Blake dropped at last

villasaint · Thu 01 May 2008 10:24pm

I having nothing personal against Jason Blake. He works hard, has a big heart, but he really is not up to AFL top team standard. He turns the ball over and just doesnt get enough of it either. I thought he would have been dropped the week before but hey must have given him one more chance which he did not take and they have finally dropped him. I have been a bit down this week as i honestly think we may be in trouble this week against the tigers. We are not playing terribly but seem to be missing a bit of spirit. At the moment I feel a bit like we need to bottle GTs ability to get the player firing week in week out playing for eachother and being competitive with Lyons tactics and knowledge of the game. G in is a worry. Didnt get near it last week whereas the tigers dont bring bowden back in after he has played very well since being dropped a few weeks back. Think we will win now as there is no blake and no fiora will sleep well tongiht. Thoughts

joffaboy · Post: # 558694Post **joffaboy** » Thu 01 May 2008 10:27pm

Blake > you

Spinner · Post: # 558702Post **Spinner** » Thu 01 May 2008 10:38pm

joffaboy wrote:Blake > you

Blake > Most of us.

Blake < 22 St.K Players R7.

fonz_#15 · Post: # 558703Post **fonz_#15** » Thu 01 May 2008 10:41pm

my thoughts...you are an idiot.

blake is a top 25 player at the club and he doesnt need to prove anything to you idiots who continue to hang s*** on him.

the coaching staff are aware of his importance, and limitations, and he has still played more often than not.

either support the team and its players, or go follow carlton.

brown-coat · Thu 01 May 2008 10:52pm

Blake is easily in the top 20,000 AFL/VFL players of all time.

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Shaggy · Post: # 558711Post **Shaggy** » Thu 01 May 2008 10:55pm

brown-coat wrote:Blake is easily in the top 20,000 AFL/VFL players of all time.

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Smart comment.

But despite his weaknesses Blake also has a top 4 engine amongst the Saints list as well as being the number jumper and having some serious balls.

As an athlete Blake is exceptional.

skeptic · Post: # 558714Post **skeptic** » Thu 01 May 2008 11:04pm

personally I agree with the op

I've got nothing against Jason Blake... and i acknowledge that he is an infinitely more talented player than I will ever be and that he doesn't need to prove himself to me

i also acknowledge that this forum is really more about forumites expressing their opinions rather than serving the club in any which way.

IMO Jason Blake doesn't offer enough to be in the team... in the team as a defensive stopper which he is only ok at... slow, doesn't win a lot of ball, poor disposal, not a great spoiler.
Would rather have Raph in the team as a defender, McEvoy in the team as a ruck, and ne1 in the team ahead of him as a forward

villasaint · Thu 01 May 2008 11:12pm

no worries Fonz just an opinion mate. As I said nothing personal aginst him I support the club not individual players. If Blake is not in the team I believe the club and the team will be better off. Its not like we are being smashed with injuries. We have a few to choose from.

Spinner · Post: # 558722Post **Spinner** » Thu 01 May 2008 11:14pm

fonz_#15 wrote:my thoughts...you are an idiot.

blake is a top 25 player at the club and he doesnt need to prove anything to you idiots who continue to hang s*** on him.

the coaching staff are aware of his importance, and limitations, and he has still played more often than not.

either support the team and its players, or go follow carlton.

I would like to know what 'idiots' you are referring to? As only the OP prior to your comments had expressed their agreement with the selection...

And I would think you would find that Blake is just outside the Top 25 players at the club if you go by the selection table.

22 players + 3 Emergencies = 25 Total.

Blake isn't part of that equation.

So in summary,

-You are defending an accusation that doesn't really exist as nobody has actually 'hung s***' on Blake personally in this thread. Are you implying that he doesn't make mistakes, and doesn't cause turnovers?

-And most importantly you are using incorrect facts/made up analysis to support your argument.

Great work there!

