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NVM Contract

Post: # 1993141Post MC Gusto »

Any update from those ITK??


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Post: # 1993142Post mad saint guy »

It's a pretty significant concern at this point. Especially since it seems like he's set to become a fixture at half back this season. Has to be a top priority


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Post: # 1993143Post Saintmike65 »

There are 2 things at play here…firstly, it was a legitimate home sick factor last year, particularly early on.
This maybe somewhat diluted with the recruiting of his cousin & good mate Isaac Keeler.
The second factor at play is, if he becomes a regular senior player that is also an important component in the way we play, which looks likely..this would increase his bargaining power for a better deal.
It would also improve his potential trade value to us!


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Need a list manager first.


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Need to adopt a strategy of not recruiting players that are at risk of the go home factor.

Also hoping we didn't just recruit Issac to keep NAS happy, hopefully he was recruited on merit and needs.


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Vortex wrote: Fri 20 Jan 2023 9:16am Need to adopt a strategy of not recruiting players that are at risk of the go home factor.

Also hoping we didn't just recruit Issac to keep NAS happy, hopefully he was recruited on merit and needs.
So don’t recruit from interstate?


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The Fireman wrote: Fri 20 Jan 2023 9:18am
Vortex wrote: Fri 20 Jan 2023 9:16am Need to adopt a strategy of not recruiting players that are at risk of the go home factor.

Also hoping we didn't just recruit Issac to keep NAS happy, hopefully he was recruited on merit and needs.
So don’t recruit from interstate?
If need be, interstate teams are moving in that direction, West Coast recently stated it was a strategy they are working.


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Post: # 1993160Post D.B.Cooper »

A bit of over reaction IMO.

Who of significance have we lost in the last 22 years with the “go home” factor?

Cripps
Begley (not much chop anyway)
D Wakelin - or did we force the trade to get Hammil?

What guns/ good contributors have been recruited from interstate and played their full career.

Just for starters…
Rooey
Lenny
Kossi
Steele
Armitage
Hudgton

Im sure this list will grow exponentially with the good Saintsationlists contribution.


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Post: # 1993161Post DJ Higgins »

If he hasn’t signed by season start then it’s not a good sign. Still enjoy him why we have him and make crows/port pay big time for him


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Vortex wrote: Fri 20 Jan 2023 9:16am Need to adopt a strategy of not recruiting players that are at risk of the go home factor.

Also hoping we didn't just recruit Issac to keep NAS happy, hopefully he was recruited on merit and needs.
Pretty insulting to Isaac. No, pretty insulting to both of them really. :evil: :roll:


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Re: NVM Contract

Post: # 1993181Post cwrcyn »

IF we were concerned about the go home factor, we wouldn't have recruited NWM in the first place. Nor Wilkie, or Phillipou.

Lenny Hayes came from NSW
Nicky Winmar from WA
Nick Riewoldt from QLD
David Armitage from QLD
The Wakelin brothers from SA
Max Hudghton from QLD
Sam Fisher from SA


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Post: # 1993184Post saynta »

Plus Steele, Bruce and Highmore are from the ACT.....Originally anyway.


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Vortex wrote: Fri 20 Jan 2023 9:35am
The Fireman wrote: Fri 20 Jan 2023 9:18am
Vortex wrote: Fri 20 Jan 2023 9:16am Need to adopt a strategy of not recruiting players that are at risk of the go home factor.

Also hoping we didn't just recruit Issac to keep NAS happy, hopefully he was recruited on merit and needs.
So don’t recruit from interstate?
If need be, interstate teams are moving in that direction, West Coast recently stated it was a strategy they are working.
I think it's perfectly acceptable to recruit Isaac to keep Nas happy. Why wouldn’t it be. We took Sinclair cause he was Billings bestie, looks like a solid strategy to me.


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Re: NVM Contract

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CQ SAINT wrote: Sat 21 Jan 2023 12:26pm
Vortex wrote: Fri 20 Jan 2023 9:35am
The Fireman wrote: Fri 20 Jan 2023 9:18am
Vortex wrote: Fri 20 Jan 2023 9:16am Need to adopt a strategy of not recruiting players that are at risk of the go home factor.

Also hoping we didn't just recruit Issac to keep NAS happy, hopefully he was recruited on merit and needs.
So don’t recruit from interstate?
If need be, interstate teams are moving in that direction, West Coast recently stated it was a strategy they are working.
I think it's perfectly acceptable to recruit Isaac to keep Nas happy. Why wouldn’t it be. We took Sinclair cause he was Billings bestie, looks like a solid strategy to me.
As long as there’s a certain football merit to it, I’m happy as well.

