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St Kilda's blueprint for pre-2020 flag

Postby congorozides » Mon 16 Apr 2018 10:35pm

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-03-13/s ... ad-to-2018

St Kilda's blueprint for pre-2020 flag
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ST KILDA has outlined plans to win its second premiership before 2020 as part of a long-range strategic outlook that includes increasing membership, reducing debt and creating an "admired culture".

The Saints unveiled their "strategic framework" for 2014-2018 to the club's members and key stakeholders at their season launch on Thursday night.

The vision is to ensure the club is "admired as a competition leader in recruiting, player development and coaching" by 2018.

The plan is to deliver Grand Final success before 2020 – which will be the Saints' second flag after their sole 1966 triumph – and ensure the club is in the top four by 2018.
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Re: St Kilda's blueprint for pre-2020 flag

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Re: St Kilda's blueprint for pre-2020 flag

Postby Jacks Back » Mon 16 Apr 2018 11:31pm

congorozides wrote:The vision is to ensure the club is "admired as a competition leader in recruiting, player development and coaching" by 2018.

That would be so funny if it wasn't so sad. Where did it all go wrong?
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Re: St Kilda's blueprint for pre-2020 flag

Postby parkeysainter » Mon 16 Apr 2018 11:55pm

Captain Hindsight at work again. Lol.
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Re: St Kilda's blueprint for pre-2020 flag

Postby BackFromUSA » Tue 17 Apr 2018 12:16am

boy some people might look foolish if we did snag a flag by 2020 and early 2018 was a road bump!

add sloane and gaff to this team plus a top 5 draft pick PLUS 20 extra games into our young core and we could be right back in it by 2019.
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Re: St Kilda's blueprint for pre-2020 flag

Postby stonecold » Tue 17 Apr 2018 12:31am

BackFromUSA wrote:boy some people might look foolish if we did snag a flag by 2020 and early 2018 was a road bump!

add sloane and gaff to this team plus a top 5 draft pick PLUS 20 extra games into our young core and we could be right back in it by 2019.


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Re: St Kilda's blueprint for pre-2020 flag

Postby congorozides » Tue 17 Apr 2018 12:50am

parkeysainter wrote:Captain Hindsight at work again. Lol.



hindsight
ˈhʌɪn(d)sʌɪt/
noun
noun: hindsight

understanding of a situation or event only after it has happened or developed.

Do you think you have used that phrase correctly in this instance?

You cant even use the word correctly. You are semi illiterate.
You just give more confidence in branding you an idiot.
Notswure why you are lol'ing when you are parading your ignorance. You clearly dont even know what actually hindsight means.

Tip: The mere posting of an article from the past is not 'hindsight'.
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Re: St Kilda's blueprint for pre-2020 flag

Postby parkeysainter » Tue 17 Apr 2018 1:21am

congorozides wrote:
parkeysainter wrote:Captain Hindsight at work again. Lol.



hindsight
ˈhʌɪn(d)sʌɪt/
noun
noun: hindsight

understanding of a situation or event only after it has happened or developed.

Do you think you have used that phrase correctly in this instance?

You cant even use the word correctly. You are semi illiterate.
You just give more confidence in branding you an idiot.
Notswure why you are lol'ing when you are parading your ignorance. You clearly dont even know what actually hindsight means.

Tip: The mere posting of an article from the past is not 'hindsight'.


Lol. You are so clever Con. I must congratulate you on dredging up an article from 2013 or whenever it was then quoting an online dictionary. Its very original.

Is there some point to this post? You just copied and pasted a link plus a few paragraphs. Same as the Rising Star post and the Geary post talking about the Nth Melb loss. 3 x negative posts in quick succession. Hmmm....
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Re: St Kilda's blueprint for pre-2020 flag

Postby parkeysainter » Tue 17 Apr 2018 1:22am

stonecold wrote:
BackFromUSA wrote:boy some people might look foolish if we did snag a flag by 2020 and early 2018 was a road bump!

add sloane and gaff to this team plus a top 5 draft pick PLUS 20 extra games into our young core and we could be right back in it by 2019.


Yes, indeed!!!!!


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Re: St Kilda's blueprint for pre-2020 flag

Postby saintspremiers » Tue 17 Apr 2018 7:13am

BackFromUSA wrote:boy some people might look foolish if we did snag a flag by 2020 and early 2018 was a road bump!

add sloane and gaff to this team plus a top 5 draft pick PLUS 20 extra games into our young core and we could be right back in it by 2019.


