quality of coaching and fitness staff.

$5000 times 16 players is $80,000. That is tonnes for a 6 month fitness program that would probably only be run 2 or 3 days a week or just the mornings. A lot of the players will be in Carlisle's boat and be working, studying or travelling. You're not trying to recreate an AFL club environment, just something that gives a bit of structure and psychological support.

[The_Merchant]

$5000 times 16 players is $80,000. That is tonnes for a 6 month fitness program that would probably only be run 2 or 3 days a week or just the mornings. A lot of the players will be in Carlisle's boat and be working, studying or travelling. You're not trying to recreate an AFL club environment, just something that gives a bit of structure and psychological support.

Just Malthouse himself would want more than that. To get any value out of it, you would want to run at least 3 sessions a week, plus a couple of weight sessions. You need a fitness coach, a weights coach, a football coach, a physio, probably a doctor and a few trainers. Then you have things like facility hire, equipment hire and a massive part of it would be insurance. We don't want our biggest investment of the last few years trying to imitate an afl training load without proper support and on a sketchy suburban ground where he is likely to do an ankle 10 minutes into his first session because of a dodgy strapping job.

Even if you got Malthouse for 3 x 2hr sessions a week, for 26 weeks, at what I would guess would be $400-500 per hour, you are pretty close to your 80k.

That being said the 16 blokes in question are on a combined income probably in the region of $5 million, they can probably stump up the few hundred thousand it would cost to get a decent setup going.

[dragit]

I'd prefer the weapon or Ivan Milat.

Well Carlisle's more of a back pocket than a backpacker. so he should be okay with the latter

Reckon I'd be pretty fit if training with Ivan. I'd run like buggery to get away from him. He is my worst nightmare

dragit's worst nightmare index (for a dinner-date)

1. Mick Malthouse

2. Tony Abbott

2. James Hird

3. Dwayne Russell

4. Ted Bundy

5. Ivan Milat

6. Robert Mugabe

7. Pol Pot

8. Adolf Hitler

9. Stinger

10. Clem Ford

[whiskers3614]

Mick suffering from relevance deprivation.
Hope he finds something to amuse himself,
would hate him to become the latest victim of "mental illness"!

[Sainternist]

I'd prefer the weapon or Ivan Milat.

Well Carlisle's more of a back pocket than a backpacker. so he should be okay with the latter

Reckon I'd be pretty fit if training with Ivan. I'd run like buggery to get away from him. He is my worst nightmare

dragit's worst nightmare index (for a dinner-date)

1. Mick Malthouse

2. Tony Abbott

2. James Hird

3. Dwayne Russell

4. Ted Bundy

5. Ivan Milat

6. Robert Mugabe

7. Pol Pot

8. Adolf Hitler

9. Stinger

10. Clem Ford

Wow, I wouldn't have thought the likes of Clementine Ford and Stinger would pose such a threat to be put alongside a psychopath coach, ruthless dictators, a half-witted former PM and serial killers.

[saintbrat]

compassionate Mick- = $1,5 million
halved with Butifant- =$750,000

even Robbo from Herald Sun suggested he THOUGHT- Mick was being generous.....

Suggests there is suggestion he may take the group to Arizona

they all don't need jobs as they are being paid- first mistake- they should all be looking for work... then add their fitness regime-- then they wont have time to dwell on it...

[st.byron]

I'd prefer the weapon or Ivan Milat.

Well Carlisle's more of a back pocket than a backpacker. so he should be okay with the latter

Reckon I'd be pretty fit if training with Ivan. I'd run like buggery to get away from him. He is my worst nightmare

dragit's worst nightmare index (for a dinner-date)

1. Mick Malthouse

2. Tony Abbott

2. James Hird

3. Dwayne Russell

4. Ted Bundy

5. Ivan Milat

6. Robert Mugabe

7. Pol Pot

8. Adolf Hitler

9. Stinger

10. Clem Ford

That's pretty funny dragit. Lovely eclectic list.