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Long's Goal

Postby parkeysainter » Tue 17 Apr 2018 12:02am

http://www.saints.com.au/video/2018-04- ... t-of-magic

That was no fluke. This kid has something special about him. When he gets past 50 games I think he will explode into a very good footballer. He will take time and patience, the two wisest sages, so we must be willing to get lots of games into him. Same as the rest of them under 30 games e.g. Paddy, White, Coffield, Marshall, Clark, etc. It is imperative that these kids get a chance most weeks in 2018 for the Saints to move forward. If possible, it would be nice if we could also blood Rice, Phillips, Battle a bit more too.
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Re: Long's Goal

Postby Moods » Tue 17 Apr 2018 12:17am

parkeysainter wrote:http://www.saints.com.au/video/2018-04-15/longs-moment-of-magic

That was no fluke. This kid has something special about him. When he gets past 50 games I think he will explode into a very good footballer. He will take time and patience, the two wisest sages, so we must be willing to get lots of games into him. Same as the rest of the them under 30 games e.g. Paddy, White, Coffield, Marshall, Clark, etc. It is imperative that these kids get a chance most weeks in 2018 for the Saints to move forward. If possible, it would be nice if we could also blood Rice, Phillips, Battle a bit more too.



You mean like Newnes, Webster, Dunstan, Ross, Bruce, Billings ???

We were promised and promised that be patient, these kids will EXPLODE and there will be premierships aplenty.

If they're no good, they're no good. I'm not saying that the 6 names I mentioned are all terrible (although I have lost patience with Newnes) I'm just saying that none of them are superstars. None. Webster is going better but he still butchers the ball ( a coach killer) Dunstan I really like. Ross has stalled at B grade and just isn't impacting the game. Bruce has stalled massively. In fairness a below average KP fwd. Billings is a fair AFL footballer. Not terrible, has plenty of faults. On face value looks like he'll be okay but NOTHING what we hoped.

Paddy looks like he'll develop into a slightly better version of Bruce. He'll never be quick like say Josh Kennedy. Once he gets some continuity he'll go ok. Once again, not great, and certainly, like Billings, not anything like we hoped. But he'll play his 150 games (maybe even 200 like Kosi) but in an average team. White doesn't have it for mine. He's shown nothing. Coffield Marshall and Clarke will all be good, although always a raffle with big guys like Marshall. He's developing ok.

I understand this notion of getting games into the kids. However the kids HAVE to uphold their end of the bargain. They have to show something. They don't have to be in the best players, but they have to give something each week we can hang our hat on. White gave nothing last week and should be dropped. I agreed with Clarke being dropped. There has to be integrity at selection rather than gifting games to young guys.
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Re: Long's Goal

Postby Moods » Tue 17 Apr 2018 12:20am

As for Long. He's just scraping by in my opinion. Just doing enough by the skin of his balls. He's playing in a terrible fwd line that isn't functioning. Just another small guy we've selected. Gresham, Long, Billings, Lonie and Sinclair. Surely we will never make that mistake at selection again. Way too small and weak.
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Re: Long's Goal

Postby stonecold » Tue 17 Apr 2018 12:40am

Moods wrote:As for Long. He's just scraping by in my opinion. Just doing enough by the skin of his balls. He's playing in a terrible fwd line that isn't functioning. Just another small guy we've selected. Gresham, Long, Billings, Lonie and Sinclair. Surely we will never make that mistake at selection again. Way too small and weak.


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Re: Long's Goal

Postby parkeysainter » Tue 17 Apr 2018 1:26am

Moods wrote:As for Long. He's just scraping by in my opinion. Just doing enough by the skin of his balls. He's playing in a terrible fwd line that isn't functioning. Just another small guy we've selected. Gresham, Long, Billings, Lonie and Sinclair. Surely we will never make that mistake at selection again. Way too small and weak.


Don't totally agree with your posts but each to their own Mr Moods. Nothing wrong with developing a good crop of kids with promise under the right circumstances.

I have played, been involved and watched alot of footy. I think Long has the goods to be a clever goal kicking small forward. We are crying out for one. He hasn't even played 10 games yet and has that magical indigenous factor about him.
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Re: Long's Goal

Postby kalsaint » Tue 17 Apr 2018 2:15am

Moods wrote:
parkeysainter wrote:http://www.saints.com.au/video/2018-04-15/longs-moment-of-magic

That was no fluke. This kid has something special about him. When he gets past 50 games I think he will explode into a very good footballer. He will take time and patience, the two wisest sages, so we must be willing to get lots of games into him. Same as the rest of the them under 30 games e.g. Paddy, White, Coffield, Marshall, Clark, etc. It is imperative that these kids get a chance most weeks in 2018 for the Saints to move forward. If possible, it would be nice if we could also blood Rice, Phillips, Battle a bit more too.