So tell me please WHY Sloane and Gaff would come to us given the state we are in?

It’s not just money.

Why couldn’t we land Any big fish end of last year?

Do you back our coach and terrible recruiting and player development?

Love to hear your thoughts.
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Re: St Kilda's blueprint for pre-2020 flag

Postby takeaway » Tue 17 Apr 2018 8:31am

saintspremiers wrote:
BackFromUSA wrote:boy some people might look foolish if we did snag a flag by 2020 and early 2018 was a road bump!

add sloane and gaff to this team plus a top 5 draft pick PLUS 20 extra games into our young core and we could be right back in it by 2019.


So tell me please WHY Sloane and Gaff would come to us given the state we are in?

It’s not just money.

Why couldn’t we land Any big fish end of last year?

Do you back our coach and terrible recruiting and player development?

Love to hear your thoughts.


Most AFL clubs each year do not achieve their aims. Possibly a couple who show marked improvement over the year coming from near the bottom, and the premier. Adelaide failed in their aims last year. That is sport.

Big fish are very hard to shift, and NO ONE who was regarded as a big fish moved anywhere last year. I can't see why Saints at their new facility, could not snag good players. They have the salary cap space, unlike quite a few other teams.

This is Richo's worst run, and I am happy to back him at least to the end of the year. We have improved each year, even last year with a harder draw. If the form is still poor in the latter part of the season, a review and possibly changes are needed. Need to give the younger ones a good go this year. We may be better with a high draft pick next year in a good draft than finishing mid to low table.

I back our recruiting, because it has not been terrible, in fact imo we have recruited quite well, having limited early picks between 2009-13. Whilst some players seem to have stalled in development, you cannot judge after just 4 games. Give them a go. If things are not working, it becomes infectious. As Richmond found, you can turn things around, and all of a sudden things start working and you wonder if the same players are playing.
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Re: St Kilda's blueprint for pre-2020 flag

Postby BackFromUSA » Tue 17 Apr 2018 8:33am

saintspremiers wrote:
BackFromUSA wrote:boy some people might look foolish if we did snag a flag by 2020 and early 2018 was a road bump!

add sloane and gaff to this team plus a top 5 draft pick PLUS 20 extra games into our young core and we could be right back in it by 2019.


So tell me please WHY Sloane and Gaff would come to us given the state we are in?

It’s not just money.

==> correct. It is not just the money. Coming home is a factor for Sloane. Both he and his partner come from Melbourne and as a TV presenter her employment opportunities are limited in SA but more crucially they are ready to start a family. I believe Sloane will move to Melbourne and we should be front runners for his services as he was a passionate Sainter and the chance to captain his Saints to a premiership may appeal. As for Gaff I think best offer wins.

Why couldn’t we land Any big fish end of last year?

==> We were incredibly close to getting Kelly. Reality was he wants a Premiership before he leaves GWS. They are in the window right now. We are in the window starting in 2 years - the 2020 year I have always said would be our first tilt at a premiership - even going back to the announcement of the plan quoted above. Note that Kelly was offered 5 years by GWS only agreed to 2.

Do you back our coach and terrible recruiting and player development?

==> The coach was signed until 2020 because the CEO and Board always knew that the post Riewoldt, Montagna, Dempster period would be fraught with danger - where young men of 20, 21, 22 would be our core and we would lack class and leadership. They wanted Richo there when the real tilt starts in 2020 and the core is at the start of their peak years and the contract extension means while people and media can criticise, it is impractical to sack the coach and front a pay out.

==> Does the coach need to react better to this situation YES as we are back to the days of 2001 / 2002 / 2003 under Grant Thomas with a list filled with young talent. Hate GT all you want but he did everything to protect and nurture that talent including using uber-floods. We need a game plan adjustment and that is on the way. Marshall at CHF and Paddy at FF is the start. Hickey to the ruck (43% effective taps last week) and his tackles and possession count adds a midfielder to the middle when on fire.

==> the coach also needs better defensive mechanisms to stop a run on and especially the sling shot play that is killing us. Watch Hawthorn and they give away a deliberate free kick to stop the sling shot. It’s the little things that add up to make a game plan.

