So the truth comes out why we didn't accept picks 4 and 7.

[SaintPav]

Yeah, City West...what a meverick..he's really out there..

[WinnersOnly]

In hindsight the Pelchin & Richardson will look back on this trade period and realise they got greedy and arrogant! There is no way Petracca will be more value to the team than both Lever & Ahern or Wright & Laverde. Carlton got Judd did that garuantee sucess, a short sighted and poor decision in my view.

[Saints94]

In hindsight the Pelchin & Richardson will look back on this trade period and realise they got greedy and arrogant! There is no way Petracca will be more value to the team than both Lever & Ahern or Wright & Laverde. Carlton got Judd did that garuantee sucess, a short sighted and poor decision in my view.

I have the same thoughts aswell, who knows Petracca could be anything & obviously they thought GWS would do anything to get there hands on pick 1 but 4 & 7 is a good offer, its just if they really wanted pick 21 back aswell then NO DEAL imo.

[magnifisaint]

In hindsight the Pelchin & Richardson will look back on this trade period and realise they got greedy and arrogant! There is no way Petracca will be more value to the team than both Lever & Ahern or Wright & Laverde. Carlton got Judd did that garuantee sucess, a short sighted and poor decision in my view.

Thats just your opinion. At this point in tine its neither right or wrong.

[magnifisaint]

I will absolutely piss myself when we pick Mc Cartin at pick one after this thread.

When or if?

[magnifisaint]

In hindsight the Pelchin & Richardson will look back on this trade period and realise they got greedy and arrogant! There is no way Petracca will be more value to the team than both Lever & Ahern or Wright & Laverde. Carlton got Judd did that garuantee sucess, a short sighted and poor decision in my view.

Thats just your opinion. At this point in tine its neither right or wrong.

[WinnersOnly]

In hindsight the Pelchin & Richardson will look back on this trade period and realise they got greedy and arrogant! There is no way Petracca will be more value to the team than both Lever & Ahern or Wright & Laverde. Carlton got Judd did that garuantee sucess, a short sighted and poor decision in my view.

Thats just your opinion. At this point in tine its neither right or wrong.

No magnifisaint it has been proven over ever draft that unless they are an exceptional key forward, the No 1 pick has not been the best player in the draft. When you have two chances at players in the top 7 common sense dictates that you have a far better likelihood of getting two top quality players (which we need) than 1. There is also a strong likelihood that 4 or 7 will progress to be a better player than 1.

[desertsaint]

From 2000 on - bold is the better side of 1 vs 4 & 7. No bold means a tie/can't decide.

2000 Riewoldt vs Livingston & Angwin
2001 Hodge vs Polak & Hale
2002 Goddard vs Walsh & Mackie
2003 Cooney vs Ray & Tenace
2004 Deledio vs Tambling & Lewis - I'd say Lewis, but the wasted time and effort on Tambling would see this a tie overall.
2005 Murphy vs Kennedy & Ryder
2006 Gibbs vs Leuenberger & Selwood - when Carlton get first pick the whole system falls down!
2007 Kreuzer vs Morton & Palmer - tie
2008 Watts vs Hartlett & Rich - none have come on, but I'd take Rich
2009 Scully vs Morabito & Sheppard - not a fan, but Scully is better than those two combined.
2010 Swallow vs Gaff & Caddy
2011 Patton vs Hoskin - Elliot & Haynes

Too early to call on 2012/13 but out of interest:
2012 Whitfield vs Toumpas & Wines - but I'd take Wines atm
2013 Boyd vs Bontempelli & Aish - I'd take Bont & Aish atm

So, unless you are Carlton or Melbourne, it would appear Pick One as the better option. of course this ignores a lot of quality that went as pick 2 or 3, or 5 or 6 - but you could just as easily say Pick one if another team, would have taken them more likely than pick four.

[plugger66]

In hindsight the Pelchin & Richardson will look back on this trade period and realise they got greedy and arrogant! There is no way Petracca will be more value to the team than both Lever & Ahern or Wright & Laverde. Carlton got Judd did that garuantee sucess, a short sighted and poor decision in my view.

I don't think we had 4 picks if we traded. How about giving us the 2 you would take instead of 4.

[stinger]

Nobody here in their right mind could argue that they would rather have Petracca instead of both Peter Wright and Paul Ahern.....NOBODY!!!!!!!

i would and i;m certainly a person...i ain't nobody ffs,.,,,

[stinger]

This thread could just be the saddest little corner of the internets in the world right now.

This is not the saddest thread. I have been a supporter for 43 years and have never seen my team win a premiership. I've had to put up with arrogant Colingwood, Carlton, Hawthorn and Essendon supporters all my life. It #$%^ing s***s me. It is ridiculous that we have forfeited gaining an extra pick in the top 10 for dodgy reasons.

