No help for Rowan

[Toy Saint]

Looks like we've decided to go into the Hawks game without Longer or Pierce to help out in the ruck.

It's good to see Jack back.

[guitars4]

Looks like we've decided to go into the Hawks game without Longer or Pierce to help out in the ruck.

It's good to see Jack back.

Yeah looks like only 1 or 2 changes.

[WellardSaint]

so will AR throw Baroose in the ruck at various stages? And will Acres stay in to provide another ruck option?
He's reverted to old bad habits. Leave Baroose and Blacres out of the flamin ruck, it RUINS them

[Crossy66]

Very happy for billy. I thought they would pick him and he would come in under done and it would be the topic of the week.

[skeptic]

so will AR throw Baroose in the ruck at various stages? And will Acres stay in to provide another ruck option?
He's reverted to old bad habits. Leave Baroose and Blacres out of the flamin ruck, it RUINS them

When did he ever stop...

[bigcarl]

Asking a lot of Marshall to take on and beat both McEvoy and Ceglar. I'd have picked another ruck specialist

[takeaway]

so will AR throw Baroose in the ruck at various stages? And will Acres stay in to provide another ruck option?
He's reverted to old bad habits. Leave Baroose and Blacres out of the flamin ruck, it RUINS them

When did he ever stop...

Yes, Jack Reiwoldt, Taylor Walker, Patrick Cripps, Nat Fyfe, etc etc all played in the ruck. It ruins them. So many clubs copying Richo. Trendsetter.

[supersaints2]

Had a few discussions on this forum with ex posters.... adamant you couldn't play two ruckman... despite Hawks great success... the only premiership they lost was when Cigler ( or whoever was the second ruck during their three peat) was out injured and they went in with one ruck
We should play Pierce or Longer ( if they are fit enough . Rowan shorter spells and move him forward resting around the pocket.. Judy my opinion... fwiw

[supersaints2]

Had a few discussions on this forum with ex posters.... adamant you couldn't play two ruckman... despite Hawks great success... the only premiership they lost was when Cigler ( or whoever was the second ruck during their three peat) was out injured and they went in with one ruck
We should play Pierce or Longer ( if they are fit enough . Rowan shorter spells and move him forward resting around the pocket.. Judy my opinion... fwiw

[supersaints2]

Had a few discussions on this forum with ex posters.... adamant you couldn't play two ruckman... despite Hawks great success... the only premiership they lost was when Cigler ( or whoever was the second ruck during their three peat) was out injured and they went in with one ruck
We should play Pierce or Longer ( if they are fit enough . Rowan shorter spells and move him forward resting around the pocket.. Judy my opinion... fwiw

[supersaints2]

Had a few discussions on this forum with ex posters.... adamant you couldn't play two ruckman... despite Hawks great success... the only premiership they lost was when Cigler ( or whoever was the second ruck during their three peat) was out injured and they went in with one ruck
We should play Pierce or Longer ( if they are fit enough . Rowan shorter spells and move him forward resting around the pocket.. Judy my opinion... fwiw

[realdeal]

Had a few discussions on this forum with ex posters.... adamant you couldn't play two ruckman... despite Hawks great success... the only premiership they lost was when Cigler ( or whoever was the second ruck during their three peat) was out injured and they went in with one ruck
We should play Pierce or Longer ( if they are fit enough . Rowan shorter spells and move him forward resting around the pocket.. Judy my opinion... fwiw

West Coast had the biggest team in the comp last season... of course, it depends who your bigs are... but blind freddy can see that we require another ruck option to help Marshall.

Our fwd line is already too small. Even if its another tall down back to allow Battle fwd.. maybe joyce comes in for that reason.. but who knows..

[skeptic]

so will AR throw Baroose in the ruck at various stages? And will Acres stay in to provide another ruck option?
He's reverted to old bad habits. Leave Baroose and Blacres out of the flamin ruck, it RUINS them

When did he ever stop...