You mean like Newnes, Webster, Dunstan, Ross, Bruce, Billings ???

We were promised and promised that be patient, these kids will EXPLODE and there will be premierships aplenty.

If they're no good, they're no good. I'm not saying that the 6 names I mentioned are all terrible (although I have lost patience with Newnes) I'm just saying that none of them are superstars. None. Webster is going better but he still butchers the ball ( a coach killer) Dunstan I really like. Ross has stalled at B grade and just isn't impacting the game. Bruce has stalled massively. In fairness a below average KP fwd. Billings is a fair AFL footballer. Not terrible, has plenty of faults. On face value looks like he'll be okay but NOTHING what we hoped.

Paddy looks like he'll develop into a slightly better version of Bruce. He'll never be quick like say Josh Kennedy. Once he gets some continuity he'll go ok. Once again, not great, and certainly, like Billings, not anything like we hoped. But he'll play his 150 games (maybe even 200 like Kosi) but in an average team. White doesn't have it for mine. He's shown nothing. Coffield Marshall and Clarke will all be good, although always a raffle with big guys like Marshall. He's developing ok.

I understand this notion of getting games into the kids. However the kids HAVE to uphold their end of the bargain. They have to show something. They don't have to be in the best players, but they have to give something each week we can hang our hat on. White gave nothing last week and should be dropped. I agreed with Clarke being dropped. There has to be integrity at selection rather than gifting games to young guys.


I like this comment as I agree with most of it. Play form players. Dont compromise team based effort for talent that is wasted, like Gresham being overly fancy when he could be kicking to a player better positioned.

As Ross used to say theirs no point playing the kindergarten. I agree with him as our midfield has been torn a new one in many games over the last 3-4 years by certain clubs. Young bodies cant match those older bigger guys who know the rest of their teams ability and skill level. I think Duntan needs to be kept in the team. Said it last year several times. I do like Bruce but the forward structure needs work. For starters it needs to move. This creates mayhem for defenders and leads to potential frees closer at goal. Never could understand why this club has not picked those midfielders who are called bulls that break packs and create and/or run forward and goal. Eagles are showing us how its to be done. Confidence is a key factor but we dont have the elite mids to create, lead and set up forward delivery. Long way to go with a team of soldiers when they dont follow the game plan or when they do, they give up the ball.
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Re: Long's Goal

Postby saynta » Tue 17 Apr 2018 11:51am

parkeysainter wrote:http://www.saints.com.au/video/2018-04-15/longs-moment-of-magic

That was no fluke. This kid has something special about him. When he gets past 50 games I think he will explode into a very good footballer. He will take time and patience, the two wisest sages, so we must be willing to get lots of games into him. Same as the rest of them under 30 games e.g. Paddy, White, Coffield, Marshall, Clark, etc. It is imperative that these kids get a chance most weeks in 2018 for the Saints to move forward. If possible, it would be nice if we could also blood Rice, Phillips, Battle a bit more too.



Spot on mate.
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Re: Long's Goal

Postby saynta » Tue 17 Apr 2018 11:54am

stonecold wrote:
Moods wrote:As for Long. He's just scraping by in my opinion. Just doing enough by the skin of his balls. He's playing in a terrible fwd line that isn't functioning. Just another small guy we've selected. Gresham, Long, Billings, Lonie and Sinclair. Surely we will never make that mistake at selection again. Way too small and weak.


Disagree, but that's OK, not saying your opinion is wrong, just don't agree!!!!!

Have backed Long from early doors and happy to do so, when he gets the ball he normally makes something happen!!!!!

Each to their own!!!!!

But, Benny will be a Jet!!!!!


I agree with you. Has a touch of class about him.

Once he feels he belongs at AFL level watch his game grow.

White put in a poor game but so did most of the team. He has something to offer.
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Re: Long's Goal

Postby saintspremiers » Tue 17 Apr 2018 12:02pm

saynta wrote:
stonecold wrote:
Moods wrote:As for Long. He's just scraping by in my opinion. Just doing enough by the skin of his balls. He's playing in a terrible fwd line that isn't functioning. Just another small guy we've selected. Gresham, Long, Billings, Lonie and Sinclair. Surely we will never make that mistake at selection again. Way too small and weak.


Disagree, but that's OK, not saying your opinion is wrong, just don't agree!!!!!

Have backed Long from early doors and happy to do so, when he gets the ball he normally makes something happen!!!!!