==> Recruitment is a lottery! However I am happy with most picks except Billings over Bontempelli. At the time we were crying out for a big bodied midfielder and the Bont was best available and Dal’s cousin. It should have been a no brainer. Billings will be a 200 game player and has skill but is still 2 years away from having the AFL body and fitness required to be elite. As for the rest of that draft year - happy with the value gained for our picks - especially Dunstan and Acres. Sinclair via Billings recommendation was a steal. As for Paddy - not all #1s burst onto the scene. For years Goddard was LAUGHED AT as the worst #1 pick - too slow and a receiver were the claims BUT once he hit 24 and had an AFL body he became a star. Paddy shows enough as a kid to know that once he hits 24 (concussion issues aside) that he too will be a star. Now he just needs the midfield to honour his leads and kick to his advantage. Carlisle, Membrey, Roberton are all wins. Savage has been ok at times too. Worried about Long. Coffield and Clarke look good. Overall our recruiting is 7/10. Am I happy? Not 100% but it is not the disaster flagged here and no side gets 9/10 or 10/10.

==> as for development that looks average. We lack strength and running power but we are fragile mentally. Our young kids are in their shell. GT had our kids believing in themselves. These kids are terrified of making mistakes. Only Dunstan seems to take the game on with agression at the moment. He has his mind right. Acres has his moments too. He is just gaining a belief. We really need to invest in personnel that can get their minds right, their endurance and strength up and then drill them to react and act under pressure.


Love to hear your thoughts.


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Re: St Kilda's blueprint for pre-2020 flag

Postby saynta » Tue 17 Apr 2018 10:28am

congorozides wrote:
parkeysainter wrote:Captain Hindsight at work again. Lol.



hindsight
ˈhʌɪn(d)sʌɪt/
noun
noun: hindsight

understanding of a situation or event only after it has happened or developed.

Do you think you have used that phrase correctly in this instance?

You cant even use the word correctly. You are semi illiterate.
You just give more confidence in branding you an idiot.
Notswure why you are lol'ing when you are parading your ignorance. You clearly dont even know what actually hindsight means.

Tip: The mere posting of an article from the past is not 'hindsight'.


Can't ffs not cant. And you have the hide to call someone else illiterate. And wtf is "notswure"?
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Re: St Kilda's blueprint for pre-2020 flag

Postby Con Gorozidis » Tue 17 Apr 2018 11:44am

saynta wrote:
congorozides wrote:
parkeysainter wrote:Captain Hindsight at work again. Lol.



hindsight
ˈhʌɪn(d)sʌɪt/
noun
noun: hindsight

understanding of a situation or event only after it has happened or developed.

Do you think you have used that phrase correctly in this instance?

You cant even use the word correctly. You are semi illiterate.
You just give more confidence in branding you an idiot.
Notswure why you are lol'ing when you are parading your ignorance. You clearly dont even know what actually hindsight means.

Tip: The mere posting of an article from the past is not 'hindsight'.


Can't ffs not cant. And you have the hide to call someone else illiterate. And wtf is "notswure"?


Nice one.
I'll say it again.
Parkey is as dumb as dog s***
I'm certain of it.

The club has failed against its own targets.
Just accept it and move on.
Hilarious that people want to argue against the plain obvious.
They are so caught up in the cultish Kool Aid they will defend their leaders no matter what.
Kind of like people in a church or cult who can't see fault in those at the top.

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Re: St Kilda's blueprint for pre-2020 flag

Postby saintspremiers » Tue 17 Apr 2018 11:45am

BFUSA - you raise some good points but it’s a bit flawed, as you haven’t factored in our terrible 2012 draft haul which was factored in in the 2014 blueprint clearly!

Also what about Freeman, Wright, Goddard, Mnchngton, McKenzie, Lonie all list cloggers that should either shown some potential or not on our list.

Re Richo’s contract - I see your point - but surely thy could’ve made a call mid season this year to be safe?

Richo didn’t need a big extension. He’s unproven and wouldn’t be in huge demand for another senior coaching gig mid last season
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Re: St Kilda's blueprint for pre-2020 flag

Postby parkeysainter » Tue 17 Apr 2018 12:38pm

saynta wrote:
congorozides wrote:
parkeysainter wrote:Captain Hindsight at work again. Lol.



hindsight
ˈhʌɪn(d)sʌɪt/
noun
noun: hindsight

understanding of a situation or event only after it has happened or developed.

Do you think you have used that phrase correctly in this instance?

You cant even use the word correctly. You are semi illiterate.
You just give more confidence in branding you an idiot.
Notswure why you are lol'ing when you are parading your ignorance. You clearly dont even know what actually hindsight means.

