Who said anything about lack of effort? Think you are overreading the OPgringo wrote:I have no problem if we go down fighting by 10 goals if they were the better team. What I can't handle is deliberate lack of effort.
Seemed to have gone off on some strange tangent here but I will respond. A bit early to categorically say Bont is a better player than Billings. I heard the same thing years ago when Hawks took Hodge over Judd.gringo wrote: We weren't better off getting Billings over the Dogs who won a few more matches in the end and got Bontempelli, I'm not sure if many number 1 picks turn out any better than the other top 5 picks either.
Judd may well be the "better" player, but would the hawks fans swap him for Hodge?
Anyway this is a supposition that we somehow "tanked".
I would like to know the games where we didn't try. Even getting slaughtered by the hawks, they were trying. They were hopeless and got completely smashed, but I saw effort.
We were a genuine 18th placed team last year. probably as bad a team as I have seen at the Saints. We didn't need to tank.
Words to the effect or your intrepretion to suit your argument?gringo wrote:Tony has mentioned a few times words to the effect of us not really wanting to do well this year.
Classic straw man argument. Where is the lack of pride? All the young players who refused to sign last year? The efforts in the first two games this year, especially after so called experts predicted we wouldn't win a game this year?gringo wrote: Have some pride Saints, play hard and get free agents lining up not accept mediocrity in the hope of getting a priority pick. Plenty of coaches say it's very hard to come out of a losing culture.
Show me this "acceptance of mediocrity? Tell me where the team has not tried or made an effort.
I find your spurious assertions insulting not only to the players and administration, but to the supporters.
Really your post on this thread have been deplorable.
Unless you can show us the lack of effort, lack of pride, and accepting mediocrity, you are just sounding like a shoutey hysteric with nothing but empty platitudes and false assertions.