Is Jack Sinclair a ‘First-choice midfielder’?

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Is Jack Sinclair a ‘First-choice midfielder’?

Post: # 2037381Post shanegrambeau »

-a genuine starting mid?

I saw Jake’s SaintsTV YouTube video where he says these draft and trade developments means that Sincs can be more of a full-time midfielder and I winced.

What do you think?

Am I being too precious, guarding Jack from the rigors of a full-time midfield occupation?

Does he have the physicality and physical attributes to improve our team performance across an entire season if he is a mid? Will it shorten his career? Increase his injury risk profile? What shuffling of the cards is needed?


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Re: Is Jack Sinclair a ‘First-choice midfielder’?

Post: # 2037384Post B.M »

Leave him at HB

He’s a dual AA there

It’s arguably the most important position


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Re: Is Jack Sinclair a ‘First-choice midfielder’?

Post: # 2037385Post B.M »

He can move through the middle of the ground


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Re: Is Jack Sinclair a ‘First-choice midfielder’?

Post: # 2037386Post CQ SAINT »

I expect there will be multiple players who can rotate around the ground when Sincs feels a need to get into the upfield action.

Is Sincs required in the square? He is damaging around throw-ins and has a dozen high clearance games but he is an AA defender.

I'd be looking to get Windy in there more as a blocker and power up Owens and Phillpou for more centre clearance work over the off season.


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Re: Is Jack Sinclair a ‘First-choice midfielder’?

Post: # 2037389Post SaintPav »

No!

Why mess with a player’s strength?

Jack needs to remain at HB for the majority of games. We need his rebound there.

Jake from SaintsTV is a bit of a Saints Pollyanna and sometimes not that realistic.


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Re: Is Jack Sinclair a ‘First-choice midfielder’?

Post: # 2037391Post realdeal »

SaintPav wrote: Fri 24 Nov 2023 12:40pm No!

Why mess with a player’s strength?

Jack needs to remain at HB for the majority of games. We need his rebound there.

Jake from SaintsTV is a bit of a Saints Pollyanna and sometimes not that realistic.
Agreed. He's a 2 time AA half back. He only went through the midfield because we didnt have other decent options.

I think he stays at HB next season with only occasional midfield minutes depending on game situations..


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Re: Is Jack Sinclair a ‘First-choice midfielder’?

Post: # 2037392Post Beno88 »

Our opponents would be delighted if they didn't have to worry about Jack Sinclair rebounding off half back.


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Re: Is Jack Sinclair a ‘First-choice midfielder’?

Post: # 2037406Post desertsaint »

would be robbing peter to pay paul, with some of the money lost in the theft.


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Re: Is Jack Sinclair a ‘First-choice midfielder’?

Post: # 2037451Post Banger9798 »

He is fabulous off half back and pretty decent through the guts. I'd say the occasional foray into centre bounces is ok for a change up, but 80% of the hbf


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Re: Is Jack Sinclair a ‘First-choice midfielder’?

Post: # 2037475Post spert »

One of the best HBs in the comp, not a natural midfielder but can add some zip and ball movement if moved there for part of a game.


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Re: Is Jack Sinclair a ‘First-choice midfielder’?

Post: # 2037477Post mad saint guy »

Nope. Elite half back who can have a run through the middle when a spark is needed but I don't think he should be a full time mid.


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Re: Is Jack Sinclair a ‘First-choice midfielder’?

Post: # 2037480Post CQ SAINT »

I seriously think we should consider rotating Sinclair with Windy and Clark, with the Clark starting mid, Windy on the bench and Sinc at running back.

Wanganeen and Hill can drop back when needed but let's get them controlling the middle of the ground.

5 established outside play makers.

Owens and Pou can help Steele and crouch with grunt and clearance work.

And hopefully Wilson and Collard could develop nicely as high half fwd/mids.


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Re: Is Jack Sinclair a ‘First-choice midfielder’?

Post: # 2037502Post shanegrambeau »

Wrong thread


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Re: Is Jack Sinclair a ‘First-choice midfielder’?

Post: # 2037506Post SaintPav »

Costs money to do that.

Tasmania is a big reason why the club will be hitting the draft again over the next few years and won’t be trading its early draft picks.


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Re: Is Jack Sinclair a ‘First-choice midfielder’?

