Caro article says it all on cousins decision

[kaos theory]

Pretty much a good summary, and some of the points I raised last night...

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/s ... 48054.html

[chook23]

Pretty much a good summary, and some of the points I raised last night...

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/s ... 48054.html

Why would the board tell her ALL THE SO CALLED REASONS/FACTS

[kaos theory]

Why would the board tell her ALL THE SO CALLED REASONS/FACTS

I doubt the club told her everything explicitly, but there would have been many 'off the record' snippets of information form different sources, and she would have been snooping around & joining the dots, etc....

Also, it’s a way for club to get its reasons for a decision out into the public, without been directly accused of doing so.

[chook23]

Why would the board tell her ALL THE SO CALLED REASONS/FACTS

I doubt the club told her everything explicitly, but there would have been many 'off the record' snippets of information form different sources, and she would have been snooping around & joining the dots, etc....

Also, it’s a way for club to get its reasons for a decision out into the public, without been directly accused of doing so.

like a lot of journos

a lot of guessing

just like those that had him a certain pick up

papers/media.......................

[Eastern]

Why would the board tell her ALL THE SO CALLED REASONS/FACTS

I doubt the club told her everything explicitly, but there would have been many 'off the record' snippets of information form different sources, and she would have been snooping around & joining the dots, etc....

Also, it’s a way for club to get its reasons for a decision out into the public, without been directly accused of doing so.

like a lot of journos

a lot of guessing

just like those that had him a certain pick up

papers.......................

I agree

A lot of speculation & hope

not much substance !!

[Devilhead]

Obviously she is not going to reveal her sources however she could be easily second guessing some of these so called reasons as to why we rejected Cousins

The fact that he is still associating with known crims and that he didn't or made it impossible to submit to a hair test rings alarm bells

[St Igmata]

Why would the board tell her ALL THE SO CALLED REASONS/FACTS

I doubt the club told her everything explicitly, but there would have been many 'off the record' snippets of information form different sources, and she would have been snooping around & joining the dots, etc....

Also, it’s a way for club to get its reasons for a decision out into the public, without been directly accused of doing so.

like a lot of journos

a lot of guessing

just like those that had him a certain pick up

papers/media.......................

Their source is Pilgram

[chook23]

even if a little was passed on to Caro

why go then with spin to the members

[joffaboy]

Why would the board tell her ALL THE SO CALLED REASONS/FACTS

I doubt the club told her everything explicitly, but there would have been many 'off the record' snippets of information form different sources, and she would have been snooping around & joining the dots, etc....

Also, it’s a way for club to get its reasons for a decision out into the public, without been directly accused of doing so.

Geez - Rod Butterss was hung drawn and quartered for allegedly leaking infor to Caro. Wonder if Westaway will get the same scrutiny????

Caro has journalistic craft. As quoted above she would have got a snippett here and there and joined the dots.

If the bit about Rossy having serious misgivings is a fact....well there is not much else to say is there?

[joffaboy]

even if a little was passed on to Caro

why go then with spin to the members

Why not? It is the clubs "official" position. The story from Caro is just that, a story.

[chook23]

Who is Westaway

[joffaboy]

Who is Westaway

Good question. Too bad more didn't ask that this time last year when Footy First was the new messiah and Westaway was the white knight

[repta]

Not to mention the GREED factor. Why should the Saints have to reorganise players contracts for Cousins. Best possible deal should be 2 years, minimum plus reasonable (to good) game payments. Nothing more.
Still cant believe the Saints considered betting their future (premiership points, sponsors, draft picks etc etc) on a drug addict with a dodgy hamstring (because the Saints dont have enough problems with hamstrings).

[chook23]

Not to mention the GREED factor. Why should the Saints have to reorganise players contracts for Cousins. Best possible deal should be 2 years, minimum plus reasonable (to good) game payments. Nothing more.
Still cant believe the Saints considered betting their future (premiership points, sponsors, draft picks etc etc) on a drug addict with a dodgy hamstring (because the Saints dont have enough problems with hamstrings).

where did you get your facts from on contracts!!!!

[bigcarl]

st kilda rejected him because its major sponsor, Jeld-Wen, had notified the club early yesterday that it had major — read major — concerns at the prospect of recruiting the risky drug addict.

It rejected him because the club's coach, Ross Lyon, despite protestations from Cousins' manager, Ricky Nixon, harboured serious misgivings about the player, his potential and his effect on the team.

so the coach didn't want him and the major sponsor didn't want him.

caro's mail is usually pretty accurate, which is why she's been regarded for many years as the best "boardroom" football journalist in town.

[chook23]

st kilda rejected him because its major sponsor, Jeld-Wen, had notified the club early yesterday that it had major — read major — concerns at the prospect of recruiting the risky drug addict.

It rejected him because the club's coach, Ross Lyon, despite protestations from Cousins' manager, Ricky Nixon, harboured serious misgivings about the player, his potential and his effect on the team.

so the coach didn't want him and the major sponsor didn't want him.

caro's mail is usually pretty accurate, which is why she's been regarded for many years as the best "boardroom" football journalists in town.

so why the rubbish press release last night then.........

and the spin from Archie

treating members with contempt

[WayneJudson42]

st kilda rejected him because its major sponsor, Jeld-Wen, had notified the club early yesterday that it had major — read major — concerns at the prospect of recruiting the risky drug addict.

It rejected him because the club's coach, Ross Lyon, despite protestations from Cousins' manager, Ricky Nixon, harboured serious misgivings about the player, his potential and his effect on the team.

so the coach didn't want him and the major sponsor didn't want him.

caro's mail is usually pretty accurate, which is why she's been regarded for many years as the best "boardroom" football journalists in town.

so why the rubbish press release last night then.........

and the spin from Archie

treating members with contempt

Why the constant harrassment of AF?