Tip: The mere posting of an article from the past is not 'hindsight'.


Can't ffs not cant. And you have the hide to call someone else illiterate. And wtf is "notswure"?


Lol. :D :) :lol:

He spelled dont also. It's don't. Lol.
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Re: St Kilda's blueprint for pre-2020 flag

Postby asiu » Tue 17 Apr 2018 2:26pm

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Re: St Kilda's blueprint for pre-2020 flag

Postby Con Gorozidis » Tue 17 Apr 2018 6:47pm

Yes minor online grammar corrections are not the same as complete lack of comprehension.
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Re: St Kilda's blueprint for pre-2020 flag

Postby Con Gorozidis » Tue 17 Apr 2018 6:49pm

This is a club that has begged for showcase games and a fair go from the AFL.
Yet everytime we get a chance to promote the club by actually playing decent football we serve up dog s***.

The club is good at serving up lots of bulls*** off field marketing and gimmicks though.
Lots of glossy brochures and videos with Mav flexing his muscles.
We are all sizzle and no steak.

We need regime change. A complete broom to sweep the place out.
I want the baby and the bathwater gone as well as the hose.
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Re: St Kilda's blueprint for pre-2020 flag

Postby BackFromUSA » Tue 17 Apr 2018 9:15pm

saintspremiers wrote:BFUSA - you raise some good points but it’s a bit flawed, as you haven’t factored in our terrible 2012 draft haul which was factored in in the 2014 blueprint clearly!

Also what about Freeman, Wright, Goddard, Mnchngton, McKenzie, Lonie all list cloggers that should either shown some potential or not on our list.

Re Richo’s contract - I see your point - but surely thy could’ve made a call mid season this year to be safe?

Richo didn’t need a big extension. He’s unproven and wouldn’t be in huge demand for another senior coaching gig mid last season


Saintspremiers - i am always open for healthy debate and happy to give my thoughts.

"our terrible 2012 draft which was factored in in the blueprint clearly!"

I actually think that we went hard at 2013 draft (3 picks in top 20) because they recognised that 2012 draft wasn’t the outcome that they wanted.

Let's look at that 2012 draft.

We got Hickey for Pick 13. I am well documented as being a Hickey fan and yes his 2017 sucked but it was creulled by injury.

After trading out of the mini-draft of 17-year-old players, as part of the recruitment concessions given to the newly established Greater Western Sydney Giants, the Giants had pick 1, 2 and 3 before using the pick 12 we gave up for Tom Lee - yes this was a bust - and even picks 24 and 45 we got in that swap with GWS ended up only producing Nathan Wright who struggles other than as a shut down player. Not a great return for 12.

But lets look at on who the picks were 12 onwards:

Jaksch
Lonergan
Corr
Garner
Thurlow
Simpson

Hardly household names either after 5 years in the system.

Grundy was next picked. We wanted him but he was thought to be top 10 and would be gone before our pick. Unbelievable that he dropped to 18. If they thought Grundy would be available they would not have traded for Hickey. Time will tell whether hickey can be as good as Grundy.

Tom just turned 27 a month ago and still has 5 – 6 years in the game. Prime years for a ruckman.

As I say the draft is a lottery and our picks in the 20s onwards were not great BUT not just for us. The list is VERY thin in quality across that draft.

In summary we got Hickey and Wright from that crop. Membery also was drafted by the Swans in that draft at pick 46 and we ended up getting him for nothing.

Not a brilliant draft BUT in a compromised draft and a poor draft crop I think it was better than you give credit.

As for "Freeman, Wright, Goddard, Mnchngton, McKenzie, Lonie"

Freeman - a gamble that may not have paid off. Unfortunate.
Wright - should be our #1 tagger and is poorly used IMHO
Goddard - way too early to call as he won't peak for 2 or more years and he has just lost 2 years to injury
Minchington - I love the meatball. A midfielder with a deadly penetrating kick. Should be used off half back. Hope he gets given a chance.
McKenzie - Should be a wingman not a backman (I say the same about Webster)
Lonie - too small and not enough composure

Like every side we shall turn over 3 - 6 of these types of players at the end of the year. They all have my support and admiration for making AFL level.

As for Richo's contract - the proof of the solid strategy is that he is bulletproof now that he is contracted to 2020 and this gives him a chance to lead this inexperienced group for the next few years without the media calling for his head. If he is not up to it during 2019 then I would expect he wont get to coach in 2020 - even if contracted.
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