Post: # 2037510Post B.M »

You should never trade early picks

First rule of drafting

Don’t trade a first rounder - unless it’s an established star u23yo

Second rule
Only trade 1 of your round selections in any one draft
Ie/ if you trade a second rounder you can’t trade third or fourth

You MUST continually build from the bottom and the top will take care of itself


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Re: Is Jack Sinclair a ‘First-choice midfielder’?

Post: # 2037525Post saynta »

B.M wrote: Sat 25 Nov 2023 11:16pm You should never trade early picks

First rule of drafting

Don’t trade a first rounder - unless it’s an established star u23yo

Second rule
Only trade 1 of your round selections in any one draft
Ie/ if you trade a second rounder you can’t trade third or fourth

You MUST continually build from the bottom and the top will take care of itself
Good sound advice


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Re: Is Jack Sinclair a ‘First-choice midfielder’?

Post: # 2037529Post SinCitySainter »

Jack was drafted in 2015 and spent the first 5 years as a good ordinary player running through the midfield. He was not an automatic selection as a midfielder but was often a rotation through the bench.
Then he was given a chance to play off half back and his game has become elite becoming one of the most dangerous runners and deliverers of the ball in the game. Why would we want to weaken the team by moving our best player away from the role where he has become the best in the game.


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Re: Is Jack Sinclair a ‘First-choice midfielder’?

Post: # 2037538Post saynta »

Champion Data ranked Sinclair as elite long before anybody else noticed him.


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Re: Is Jack Sinclair a ‘First-choice midfielder’?

Post: # 2037540Post SaintPav »

B.M wrote: Sat 25 Nov 2023 11:16pm You should never trade early picks

First rule of drafting

Don’t trade a first rounder - unless it’s an established star u23yo

Second rule
Only trade 1 of your round selections in any one draft
Ie/ if you trade a second rounder you can’t trade third or fourth

You MUST continually build from the bottom and the top will take care of itself
Club has unwisely broken this rule over the years…


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Re: Is Jack Sinclair a ‘First-choice midfielder’?

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SaintPav wrote: Sun 26 Nov 2023 3:30pm
B.M wrote: Sat 25 Nov 2023 11:16pm You should never trade early picks

First rule of drafting

Don’t trade a first rounder - unless it’s an established star u23yo

Second rule
Only trade 1 of your round selections in any one draft
Ie/ if you trade a second rounder you can’t trade third or fourth

You MUST continually build from the bottom and the top will take care of itself
Club has unwisely broken this rule over the years…
Rule 3. Get the selection right.


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Re: Is Jack Sinclair a ‘First-choice midfielder’?

Post: # 2037610Post Otiman »

We have recruited backups for half back and midfield. The best makeup is still unknown.

IMO Sinclair at half back then into the stoppages in the last third of the game is great for impact - almost like a sub.


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Re: Is Jack Sinclair a ‘First-choice midfielder’?

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You can’t guarantee getting the selection right

But you should guarantee having a selection in the fist round

Unless a ridiculous deal is on offer
Like an AA star at 18-22yo

You don’t jeopardise the future for the now in any circumstance


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Re: Is Jack Sinclair a ‘First-choice midfielder’?

Post: # 2037628Post CQ SAINT »

B.M wrote: Mon 27 Nov 2023 4:36pm You can’t guarantee getting the selection right

But you should guarantee having a selection in the fist round

Unless a ridiculous deal is on offer
Like an AA star at 18-22yo

You don’t jeopardise the future for the now in any circumstance
Unfortunately we had plenty of picks in the right range to get it right, but we didn't. The rest doesn't matter, after that.

The first 2 rules, improve your chances, they guarantee nothing.


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Re: Is Jack Sinclair a ‘First-choice midfielder’?

Post: # 2037653Post Teflon »

CQ SAINT wrote: Mon 27 Nov 2023 5:23pm
B.M wrote: Mon 27 Nov 2023 4:36pm You can’t guarantee getting the selection right

But you should guarantee having a selection in the fist round

Unless a ridiculous deal is on offer
Like an AA star at 18-22yo

You don’t jeopardise the future for the now in any circumstance
Unfortunately we had plenty of picks in the right range to get it right, but we didn't. The rest doesn't matter, after that.

The first 2 rules, improve your chances, they guarantee nothing.
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Re: Is Jack Sinclair a ‘First-choice midfielder’?

Post: # 2037658Post shanegrambeau »

Did you see Geelong’s draft record in the 2010-2022 space?
And compare that to Gold Coasts?

Different planets.


I think you can’t generalise.


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