Each to their own!!!!!

But, Benny will be a Jet!!!!!


I agree with you. Has a touch of class about him.

Once he feels he belongs at AFL level watch his game grow.

White put in a poor game but so did most of the team. He has something to offer.




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Re: Long's Goal

Postby Joffa Burns » Tue 17 Apr 2018 12:31pm

Long has steadily improved each game thus far this season and I would imagine retains his position quite comfortably.

Interesting that he was picked one place in front of the games BOG on Sunday Brandon Parfitt.

It would be interesting to see their development if we took Parfitt and the cats Long.
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Re: Long's Goal

Postby mad saint guy » Wed 18 Apr 2018 12:53am

I don't agree that there is anything special about him. He looks to me like a stock standard fringe-quality pressure forward. The goal was very nice but he's not going to produce that regularly. His pace is just ok, skills just ok, pressure is decent but he doesn't find a lot of the ball and doesn't kick many goals. I don't see anything that suggests he's going to be any better than Minchington.
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Re: Long's Goal

Postby saynta » Wed 18 Apr 2018 10:32am

mad saint guy wrote:I don't agree that there is anything special about him. He looks to me like a stock standard fringe-quality pressure forward. The goal was very nice but he's not going to produce that regularly. His pace is just ok, skills just ok, pressure is decent but he doesn't find a lot of the ball and doesn't kick many goals. I don't see anything that suggests he's going to be any better than Minchington.


Minch is not a bad player mate, just cruelled by injuries.
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Re: Long's Goal

Postby kosifantutti » Wed 18 Apr 2018 11:03am

Every time I see Long do something I think “that’s clever “ but too often it leads to nothing.
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Re: Long's Goal

Postby parkeysainter » Wed 18 Apr 2018 11:31am

He has played under 10 games of AFL footy and is only in his 2nd year in the system. He has the potential to double his output after 50 games so he is actually doing very well at this point. He has massive scope to improve his game given the personal tools at his disposal.
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Re: Long's Goal

Postby degruch » Wed 18 Apr 2018 11:59am

kosifantutti wrote:Every time I see Long do something I think “that’s clever “ but too often it leads to nothing.


I guess it's a change from most of our forwards, where I think "that's dumb" and too often it leads to a turn over.
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Re: Long's Goal

Postby mad saint guy » Wed 18 Apr 2018 12:06pm

saynta wrote:
mad saint guy wrote:I don't agree that there is anything special about him. He looks to me like a stock standard fringe-quality pressure forward. The goal was very nice but he's not going to produce that regularly. His pace is just ok, skills just ok, pressure is decent but he doesn't find a lot of the ball and doesn't kick many goals. I don't see anything that suggests he's going to be any better than Minchington.


Minch is not a bad player mate, just cruelled by injuries.


I agree, I think he's handy and certainly a better option than Lonie or Wright but the reality is that he's very unlikely to make it. Despite being a better kick and much stronger than Long
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Re: Long's Goal

Postby parkeysainter » Sat 21 Apr 2018 7:20pm

Hate to tell you all, but some of us did call it...
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Re: Long's Goal

Postby bigred » Sat 21 Apr 2018 7:25pm

lol the thread of facepalm.
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Re: Long's Goal

Postby SaintPav » Sat 21 Apr 2018 7:33pm

A bit of a break out game which is good given he hadn't even played 10 games yet.
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Re: Long's Goal

Postby degruch » Sat 21 Apr 2018 7:59pm

Dare I say, he looked special.
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Re: Long's Goal

Postby Vazelos » Sat 21 Apr 2018 8:01pm

Long has secured the small forward role long term I would say with the ability to play up the ground a bit too if required...
Papers stamped for Wright, Lonie & Minchington I would say maybe Meatballs has a very slim chance to get another year but unlikely at this stage.
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Re: Long's Goal

Postby Milne » Sat 21 Apr 2018 8:03pm

Minch still in the run but I love the way Long has played this season. A real X factor.
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Re: Long's Goal

Postby saynta » Sat 21 Apr 2018 8:04pm

parkeysainter wrote:http://www.saints.com.au/video/2018-04-15/longs-moment-of-magic

That was no fluke. This kid has something special about him. When he gets past 50 games I think he will explode into a very good footballer. He will take time and patience, the two wisest sages, so we must be willing to get lots of games into him. Same as the rest of them under 30 games e.g. Paddy, White, Coffield, Marshall, Clark, etc. It is imperative that these kids get a chance most weeks in 2018 for the Saints to move forward. If possible, it would be nice if we could also blood Rice, Phillips, Battle a bit more too.

Bump.


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