Yes, Jack Reiwoldt, Taylor Walker, Patrick Cripps, Nat Fyfe, etc etc all played in the ruck. It ruins them. So many clubs copying Richo. Trendsetter.

Strange post.

Are you arguing that it’s working well for us? Is there an alternate universe where Acres was BOG last week.

[bigcarl]

Two rucks is working well for Demons tonight. Works well for the reigning premiers, too. They've been playing two rucks plus three tall forwards.

[portosaint]

so will AR throw Baroose in the ruck at various stages? And will Acres stay in to provide another ruck option?
He's reverted to old bad habits. Leave Baroose and Blacres out of the flamin ruck, it RUINS them

When did he ever stop...

Yes, Jack Reiwoldt, Taylor Walker, Patrick Cripps, Nat Fyfe, etc etc all played in the ruck. It ruins them. So many clubs copying Richo. Trendsetter.

Strange post.

Are you arguing that it’s working well for us? Is there an alternate universe where Acres was BOG last week.

Richmond, Adelaide and Carlton have been underwhelming thus far. The trend isn't working.

[Enrico_Misso]

I think it was Phil Collins who theorised ...

"Two rucks, believing in just one gameplan
Rucking together till the end of time-on
You know we're two rucks believing in just one gameplan
Together forever till the end of time-on"

[takeaway]

so will AR throw Baroose in the ruck at various stages? And will Acres stay in to provide another ruck option?
He's reverted to old bad habits. Leave Baroose and Blacres out of the flamin ruck, it RUINS them

When did he ever stop...

Yes, Jack Reiwoldt, Taylor Walker, Patrick Cripps, Nat Fyfe, etc etc all played in the ruck. It ruins them. So many clubs copying Richo. Trendsetter.

Strange post.

Are you arguing that it’s working well for us? Is there an alternate universe where Acres was BOG last week.

No, Hawks have 2 rucks, I would have had Longer in, but maybe he is not ready. Pierce not showing much form. Hence according to form/availability, one ruck selected, with relief provided by Bruce, Wilkie, Acres, etc. So we are just doing the same as other teams with one main ruck - Tigers used Jack R, Cripps is used for Blues, Fyfe at boundary throw ins, and plenty of others. So these clubs are also ruining those players? Not just "bad habits" by Saints only. That was my point.

They also may not wish to lose pace by adding another ruck. Not sure what you are getting at in comment re Acres.

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

It's all Richo's fault.

I blame Richo for taking 177 years to build the Tower of Pisa and only 10 years for it to start leaning.

What else...NASA losing a Mars orbiter because part of the team used metric units and the other half used English.

[Wayne42]

Had a few discussions on this forum with ex posters.... adamant you couldn't play two ruckman... despite Hawks great success... the only premiership they lost was when Cigler ( or whoever was the second ruck during their three peat) was out injured and they went in with one ruck
We should play Pierce or Longer ( if they are fit enough . Rowan shorter spells and move him forward resting around the pocket.. Judy my opinion... fwiw

Who is Judy ?

[takeaway]

Had a few discussions on this forum with ex posters.... adamant you couldn't play two ruckman... despite Hawks great success... the only premiership they lost was when Cigler ( or whoever was the second ruck during their three peat) was out injured and they went in with one ruck
We should play Pierce or Longer ( if they are fit enough . Rowan shorter spells and move him forward resting around the pocket.. Judy my opinion... fwiw

Who is Judy ?

Just Judy

[stonecold]

Had a few discussions on this forum with ex posters.... adamant you couldn't play two ruckman... despite Hawks great success... the only premiership they lost was when Cigler ( or whoever was the second ruck during their three peat) was out injured and they went in with one ruck
We should play Pierce or Longer ( if they are fit enough . Rowan shorter spells and move him forward resting around the pocket.. Judy my opinion... fwiw

Who is Judy ?

Just Judy

Judge Judy?????

Billy is not ready yet, needs another run, then will come in and smash Gawn, AGAIN!!!!!