Isaac was predicted in most phantom drafts to go earlier than he did and many had him in the calculations for us. If the mates fact have him a marginal edge over someone else… I’m ok with that


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CQ SAINT wrote: Sat 21 Jan 2023 12:26pm
Vortex wrote: Fri 20 Jan 2023 9:35am
The Fireman wrote: Fri 20 Jan 2023 9:18am
Vortex wrote: Fri 20 Jan 2023 9:16am Need to adopt a strategy of not recruiting players that are at risk of the go home factor.

Also hoping we didn't just recruit Issac to keep NAS happy, hopefully he was recruited on merit and needs.
So don’t recruit from interstate?
If need be, interstate teams are moving in that direction, West Coast recently stated it was a strategy they are working.
I think it's perfectly acceptable to recruit Isaac to keep Nas happy. Why wouldn’t it be. We took Sinclair cause he was Billings bestie, looks like a solid strategy to me.
Resentment amongst teammates, strategy needs to be consistent around footy merit. If NWM is gone at seasons end and Isaac turns out to be a spud or leaves also then we've got it horribly wrong not once, but twice.


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The worry about the retention of Nas certainty has grown legs.
Word is he is very happy at the saints and the quality of his training that I see reflects that.


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Vortex wrote: Sat 21 Jan 2023 2:26pm
CQ SAINT wrote: Sat 21 Jan 2023 12:26pm
Vortex wrote: Fri 20 Jan 2023 9:35am
The Fireman wrote: Fri 20 Jan 2023 9:18am
Vortex wrote: Fri 20 Jan 2023 9:16am Need to adopt a strategy of not recruiting players that are at risk of the go home factor.

Also hoping we didn't just recruit Issac to keep NAS happy, hopefully he was recruited on merit and needs.
So don’t recruit from interstate?
If need be, interstate teams are moving in that direction, West Coast recently stated it was a strategy they are working.
I think it's perfectly acceptable to recruit Isaac to keep Nas happy. Why wouldn’t it be. We took Sinclair cause he was Billings bestie, looks like a solid strategy to me.
Resentment amongst teammates, strategy needs to be consistent around footy merit. If NWM is gone at seasons end and Isaac turns out to be a spud or leaves also then we've got it horribly wrong not once, but twice.
NWM is an untried kid with chicken legs, who cares?


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So is Keeler. Wasn't your strategy, 2 years or they’re gone? Nas was better then half the team last year on draftee coin, this year they will be deciding if the 7th figure is a 1 or a 2.

3 for $1m or 5 for $2m. Not a decision to rush for either party. I have a feeling if we want Nas, we will need to go 5 years.


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CQ SAINT wrote: Sat 21 Jan 2023 2:57pm So is Keeler. Wasn't your strategy, 2 years or their gone? Nas was better then half the team last year on draftee coin, this year they will be deciding if the 7th figure is a 1 or a 2.

3 for $1m or 5 for $2m. Not a decision to rush for either party. I have a feeling if we want Nas, we will need to go 5 years.
The 2 year strategy makes a lot of sense, especially for speculative long shot picks like Sharman. If a player like Sharman doesn't establish himself this year he should be cut and find a replacement. Better to have a higher turnover rate with those types of players than to keep for 3 to 5 years.

A 5 year contract for anyone but an elite gun of the game is stupid especially a kid that hasn't reached 100 games, plain madness.


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Vortex wrote: Sat 21 Jan 2023 3:24pm
CQ SAINT wrote: Sat 21 Jan 2023 2:57pm So is Keeler. Wasn't your strategy, 2 years or their gone? Nas was better then half the team last year on draftee coin, this year they will be deciding if the 7th figure is a 1 or a 2.

3 for $1m or 5 for $2m. Not a decision to rush for either party. I have a feeling if we want Nas, we will need to go 5 years.
The 2 year strategy makes a lot of sense, especially for speculative long shot picks like Sharman. If a player like Sharman doesn't establish himself this year he should be cut and find a replacement. Better to have a higher turnover rate with those types of players than to keep for 3 to 5 years.

A 5 year contract for anyone but an elite gun of the game is stupid especially a kid that hasn't reached 100 games, plain madness.
That's up to him and a South Australian club though isn't it. He is top 10 draft pick, he debuted in year 1, he will line up round 1, first 22 in his 2nd year.
It's not just because the rest are s***, the kid can play, what more do you want?


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If it takes 100 games to decide, your list will get old and very s***, over a very long time.


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CQ SAINT wrote: Sat 21 Jan 2023 3:32pm
Vortex wrote: Sat 21 Jan 2023 3:24pm
CQ SAINT wrote: Sat 21 Jan 2023 2:57pm So is Keeler. Wasn't your strategy, 2 years or their gone? Nas was better then half the team last year on draftee coin, this year they will be deciding if the 7th figure is a 1 or a 2.

