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Post: # 2038132Post NickyDal »

trade out some more experience next year to grab a couple more early SRDP's?

My suggestions.....

Seb Ross - will be 31 on May 7th 2024. If we could get a pick in the 20's I would trade him.
Bradley Hill - will be 31 on July 9th 2024. If we could get a pick in the 20's I would trade him.

Go to the 2024 Draft with our FRDP, our SRDP plus 2 picks in the 20's.

Then the hard part is nailing all those picks. But imagine if we did? :D


Thoughts?


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Post: # 2038134Post diddley »

31 year olds don’t get you picks in the 20’s


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Post: # 2038136Post B.M »

Neither player would get a pick whatsoever


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Post: # 2038138Post skeptic »

You’ve always loved a trade discussion Nicky D ;)


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Post: # 2038139Post SaintPav »

Unrealistic, as usual. Same old same old.

Brad Hill is playing a very important off field role for the club.


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Post: # 2038144Post saynta »

NickyDal wrote: Thu 07 Dec 2023 12:25am trade out some more experience next year to grab a couple more early SRDP's?

My suggestions.....

Seb Ross - will be 31 on May 7th 2024. If we could get a pick in the 20's I would trade him.
Bradley Hill - will be 31 on July 9th 2024. If we could get a pick in the 20's I would trade him.

Go to the 2024 Draft with our FRDP, our SRDP plus 2 picks in the 20's.

Then the hard part is nailing all those picks. But imagine if we did? :D


Thoughts?
Oh,ffs nexus. It's still 2023 and you are talking s***.


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Post: # 2038146Post CQ SAINT »

Poor Seb may be done.

I can't imagine him finishing his career at Sandy


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Post: # 2038157Post NickyDal »

diddley wrote: Thu 07 Dec 2023 6:19am 31 year olds don’t get you picks in the 20’s
I reckon a contending club might. You gotta be in it to win it.


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Post: # 2038158Post NickyDal »

Oh well, it was just a thought. It would be interesting if we got any offers. We are now in a position that we could cover the loss of Seb and Hill and then at the same time we could add another 2 young guns through the draft.


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Post: # 2038159Post mickey »

Why worry about next year's trades now ....... we're going to win the whole damn thing next year anyway!!!


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NickyDal wrote: Thu 07 Dec 2023 12:40pm Oh well, it was just a thought. It would be interesting if we got any offers. We are now in a position that we could cover the loss of Seb and Hill and then at the same time we could add another 2 young guns through the draft.
My shot at trade value in our 24+ age range. I don't think we would take any of these deals.

1st round
Sinclair
WIlkie
Steele
Marshall

2nd round
Battle (with another solid year might be worth a late first rounder)
Higgins
Clark (pending 2024 form improvement)
Howard

3rd round
Butler
Crouch
Dow

No Trade Value (possible trade with pick swaps)
Campbell
Ross
Webster
Hill
Wood
Membrey
Jones
Hayes
Cordy
Bonner
Paton


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Post: # 2038161Post wally »

Remind me what did we get for Billings ?


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wally wrote: Thu 07 Dec 2023 2:35pm Remind me what did we get for Billings ?
Salary cap relief and a sweetener for Essendon as thanks for the Gresham compo.

If we kept him on the list there's no way he would have played a senior game in '24.


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Post: # 2038166Post wally »

I was just pointing out that some of our players are under appreciated by some fans but over rated when it comes to value when trading out


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Post: # 2038168Post ausfatcat »

NickyDal wrote: Thu 07 Dec 2023 12:25am
Seb Ross - will be 31 on May 7th 2024. If we could get a pick in the 20's I would trade him.
Bradley Hill - will be 31 on July 9th 2024. If we could get a pick in the 20's I would trade him.

Thoughts?
The saints would take that very quickly, thing is no one will offer that


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Post: # 2038172Post Otiman »

wally wrote: Thu 07 Dec 2023 4:57pm I was just pointing out that some of our players are under appreciated by some fans but over rated when it comes to value when trading out
Of course, everyone wants something for nothing.


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Post: # 2038173Post Yorkeys »

Disrespect for Seb does the dissers no favours. Seb is a stalwart and remains important. You don't change players that have achieved so much like you might dirty socks. Nothing surer, some of the current bright new things won't come close to being as good as Seb.


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Yorkeys wrote: Thu 07 Dec 2023 8:01pm Disrespect for Seb does the dissers no favours. Seb is a stalwart and remains important. You don't change players that have achieved so much like you might dirty socks. Nothing surer, some of the current bright new things won't come close to being as good as Seb.
I dont think it's disrespectful to value Ross, at his age, as a second round pick.

I also believe a dignified retirement is on the cards. I hope so anyway.

If he regains full fitness, well we will have an outstanding sub to develop young mids behind.


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I’m terms of ruthlessness… I think we’ve actually made made some decisions devoid of sentimentality.

Gresh had been a career Saint and a match winner at times… arguably wanted more than he was worth and we let him go… arguably encouraged him to go.

Dmac has gone from whipping boy to club favourite… set to be offered a life line and then cut when an unexpected draft prospect remained

Billings was let go with us paying half for the privilege of moving him on.

Howard was reportedly made available but pbly not a ton of interest at that price I’m guessing.

I would say all of that was kind of ruthless whilst also staying on the right side of sensible


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skeptic wrote: Thu 07 Dec 2023 8:30pm I’m terms of ruthlessness… I think we’ve actually made made some decisions devoid of sentimentality.