Shaggy · Post: # 558724Post **Shaggy** » Thu 01 May 2008 11:21pm

skeptic wrote:personally I agree with the op

I've got nothing against Jason Blake... and i acknowledge that he is an infinitely more talented player than I will ever be and that he doesn't need to prove himself to me

i also acknowledge that this forum is really more about forumites expressing their opinions rather than serving the club in any which way.

IMO Jason Blake doesn't offer enough to be in the team... in the team as a defensive stopper which he is only ok at... slow, doesn't win a lot of ball, poor disposal, not a great spoiler...

But JB is one of the few athletes at the Saints who has the endurance capacity which RL's game plan requires.

In between time we have burnt off alot of explosive/non endurance players during RL's reign. And it is obviously continuing. But I would never underestimate some-one like JB who can run 15 kms stop and start in the game.

JB doesn't have the skill set of X but he certainly has more endurance and runs out the game much harder.

Personally I think X is more likely to win us a premiership than JB. But until RL thinks the same and changes the game plan accordingly to suit less endurance athletes, than JB is actualy amongst our top because he is doing what the coach asks whilst the others simply are not capable of doing it (IMO).

saintsRrising · Thu 01 May 2008 11:26pm

Interesting that many forumites have been roasting RL for not being attacking enough, playing too defensive a game plan etc.......

But this week he drops two players who are mainly taggers or defensive....but no praise for the more attacking 22 now assembled????

Spinner · Post: # 558729Post **Spinner** » Thu 01 May 2008 11:32pm

saintsRrising wrote:Interesting that many forumites have been roasting RL for not being attacking enough, playing too defensive a game plan etc.......

But this week he drops two players who are mainly taggers or defensive....but no praise for the more attacking 22 now assembled????

Correct.

Shaggy · Post: # 558733Post **Shaggy** » Thu 01 May 2008 11:43pm

saintsRrising wrote:Interesting that many forumites have been roasting RL for not being attacking enough, playing too defensive a game plan etc.......

But this week he drops two players who are mainly taggers or defensive....but no praise for the more attacking 22 now assembled????

Lol ... is Fish really a tagger?

Is Mini really a tagger?

Is Vossy really a forward?

Is Kosi really a forward?

Is Brooksy really a forward?

Interesting questions but the obvious answer is NO regardless of the needs of the Saints.

So rather than drop Fish I would have much preferred RL released Fish back to back line rather than drop him because he is not a tagger which RL hoped he was

tweedaletomanning · Thu 01 May 2008 11:45pm

Who cares what sort of "engine" he has...Great..let him run in marathons..he has really NO impact on footy games at all. He runs and runs...hardly gets the ball..and when he does, rarely does it translate to something advantageous. For his size, he lacks agrression. Bleeds for the club, no doubt.. but something is missing...just doesn't read the game...seems like the match committee agree with me.

saintsRrising · Thu 01 May 2008 11:53pm

Shaggy wrote:

Lol ... is Fish really a tagger?

I am glad you are laughing...

However if you read my post again you will read..

"are mainly taggers or defensive...."

So playing him as a backman is still using him in a defensive manner.

Fish is basically out for Schneider who is an offensive player.

saintsRrising · Thu 01 May 2008 11:58pm

Shaggy wrote:
As an athlete Blake is exceptional.

As an athlete I understand Rix is reportedly quite exceptional too.

Meant to be quicker with greater aerobic capacity than our other rucks...and even talls, except for Roo.

I still prefer our other rucks and talls though.

BAM! (shhhh) · Fri 02 May 2008 12:03am

The dropping of Blake offsets Dempster's inclusion nicely. I suspect Dempster will get the job on Richo which would otherwise have gone to Blake.

I agree with sRr, I take the selections as an effort to make the team more attacking. I like it.

saintsRrising · Fri 02 May 2008 12:07am

Anyway...the acid is now on Charlie and Dempster tp demonstrate that they are greater value than Blake.

If not then Blake.....or raph are waiting to graba sot back.....and this is a good thing.

Similarly Birss and Goose need to show the goods.

Bakes we assume will......but others such as L Fisher want his spot.

Armo is in...and hasa great future...but will have to work hard to stay in.

King smight be back for the Pies game,,,,,,,and a month or so after that Gilbert will be putting his hand up as well.