...and we have had to put up with you....makes us even imhfo....

[stinger]

I'm writing a letter to the club.

[stinger]

Another fabricated lie after the facts had emerged. The 4 & 7 thing was out doing the rounds before your other post. Now this crap which I heard on TWR at the start of trade week

Four and seven for one was being discussed right at the beginning of Trade Week and was dismissed then.

Citiwest has been caught out and is digging a bigger and bigger hole.

Very funny though.

yep.....

...and yep....

[gringo]

We could just as easily end up with one of your guys with 21 which they wanted back anyway. After pick 4 there is a huge mass of similarly even players. Guys like Goddard and Lamb have been top 5 in some phantom drafts and as late as 30s picks in others. I don't think 7 and 21 will have that much different chances of a gun. outside the top 4 or so it's a lottery up to about pick 30. I personally think it would be weak to swap pick one to spread the risk. It's something that doesn't come along everyday. It's like swapping a date with Miranda Kerr with your mate and taking his mum and sister to the movies to increase your chance of getting lucky.

[citywest]

Reading all these posts makes me realize why St Kilda has drowned in mediocrity for their entire 150 year history. Actually it's not mediocrity it's is down right crapiness. Twenty seven wooden spooks in 118 years. I think the Petracca connection with Richo played a role but the other factor was the Pelican and co were afraid to pull the trigger. They went the safe option. As I said in another post, you must dare to win and we (Pelican) didn't dare.

[Dis Believer]

Reading all these posts makes me realize why St Kilda has drowned in mediocrity for their entire 150 year history. Actually it's not mediocrity it's is down right crapiness. Twenty seven wooden spooks in 118 years. I think the Petracca connection with Richo played a role but the other factor was the Pelican and co were afraid to pull the trigger. They went the safe option. As I said in another post, you must dare to win and we (Pelican) didn't dare.

Mate, seriously, the Cheech & Chongs, just cut back for a few weeks.......

[White Winmar]

Reading all these posts makes me realize why St Kilda has drowned in mediocrity for their entire 150 year history. Actually it's not mediocrity it's is down right crapiness. Twenty seven wooden spooks in 118 years. I think the Petracca connection with Richo played a role but the other factor was the Pelican and co were afraid to pull the trigger. They went the safe option. As I said in another post, you must dare to win and we (Pelican) didn't dare.

You're the only one drowning in mediocrity. You made a big call and as usual, provided nothing to back it up with. The Essendon forum seems a much better fit for someone like you.

<PM sent to poster regarding baiting>

[howlinwolf]

No wonder we don't dare to win. 27 Wooden Spooks !

Just take a chill pill CW. You're jumping at shadows.

[stinger]

You all keep forgetting they offered us picks 4 & 7 but wanted pick 21 back.
They never offered 4 & 7 only.
Alan knows the Petracca family, not well, I assure you it has nothing to do with him getting selected, if anything it has Petracca having to impress more to get it over the line.
It is not Alan Richardson's decision either who gets picked.
He coaches the team that the recruiting department put together.
Some of the garbage on this site is insane.

I think even if they had traded 1 for 4 and 7 some fans would have cracked it anyway. To exchange pick one the offer would have to be unmissable just to sell back to the members.

i for one would have cracked it big time and i'm not the only one that would have....s*** trade...gws found out that we couldn't be bent over...

[plugger66]

Reading all these posts makes me realize why St Kilda has drowned in mediocrity for their entire 150 year history. Actually it's not mediocrity it's is down right crapiness. Twenty seven wooden spooks in 118 years. I think the Petracca connection with Richo played a role but the other factor was the Pelican and co were afraid to pull the trigger. They went the safe option. As I said in another post, you must dare to win and we (Pelican) didn't dare.

Fair enough but you get a lot more credibility if you just said you made everything because you wanted it to happen. You may end up right but you could also end up wrong. We were losing 21 and 1 for 4 and 7. Doesn't make it an open and shut case that we should have taken it at all. Maybe the most courageous thing was keeping pick one.

[Old Mate]

4 & 7 for Petracca. Lol who would do that?

[8856brother]

Mods, please make another phone call. Just in case.

[Bunk_Moreland]

4 & 7 for Petracca. Lol who would do that?

Citiwest would have - say everything. SImplistic solutions not even slightly thought through.

As p66 said, made it up now running with a tenuous straw man argument about Richo having a connection with Petracca because his prediction was completely incorrect

Oh no Richo is going to make us take the standout player in the TAC.

Oh no - what a disaster.

[The Redeemer]

4 & 7 for Petracca. Lol who would do that?

if we sent 21 and get 6 back then yes, if GWS was keen on Petrecca then sure thing.

That stated, 4+7 does not equate to 1

[asiu]

Nods, please make another phone call. Just in case.

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