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skeptic wrote:It's interesting because if a lot of forumites had their way, Seb would have been written off after his first game this season...
it's like I said a page ago... players promoted from the VFL need a decent run so that we can gauge improvement
Ross has improved... looks good enough to stay on the list atm
Same thing is now happening to Lee and Dunnell as well as Siposs too
Like a 15 goal trouncing tells you everything you need to know about a player
No it doesnt but ordinary form in a pretty low comp usually suggests you arent up to it. Lee and Siposs have been mostly ordinary at sandy this year. You dont need 4 games in a row to see they arent up to it at the moment whatever the losses are. By the way hasnt Ross been dropped at least once if not twice this season but when he has gone back he is normally in the best. Thats what players who maybe up to it should do. I only had to Dunell once to know he is nearly a sure delisting at the end of the season. Nothing has changed for him. he is one of those players who does do well in VFL but just doesnt have the right skills to be an AFL player. At least he does usually show up in the VFL to give himslf a chance. Pity Siposs, Lee and Stanley cant do the same. White is another. I dont care hoe young he is but he should look like a superstar in the VFL seconds. its a very bad comp.
skeptic wrote:It's interesting because if a lot of forumites had their way, Seb would have been written off after his first game this season...
it's like I said a page ago... players promoted from the VFL need a decent run so that we can gauge improvement
Ross has improved... looks good enough to stay on the list atm
Same thing is now happening to Lee and Dunnell as well as Siposs too
Like a 15 goal trouncing tells you everything you need to know about a player
No it doesnt but ordinary form in a pretty low comp usually suggests you arent up to it. Lee and Siposs have been mostly ordinary at sandy this year. You dont need 4 games in a row to see they arent up to it at the moment whatever the losses are. By the way hasnt Ross been dropped at least once if not twice this season but when he has gone back he is normally in the best. Thats what players who maybe up to it should do. I only had to Dunell once to know he is nearly a sure delisting at the end of the season. Nothing has changed for him. he is one of those players who does do well in VFL but just doesnt have the right skills to be an AFL player. At least he does usually show up in the VFL to give himslf a chance. Pity Siposs, Lee and Stanley cant do the same. White is another. I dont care hoe young he is but he should look like a superstar in the VFL seconds. its a very bad comp.
I don't think Dunnell has been very fairly treated as far as playing seniors for a few weeks is concerned but sometimes coaches don't rate players that the past coaches did. Lyon got rid of guys like Voss, Goose etc. both had very good qualities but not ones Ross rated highly. Likewise favourites of Watters are now likely delisted at seasons end.
Shenton was only okay in his first senior game this year but his second game burst out of the pack. Sometimes you just need to give them time to adjust and back them in. I get the feeling that Lee doesn't endear himself to Richo.
My Gut feel is this boy will make it. Not everyone was born a Chris Judd and his running speed & endurance plus natural adaption to the game overall will improve from games 25 to 50. He has general football ability & smarts, I think he will be given the time. Think about the young players that have come through from 2004 to 2011 what team they had around them & the team we have now. He is not an A Lister but I think he can become a very good player if he works his butt off & puts in a big pre season injury free permitting. Fingers crossed on him.
Webs biggest problem that he has to overcome is that he gets killed on the spread. There must have been at least 6 times today where he was left for dead by his direct opponent and usually through the centre of the park.
At this stage he is a one trick pony, he wins the ball in tight.
BringBackMadDog wrote:Webs biggest problem that he has to overcome is that he gets killed on the spread. There must have been at least 6 times today where he was left for dead by his direct opponent and usually through the centre of the park.
At this stage he is a one trick pony, he wins the ball in tight.
Who didn't killed on the spread today? I like his development under Richo - he's learning how to get his own footy consistently and that's a big thing in footy - the more of those you have the less easy it will be to shut our team down. If he can develop gut running to get to a lot of contests and give support I think he could make it.
BringBackMadDog wrote:Webs biggest problem that he has to overcome is that he gets killed on the spread. There must have been at least 6 times today where he was left for dead by his direct opponent and usually through the centre of the park.
At this stage he is a one trick pony, he wins the ball in tight.
I like him and think that ultimately he could be very good. Seems to have good poise under pressure and a knack of finding the ball.
Problem is leg speed is not his strength and we alsio have Armitage and probably Dunstan of that type. Still, persist
Seb showed a few promising signs and is good in close, but needs to keep improving. A bit too much is made of leg speed, especially in regard to run and spread, and it is more about defensive mind-set than outright running power and that's more a team thing that the coach needs to address, as it's not just Seb who plays too far away from their direct opponents. The competition for midfield spots will be tight when Dunstan is in the mix, so it's up to Seb to step on the gas and make the most of the rest of this season.
spert wrote:Seb showed a few promising signs and is good in close, but needs to keep improving. A bit too much is made of leg speed, especially in regard to run and spread, and it is more about defensive mind-set than outright running power and that's more a team thing that the coach needs to address, as it's not just Seb who plays too far away from their direct opponents. The competition for midfield spots will be tight when Dunstan is in the mix, so it's up to Seb to step on the gas and make the most of the rest of this season.
hopefully he is given the chance...bit hard dome by this year.....great disposal....quick hands..wins the hard ball...bit worried that tony reckons he is up for trade....
.everybody still loves lenny....and we always will
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Must persist with him IMO, has a lot of tools even if he does have a few weaknesses in his game.
Would hope he's not for trade as we wouldn't get back a better pick than we originally invested in him.
There were some comparisons to Pendles being made early in his career but I nevr saw it, I see him more in his cousin's mould, think he will be a late bloomer also .
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People saying he's got good disposal - is that actually true? As far as I can see he's pretty suspect with the ball in hand. Not sure if it's decision-making or execution but there were a bunch of turnovers yesterday by both foot and hand.
The major concern i have with him is that he has had 3 pre seasons now and still doesn't seem to have a big enough tank. He is strong at the contest but not sure if he gets to enough of them and second efforts and chase without the ball is lacking. Not quick , which isn't a worry as is hard inside. Perhaps there is a reason his tank isn't what we would think it should be.
Bit like do i sell a share which seems to be stagnating but may still have upside or do i hold and risk the value dropping if it doesn't develop
( God help me)
