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Re: Stocker Free

Post: # 2047017Post Sainter_Dad »

B.M wrote: Tue 19 Mar 2024 6:56pm Wow

A typo

Best you’ve got?’
No - but I am not really interested in the argument


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On the topic of demographic markers being introduced by corporations, I can thoroughly recommend listening to the Dark Horse podcast with Professors Dr Brett Winestein and Heather Hein who provide their insight from an evolutionary biologists perspective.

Kind of adds a little science to the debate of why the best candidate should be chosen over being selected to meet a quota of demographic markers.


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If you’re not interested in the argument then don’t weigh in


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Re: Stocker Free

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skeptic wrote: Tue 19 Mar 2024 7:38pm I think nostalgicsaint’s point is (and correct me if I’m wrong)…

If BM’s post is not gender related, then why mention it? It’s essentially introduced the point into the discussion.

Here’s the comment
The fact she is a women who hasn’t got a footy background heading up football in the biggest sporting competition in the country

Remove the underline part and the point is poignant without making the discussion something that it’s not

Exactly.

I'm far from the most woke human running around but there was no need to include it as a negative when discussing her capability.

Fwiw I think she is useless.


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It was gender related

Very few women understand footy at the highest level

Or any level

How many coaches in the AFL are women?
1 assistant coach
Out of nearly 100

In the VFL?
Don’t know of any?

How many women run state leagues, suburban leagues, elite pathways?


Fact is
In the mens game, it is 95+% run by males
Why?
Experience

How many females employed in the footy dept at StK?
Lyon
Goddard
Harvey
Enright
Hayes
Carroll
Bachelor
Misson
Fitness guy I don’t know
Silvagni
Allen
Dalrymple
Dal Santo
Analysts- are male
Club doctor- male
Strength and conditioning male
Physio?
CEO Dilena
Media manager - WOMAN


Pretty male dominated at StK

Are we a sexist club?


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The ruling was correct as the rule stands, but it is a bad rule that needs looking at.

How can you penalise the guy whose head was down over the ball and who had eyes only for the ball?

Dangerfield was second to the ball. The onus should be on him to protect himself.


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Post: # 2047029Post Scollop »

Was the umpire who paid the free to Dangerfield a woman?

Is the director of umpiring a woman?

Is the MRO a woman?

Let's get back to the issue here, of the incorrect call on the free kick and the dog act from Dangerfield.

We...as in the St Kilda boys need to line him up at every opportunity next time we play them.

Kane is just a puppet who does what she's told and she uses corporate speak and weasel words to excuse the AFL officials who make blunders at every level.


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bigcarl wrote: Tue 19 Mar 2024 8:54pm The ruling was correct as the rule stands, but it is a bad rule that needs looking at.

How can you penalise the guy whose head was down over the ball and who had eyes only for the ball?

Dangerfield was second to the ball. The onus should be on him to protect himself.
Actually:
wrote: A free kick to be awarded against any player who makes forceful contact below the knees of an opponent (does not apply to smothers with the hands or arms).

https://www.afl.com.au/about-afl/histor ... er%20goals.
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It was not below the knees - it was a knee - hence the reason Stocker has to face a fitness test.

NOT BELOW THE KNEES
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Should've been more of a response from our players I reckon.


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samuraisaint wrote: Tue 19 Mar 2024 9:08pm Should've been more of a response from our players I reckon.
We've got to stop being timid. We've got to stop being bullied on the playing field. We can't become successful if we accept that sort of act from a player like Dangerfield.

He is a dog and I agree he needed Stockers team mates to do something...but maybe they're afraid of the backlash from the media and the potential fines from the AFL.

Remember how Cyclops Mongol reacted when Nas attempted to give Dempsey a little ear massage?

The captain and the leadership team need to have a meeting with the coach and the football department and the directors and president of the club.

Make a stand and stop allowing these sorts of things from the more powerful clubs.

Is the club willing to help players with fines and the like so that ALL players are confident the club has their back?


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And the club should have demanded a please explain from Laura Kane as to 'No player left injured'


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I would argue Dangerfield made contact with Stocker

Not vice versa


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B.M wrote: Wed 20 Mar 2024 11:19am I would argue Dangerfield made contact with Stocker

Not vice versa
Especially seeing that the ball had already been punched before contact was made by Danger
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You cannot tell me someone as smart and experienced as Danger would not have known he had NO CHANCE of getting the ball - but every chance of injuring Stocker.


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B.M wrote: Tue 19 Mar 2024 8:41pm It was gender related

Very few women understand footy at the highest level

Or any level

How many coaches in the AFL are women?
1 assistant coach
Out of nearly 100
Glad BM understands football, helps enlighten all the women out there.

The lack of women at the highest level off field in the AFL probably has a correlation with the lack of women at the highest level in politics, corp Aus etc…


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Anyone who uses the term "woke" in this context is a f****** moron. Putting it lightly

Laura Kane is starting to piss me off but there is nothing woke at all about this. Anyone who insists as much needs an education.


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I did play for over 30 years!!!

Not sure she ever laced up a boot?!

Her summation of this incident is enough for me to safely say that I’ve got her covered!!!

Please dud
There are a few more female politicians that AFL coaches
Use a better analogy


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B.M wrote: Thu 21 Mar 2024 6:32pm I did play for over 30 years!!!

Not sure she ever laced up a boot?!

Her summation of this incident is enough for me to safely say that I’ve got her covered!!!

Please dud
There are a few more female politicians that AFL coaches
Use a better analogy
The_Dud has His/Her/Their barrow - let him/her/them push it.


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B.M wrote: Thu 21 Mar 2024 6:32pm I did play for over 30 years!!!

Not sure she ever laced up a boot?!

Her summation of this incident is enough for me to safely say that I’ve got her covered!!!

Please dud
There are a few more female politicians that AFL coaches
Use a better analogy
30 years at the highest level, that’s incredible, I think Harvey only had 20!

How many female PMs has Australia had since federation? How many POC? I suppose that shows only white men know how to lead the country, because they’re the ones that keep getting the job!


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Re: Stocker Free

Post: # 2047319Post B.M »

Julia Gillard - and she was s*** and kicked by her own party

I reckon I have forgotten more about footy than she will ever know

As evidence by her stupid comments


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