The GTrain is back......buut when King is fit.....there would seem to be one too many talls.

Again this is all good.

Shaggy · Post: # 558750Post **Shaggy** » Fri 02 May 2008 12:11am

tweedaletomanning wrote:Who cares what sort of "engine" he has...Great..let him run in marathons..he has really NO impact on footy games at all. He runs and runs...hardly gets the ball..and when he does, rarely does it translate to something advantageous. For his size, he lacks agrression. Bleeds for the club, no doubt.. but something is missing...just doesn't read the game...seems like the match committee agree with me.

Personally I think JB is a freak.

I still have a substantial bet that he will take mark of the year during his career. JB IMO has the biggest jump in the AFL.

Does that make him a top footballer ... no. The combination of endurance and jump/explosive athletic however is so rare. Plus he has the courage so it should all fit together.

For whatever reason he lacks something on the football side ... as an athlete (IMO) JB is one of the elite and I guess/suspect both GT and RL think the same.

Don't just watch his mistakes but watch what he does during a game and don't take for granted that it is normal to run 50 metres and jump 6 foot to punch the ball through the opp goals. It is amazing he can do it because it is not normal.

For whatever reason JB will never be a Dal and lacks certain football nous and skills. But he really is a very extraordinary elite athlete (IMO).

BAM! (shhhh) · Fri 02 May 2008 12:48am

tweedaletomanning wrote:Who cares what sort of "engine" he has...Great..let him run in marathons..he has really NO impact on footy games at all. He runs and runs...hardly gets the ball..and when he does, rarely does it translate to something advantageous. For his size, he lacks agrression. Bleeds for the club, no doubt.. but something is missing...just doesn't read the game...seems like the match committee agree with me.

If the match selection committee agreed with you, Blake would have dissapeared quietly years ago.

Carl Mynott · Fri 02 May 2008 12:52am

skeptic wrote:personally I agree with the op

i also acknowledge that this forum is really more about forumites expressing their opinions rather than serving the club in any which way.

I

Your right.......as far as the club and the teams performance are concerned this forum means absolute shite,its just a place for keyboard experts to try and out do each other........

Shaggy · Post: # 558768Post **Shaggy** » Fri 02 May 2008 1:05am

saintsRrising wrote:
Shaggy wrote:
As an athlete Blake is exceptional.
As an athlete I understand Rix is reportedly quite exceptional too.

Meant to be quicker with greater aerobic capacity than our other rucks...and even talls, except for Roo.

I still prefer our other rucks and talls though.

That is true. Rixy as I understand was a top APS runner.

But Rixy doesn't have a jump. He is a bit of a one trick pony and can't read the play. JB can.

The problem for JB is that half way through his career the AFL decided to limit the amount of run up the smaller guys are allowed going for a hit out.

Personally I think JB's career was hatchered by the AFL when they introduced the limited centre bounce run up. It killed GT's vision of rucks but GT was quite right. The best rucks were followers not dinosours. But now Dinosours are back in vogue

(But only because of rules)

saintsRrising · Fri 02 May 2008 1:24am

Shaggy wrote:
. But now Dinosours are back in vogue (But only because of rules)

You might be pleased to note that an athlete is most likely to go No 1 in this years draft then....

matrix · Post: # 558774Post **matrix** » Fri 02 May 2008 1:50am

ive never had a problem with blake being in the side.
can only remember one OUTSTANDING game he had tho and that was when he carved up Goodes once....Goddes just didnt pay him any respect and he paid for it all game.
other than that he is steady and always puts in each time he is picked.
ive heard he is highly rated as an athlete and person by his team mates and peeps at the club.

if he has to go, then so be it.....
lets see who wants a perm spot this week outta the players that are on the fringe

Sainternist · Fri 02 May 2008 2:06am

I'm not into having the team whipping boy mentality. JB has been a good contributer to the club over the past 5 or so years. Sure he doesn't have the most silky smooth skills, but has come in handy when we've lacked height.

Good luck to him in the 2's. Hope he gets another chance to prove himself.