[mightysainters]

Good.. play your best side. Longer and Pierce give absolutely nothing

[twirlyhair]

so will AR throw Baroose in the ruck at various stages? And will Acres stay in to provide another ruck option?
He's reverted to old bad habits. Leave Baroose and Blacres out of the flamin ruck, it RUINS them

When did he ever stop...

Yes, Jack Reiwoldt, Taylor Walker, Patrick Cripps, Nat Fyfe, etc etc all played in the ruck. It ruins them. So many clubs copying Richo. Trendsetter.

Yep. It is the trend now, with clubs really cautious that they are not top heavy. Having the midfielders that shark a losing ruckman is key.

[skeptic]

so will AR throw Baroose in the ruck at various stages? And will Acres stay in to provide another ruck option?
He's reverted to old bad habits. Leave Baroose and Blacres out of the flamin ruck, it RUINS them

When did he ever stop...

Yes, Jack Reiwoldt, Taylor Walker, Patrick Cripps, Nat Fyfe, etc etc all played in the ruck. It ruins them. So many clubs copying Richo. Trendsetter.

Strange post.

Are you arguing that it’s working well for us? Is there an alternate universe where Acres was BOG last week.

No, Hawks have 2 rucks, I would have had Longer in, but maybe he is not ready. Pierce not showing much form. Hence according to form/availability, one ruck selected, with relief provided by Bruce, Wilkie, Acres, etc. So we are just doing the same as other teams with one main ruck - Tigers used Jack R, Cripps is used for Blues, Fyfe at boundary throw ins, and plenty of others. So these clubs are also ruining those players? Not just "bad habits" by Saints only. That was my point.

They also may not wish to lose pace by adding another ruck. Not sure what you are getting at in comment re Acres.

So you don’t like this type of set up and would do something different if it was viable?

I have to imagine however that you’re aware that we’ve been doing this heavily over 3 years with guys like Bruce, Gilbert, Paddy, Acres and Steel amongst the relief options.


See I just don’t understand what drives you to makes posts like these. Why are you trying to swat criticism away from something you don’t even agree with. Nowhere in this thread have I said it ruins players.

Yes I’m critical of Richo. In this instance the move with the ruck has repeatedly proven to be a failure...
Second ruck (the player who is not actually a ruck) gets beaten comprehensively in the middle. The Saints generally struggle more in the middle during this time.

It impacts said players performance in their primary role... Bruce’s output as a forward has dropped since he started doing it... hadn’t done anything for Acres, Steele or Paddy.

Development wise it’s done nothing for us. Pierce has languished Sandy not able to get games... ditto Marshall until injuries gave him a chance and both Hickey + Longer have struggled over years... pbly because they’re not good enough to carry a ruck division without any adequate support.

So all things considered what motivates my posts is that the move sucks, it has a detrimental impact on the team, and is a contributing factor to our stalling development.

But you... you’re motivated by what?
Having a dig at me because I irritate you? Wanting to stand up for the coach because he’s maligned?
Wanting to show you’re a good, loyal supporter?

Whatever your reason it’s not because you genuinely think this is a good move... but rather pushes the narrative of whatever personal agenda you want to push.
And your way of thinking is actually hurting the club as it contributes to the continuation of an obviously stupid move that objectively is terrible.

So much of this forum as of late is ppl pushing a personal agenda that’s not based on what is observably happening
- Hannebery out of our leadership group is a great sign/move
- Essendon and GC are great wins. Essendon are top 4 and GC aren’t terrible
- Paddy is looking good for a breakout year
- Longer is dominating the VFL with his presence (not just winning hit outs in beaten midfield and doing SFA else)
- Weller playing for Richmond vindicates Richo playing him relentlessly when he was in poor form
- Saints have played 3 games vs 3 non-finalists... 2 of which were decided by less than a kick and the other by a 3 goals and look to regenerated and be September bound

It’s quite hard to read

[bigred]

Prospects stats clearly match up with McEvoy.

Clearly.

Gets has three times the clearances than Ben and Ben has played an extra game.

Good god if Marshall gets a legit tank he could quite honestly be the next evolution of ruckman.