The club chose an "official" line in that it decided that BC wouldn't be right for the club.

Was this incorrect? Most likely. If CAro was right, then we made the right call.. which is all that matters.

If AF came out and stated the same reasons, I suspect it would leave the club vulnerable to legal action because it would put any other club "off" recruiting BC.

Sometimes, less is more.

[Joey]

st kilda rejected him because its major sponsor, Jeld-Wen, had notified the club early yesterday that it had major — read major — concerns at the prospect of recruiting the risky drug addict.

It rejected him because the club's coach, Ross Lyon, despite protestations from Cousins' manager, Ricky Nixon, harboured serious misgivings about the player, his potential and his effect on the team.

so the coach didn't want him and the major sponsor didn't want him.

caro's mail is usually pretty accurate, which is why she's been regarded for many years as the best "boardroom" football journalists in town.

so why the rubbish press release last night then.........

and the spin from Archie

treating members with contempt

But lets imagine the club has other info on Ben thats no so positive, isn't the right thing to do is keep it private and not damage the guys reputation even more. Let alone the possiblity of being sued for damaging his name.

The club made their decision on all the information they had and now we have to trust them and move on.

[saintspremiers]

Why would the board tell her ALL THE SO CALLED REASONS/FACTS

I doubt the club told her everything explicitly, but there would have been many 'off the record' snippets of information form different sources, and she would have been snooping around & joining the dots, etc....

Also, it’s a way for club to get its reasons for a decision out into the public, without been directly accused of doing so.

like a lot of journos

a lot of guessing

just like those that had him a certain pick up

papers.......................

I agree

A lot of speculation & hope

not much substance !!

well it's a lot better than the crappolla the Scottish Git spun last night.

Well done Caro, even if only half of it is the actual facts, at least it gives some insight...

[Legendary]

Ok so the actual reasons for the decisions are as follows:

• Jeld-Wen had serious reservations and concerns about Cousins being drafted; in the current economic climate their sponsorship is extremely valuable
• Ross Lyon had serious misgivings about Cousins, his football ability and the impact he would have on the other players
• Cousins failed to submit a hair test to the AFL, and this raised some doubts in the minds of some board members
• Cousins had been hiding behind his manager and not speaking out himself, and this also raised some doubts in the minds of some board members
• Cousins was still associating with several people considered unsavoury by the club
• The club is serious about drafting young players and does not see a place for a 30-year old on the list

[GrumpyOne]

Ok so the actual reasons for the decisions are as follows:

• Jeld-Wen had serious reservations and concerns about Cousins being drafted; in the current economic climate their sponsorship is extremely valuable
• Ross Lyon had serious misgivings about Cousins, his football ability and the impact he would have on the other players
• Cousins failed to submit a hair test to the AFL, and this raised some doubts in the minds of some board members
• Cousins had been hiding behind his manager and not speaking out himself, and this also raised some doubts in the minds of some board members
• Cousins was still associating with several people considered unsavoury by the club
• The club is serious about drafting young players and does not see a place for a 30-year old on the list

Sounds like a sound combination of reasons IMHO.

[SainterK]

Ok so the actual reasons for the decisions are as follows:

• Jeld-Wen had serious reservations and concerns about Cousins being drafted; in the current economic climate their sponsorship is extremely valuable
• Ross Lyon had serious misgivings about Cousins, his football ability and the impact he would have on the other players
• Cousins failed to submit a hair test to the AFL, and this raised some doubts in the minds of some board members
• Cousins had been hiding behind his manager and not speaking out himself, and this also raised some doubts in the minds of some board members
• Cousins was still associating with several people considered unsavoury by the club
• The club is serious about drafting young players and does not see a place for a 30-year old on the list

Sounds like a sound combination of reasons IMHO.

The one point that kind of annoys me, is the hiding behind his manager. Because when he fronts the camera's and puts on a brave face, we are all so understanding...

[rodgerfox]

[*] The club is serious about drafting young players and does not see a place for a 30-year old on the list[/list]

When did this strategy come in??

Has anyone told Ross Lyon about this yet?

[Quixote]

Poster JOEY above is correct - Club should not come out and say these things.

Of all the reasons why we didn't get him, I reckon these three are the biggest:


* RL didn't want him

* Cousins wanted more money than we could afford (possibly as a result of Michael Voss's hand in the equation)

* Sponsorship misgivings

[Mr Magic]

st kilda rejected him because its major sponsor, Jeld-Wen, had notified the club early yesterday that it had major — read major — concerns at the prospect of recruiting the risky drug addict.

It rejected him because the club's coach, Ross Lyon, despite protestations from Cousins' manager, Ricky Nixon, harboured serious misgivings about the player, his potential and his effect on the team.

so the coach didn't want him and the major sponsor didn't want him.

caro's mail is usually pretty accurate, which is why she's been regarded for many years as the best "boardroom" football journalists in town.

so why the rubbish press release last night then.........

and the spin from Archie

treating members with contempt

But lets imagine the club has other info on Ben thats no so positive, isn't the right thing to do is keep it private and not damage the guys reputation even more. Let alone the possiblity of being sued for damaging his name.

The club made their decision on all the information they had and now we have to trust them and move on.

What absolute twaddle Joey.

We posters, who know none of the facts, know better than the Board.
Afterall, BC was a champion footballer 12 months ago and he's 'omg hot'.

That should be sufficient for the idiots on the Board to approve us going for him.

We should ignore anything else that we've discovered/uncovered as its not relevant compared to
he was a champion player 12 months ago
he's omg hot.