Gresh had been a career Saint and a match winner at times… arguably wanted more than he was worth and we let him go… arguably encouraged him to go.

Dmac has gone from whipping boy to club favourite… set to be offered a life line and then cut when an unexpected draft prospect remained

Billings was let go with us paying half for the privilege of moving him on.

Howard was reportedly made available but pbly not a ton of interest at that price I’m guessing.

I would say all of that was kind of ruthless whilst also staying on the right side of sensible
And they cut Ratts off at the head to save the Prez.


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Vortex wrote: Thu 07 Dec 2023 8:47pm
skeptic wrote: Thu 07 Dec 2023 8:30pm I’m terms of ruthlessness… I think we’ve actually made made some decisions devoid of sentimentality.

Gresh had been a career Saint and a match winner at times… arguably wanted more than he was worth and we let him go… arguably encouraged him to go.

Dmac has gone from whipping boy to club favourite… set to be offered a life line and then cut when an unexpected draft prospect remained

Billings was let go with us paying half for the privilege of moving him on.

Howard was reportedly made available but pbly not a ton of interest at that price I’m guessing.

I would say all of that was kind of ruthless whilst also staying on the right side of sensible
And they cut Ratts off at the head to save the Prez.
Sort of.

The review of the football department, the reason we had Walsh do it, was because it was void of leadership.
Everyone was finding their way for the first time.

Thats when Ross was identified and signed.

Ruthless but sensible again.


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CQ SAINT wrote: Thu 07 Dec 2023 8:55pm
Vortex wrote: Thu 07 Dec 2023 8:47pm
skeptic wrote: Thu 07 Dec 2023 8:30pm I’m terms of ruthlessness… I think we’ve actually made made some decisions devoid of sentimentality.

Gresh had been a career Saint and a match winner at times… arguably wanted more than he was worth and we let him go… arguably encouraged him to go.

Dmac has gone from whipping boy to club favourite… set to be offered a life line and then cut when an unexpected draft prospect remained

Billings was let go with us paying half for the privilege of moving him on.

Howard was reportedly made available but pbly not a ton of interest at that price I’m guessing.

I would say all of that was kind of ruthless whilst also staying on the right side of sensible
And they cut Ratts off at the head to save the Prez.
Sort of.

The review of the football department, the reason we had Walsh do it, was because it was void of leadership.
Everyone was finding their way for the first time.

Thats when Ross was identified and signed.

Ruthless but sensible again.
I'm all for ruthless and sensible. Prez dodged a bullet in tbe process.


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Post: # 2038192Post NickyDal »

saynta wrote: Thu 07 Dec 2023 10:33am
NickyDal wrote: Thu 07 Dec 2023 12:25am trade out some more experience next year to grab a couple more early SRDP's?

My suggestions.....

Seb Ross - will be 31 on May 7th 2024. If we could get a pick in the 20's I would trade him.
Bradley Hill - will be 31 on July 9th 2024. If we could get a pick in the 20's I would trade him.

Go to the 2024 Draft with our FRDP, our SRDP plus 2 picks in the 20's.

Then the hard part is nailing all those picks. But imagine if we did? :D


Thoughts?
Oh,ffs nexus. It's still 2023 and you are talking s***.
My main man saynta. I'm not talking s*** at all. How about you add something decent to the discussion hey??


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NickyDal wrote: Fri 08 Dec 2023 12:43am
saynta wrote: Thu 07 Dec 2023 10:33am
NickyDal wrote: Thu 07 Dec 2023 12:25am trade out some more experience next year to grab a couple more early SRDP's?

My suggestions.....

Seb Ross - will be 31 on May 7th 2024. If we could get a pick in the 20's I would trade him.
Bradley Hill - will be 31 on July 9th 2024. If we could get a pick in the 20's I would trade him.

Go to the 2024 Draft with our FRDP, our SRDP plus 2 picks in the 20's.

Then the hard part is nailing all those picks. But imagine if we did? :D


Thoughts?
Oh,ffs nexus. It's still 2023 and you are talking s***.
My main man saynta. I'm not talking s*** at all. How about you add something decent to the discussion hey??
How about you concentrate on the year ahead and at the same time give a bit of respect to club greats like seb and Brad.


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Vortex wrote: Thu 07 Dec 2023 9:18pm
CQ SAINT wrote: Thu 07 Dec 2023 8:55pm
Vortex wrote: Thu 07 Dec 2023 8:47pm
skeptic wrote: Thu 07 Dec 2023 8:30pm I’m terms of ruthlessness… I think we’ve actually made made some decisions devoid of sentimentality.

Gresh had been a career Saint and a match winner at times… arguably wanted more than he was worth and we let him go… arguably encouraged him to go.

Dmac has gone from whipping boy to club favourite… set to be offered a life line and then cut when an unexpected draft prospect remained

Billings was let go with us paying half for the privilege of moving him on.

Howard was reportedly made available but pbly not a ton of interest at that price I’m guessing.

I would say all of that was kind of ruthless whilst also staying on the right side of sensible
And they cut Ratts off at the head to save the Prez.
Sort of.

The review of the football department, the reason we had Walsh do it, was because it was void of leadership.
Everyone was finding their way for the first time.

Thats when Ross was identified and signed.

Ruthless but sensible again.
I'm all for ruthless and sensible. Prez dodged a bullet in tbe process.
Might have been the CEO actually.
Walsh couldn't hand around and Misson needed to be promoted and the CEO just went back to the books.

A division in leadership is sometimes less dysfunctional than lack of leadership.

But we had s*** leadership. In the footy department.


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