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ace wrote:How did Hawthorn get away with giving their 2017 second rounder to Gold Coast instead of that from GWS via Carlton.

From AFL Indicative Draft
"If a club trades a future first-round selection, it may not trade any other future selections from the same draft. However if a club retains its future first-round selection, it can trade multiple future selections from other rounds."
Is it like playing a match, there are rules but they are not enforced.
There are guidelines to umpires that change from week to week and are enforced so play to the guidelines.
Rosco wrote:we will never get an answer other than it was approved by the AFL
So at the 2017 trade period GWS (premiers) goes to Brisbane (wooden spooners) and says.
Hey lets swap 2018 first round draft picks, we will give players X , Y, & Z.
Brisbane then drops 17 places in the first round for 2018 but probably 22 places during the progress of the draft.
Brisbane then goes and trades their second third and fourth round picks from 2018.
They can do this because they still have GWS 2018 1st rounder.
That's OK.
Hearing reports that AFL forgot about this rule, free kick hawthorn. At least the pick they kept (from GWS) will probably be worse than their own that they traded away.


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Rosco wrote:
ace wrote:How did Hawthorn get away with giving their 2017 second rounder to Gold Coast instead of that from GWS via Carlton.

From AFL Indicative Draft
"If a club trades a future first-round selection, it may not trade any other future selections from the same draft. However if a club retains its future first-round selection, it can trade multiple future selections from other rounds."
Is it like playing a match, there are rules but they are not enforced.
There are guidelines to umpires that change from week to week and are enforced so play to the guidelines.
Rosco wrote:we will never get an answer other than it was approved by the AFL
So at the 2017 trade period GWS (premiers) goes to Brisbane (wooden spooners) and says.
Hey lets swap 2018 first round draft picks, we will give players X , Y, & Z.
Brisbane then drops 17 places in the first round for 2018 but probably 22 places during the progress of the draft.
Brisbane then goes and trades their second third and fourth round picks from 2018.
They can do this because they still have GWS 2018 1st rounder.
That's OK.
Hearing reports that AFL forgot about this rule, free kick hawthorn. At least the pick they kept (from GWS) will probably be worse than their own that they traded away.
The rule is in relation to the original picks to be issued to any club. Clubs can trade any extra picks that they get in without restriction.


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Someone is definitely going to pick up the speccie machine Liam Ryan

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-26/n ... wa-combine


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saintsRrising wrote:
Rosco wrote:
ace wrote:How did Hawthorn get away with giving their 2017 second rounder to Gold Coast instead of that from GWS via Carlton.

From AFL Indicative Draft
"If a club trades a future first-round selection, it may not trade any other future selections from the same draft. However if a club retains its future first-round selection, it can trade multiple future selections from other rounds."
Is it like playing a match, there are rules but they are not enforced.
There are guidelines to umpires that change from week to week and are enforced so play to the guidelines.
Rosco wrote:we will never get an answer other than it was approved by the AFL
So at the 2017 trade period GWS (premiers) goes to Brisbane (wooden spooners) and says.
Hey lets swap 2018 first round draft picks, we will give players X , Y, & Z.
Brisbane then drops 17 places in the first round for 2018 but probably 22 places during the progress of the draft.
Brisbane then goes and trades their second third and fourth round picks from 2018.
They can do this because they still have GWS 2018 1st rounder.
That's OK.
Hearing reports that AFL forgot about this rule, free kick hawthorn. At least the pick they kept (from GWS) will probably be worse than their own that they traded away.
The rule is in relation to the original picks to be issued to any club. Clubs can trade any extra picks that they get in without restriction.
Exactly. That they traded their own 2nd rounder is my point.


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Con Gorozidis wrote:Someone is definitely going to pick up the speccie machine Liam Ryan

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-26/n ... wa-combine
There's another Goddard - Jeremy. Any relation?


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Ok Jaxons good sir,
Any chance you can provide us a few names of interest ? :D
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Con Gorozidis wrote:Someone is definitely going to pick up the speccie machine Liam Ryan

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-26/n ... wa-combine
the next eddie betts - you woudl have to drool over that one - a small that plays tall is lacking in our side


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Con Gorozidis wrote:Ok Jaxons good sir,
Give us a few names of interest :D

Might give you something on Friday who knows who is watching!


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jaxons wrote:
Con Gorozidis wrote:Ok Jaxons good sir,
Give us a few names of interest :D

Might give you something on Friday who knows who is watching!
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jaxons wrote:
Con Gorozidis wrote:Ok Jaxons good sir,
Give us a few names of interest :D

Might give you something on Friday who knows who is watching!
Is the list finalised and ready to go?

There must be a couple that have a chance of making it to 23 who we really like ...?

anyway... fingers crossed


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Post: # 1646328Post Con Gorozidis »

Ok. Getting close now.
Out of interest I wonder if there have been any instances of hacking leaking or subterfuge by clubs before the draft.


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True St Kilda patriot that I am I would rather not know if there is even the slightest risk it would stuff things up.

Sounds self righteous but stiff sh*t


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Con Gorozidis wrote:Ok. Getting close now.
Out of interest I wonder if there have been any instances of hacking leaking or subterfuge by clubs before the draft.
Would have to be all the usually dirty suspects: Essendon, Carlton, Filth etc....


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Hope we don't have the immediate post draft negativity like we did last year, when some posters complained about Gresham being a poor choice because he was only 177cm tall. Funny how two of the top four ranked players this year are 177cm and 178cm tall.


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cwrcyn wrote:Hope we don't have the immediate post draft negativity like we did last year, when some posters complained about Gresham being a poor choice because he was only 177cm tall. Funny how two of the top four ranked players this year are 177cm and 178cm tall.
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First bit I will give is let's hope North don't take Florent with their first pick.
It is a long shot but he may sneak through if Kangas take a slider from the top 10.


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lets hope you're right


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Callum Twomey has Florent going at 13 so I think our chances are slim on that one. Would be a good get though.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-23/c ... ntom-draft


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Does anyone know if there any coverage accessible other than Fox Footy for this year's National Draft?


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8bloggs wrote:Does anyone know if there any coverage accessible other than Fox Footy for this year's National Draft?
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Hey Jax - is TW on our radar?


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8bloggs wrote:Does anyone know if there any coverage accessible other than Fox Footy for this year's National Draft?
2016 NAB AFL Draft Friday 25 November Fox Footy 6:30pm AEDT 3AW SEN

There isn't much visually with the draft so the radio is just as good really.


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Devilhead wrote:Hey Jax - is TW on our radar?
Can you pm me please re TW?


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Con Gorozidis wrote:Callum Twomey has Florent going at 13 so I think our chances are slim on that one. Would be a good get though.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-23/c ... ntom-draft

Phantom drafts don't always turn out the same way as the real thing.
However I agree it's a big if he gets past Nth.
If he does though he could get very close to us.


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jaxons wrote:
Con Gorozidis wrote:Callum Twomey has Florent going at 13 so I think our chances are slim on that one. Would be a good get though.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-23/c ... ntom-draft

Phantom drafts don't always turn out the same way as the real thing.
However I agree it's a big if he gets past Nth.
If he does though he could get very close to us.
Understood. It is something I have been thinking about doing some statistical analysis on actually.
Looking back over the past few years - Callum Twomey has been very close in his top 15-20 phantom's to actual draft outcomes.
After pick 15 or so he tends to be a bit off though as do most of them.
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