3 for $1m or 5 for $2m. Not a decision to rush for either party. I have a feeling if we want Nas, we will need to go 5 years.
The 2 year strategy makes a lot of sense, especially for speculative long shot picks like Sharman. If a player like Sharman doesn't establish himself this year he should be cut and find a replacement. Better to have a higher turnover rate with those types of players than to keep for 3 to 5 years.

A 5 year contract for anyone but an elite gun of the game is stupid especially a kid that hasn't reached 100 games, plain madness.
That's up to him and a South Australian club though isn't it. He is top 10 draft pick, he debuted in year 1, he will line up round 1, first 22 in his 2nd year.
It's not just because the rest are s***, the kid can play, what more do you want?
He's shown he might be star of the game, a long way to go yet, let's see how his second year goes first. Too many kids before him have started well and faded quickly.

100 games is the sweet spot if a 5 year deal is suitable. I'd be surprised and disturbed if Walsh offers 5 years

Walsh crippled Collingwood with his incompetent list management and wreckless long terms contracts


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Vortex wrote: Sat 21 Jan 2023 3:55pm
CQ SAINT wrote: Sat 21 Jan 2023 3:32pm
Vortex wrote: Sat 21 Jan 2023 3:24pm
CQ SAINT wrote: Sat 21 Jan 2023 2:57pm So is Keeler. Wasn't your strategy, 2 years or their gone? Nas was better then half the team last year on draftee coin, this year they will be deciding if the 7th figure is a 1 or a 2.

3 for $1m or 5 for $2m. Not a decision to rush for either party. I have a feeling if we want Nas, we will need to go 5 years.
The 2 year strategy makes a lot of sense, especially for speculative long shot picks like Sharman. If a player like Sharman doesn't establish himself this year he should be cut and find a replacement. Better to have a higher turnover rate with those types of players than to keep for 3 to 5 years.

A 5 year contract for anyone but an elite gun of the game is stupid especially a kid that hasn't reached 100 games, plain madness.
That's up to him and a South Australian club though isn't it. He is top 10 draft pick, he debuted in year 1, he will line up round 1, first 22 in his 2nd year.
It's not just because the rest are s***, the kid can play, what more do you want?
He's shown he might be star of the game, a long way to go yet, let's see how his second year goes first. Too many kids before him have started well and faded quickly.

100 games is the sweet spot if a 5 year deal is suitable. I'd be surprised and disturbed if Walsh offers 5 years

Walsh crippled Collingwood with his incompetent list management and wreckless long terms contracts
Gut feeling tells me the kid will take a conservative approach & sign for 2 years.


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Saintmike65 wrote: Sat 21 Jan 2023 4:13pm
Vortex wrote: Sat 21 Jan 2023 3:55pm
CQ SAINT wrote: Sat 21 Jan 2023 3:32pm
Vortex wrote: Sat 21 Jan 2023 3:24pm
CQ SAINT wrote: Sat 21 Jan 2023 2:57pm So is Keeler. Wasn't your strategy, 2 years or their gone? Nas was better then half the team last year on draftee coin, this year they will be deciding if the 7th figure is a 1 or a 2.

3 for $1m or 5 for $2m. Not a decision to rush for either party. I have a feeling if we want Nas, we will need to go 5 years.
The 2 year strategy makes a lot of sense, especially for speculative long shot picks like Sharman. If a player like Sharman doesn't establish himself this year he should be cut and find a replacement. Better to have a higher turnover rate with those types of players than to keep for 3 to 5 years.

A 5 year contract for anyone but an elite gun of the game is stupid especially a kid that hasn't reached 100 games, plain madness.
That's up to him and a South Australian club though isn't it. He is top 10 draft pick, he debuted in year 1, he will line up round 1, first 22 in his 2nd year.
It's not just because the rest are s***, the kid can play, what more do you want?
He's shown he might be star of the game, a long way to go yet, let's see how his second year goes first. Too many kids before him have started well and faded quickly.

100 games is the sweet spot if a 5 year deal is suitable. I'd be surprised and disturbed if Walsh offers 5 years

Walsh crippled Collingwood with his incompetent list management and wreckless long terms contracts
Gut feeling tells me the kid will take a conservative approach & sign for 2 years.
That would make more sense for both parties


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Saintmike65 wrote: Sat 21 Jan 2023 2:48pm The worry about the retention of Nas certainty has grown legs.
Word is he is very happy at the saints and the quality of his training that I see reflects that.
Talk of him returning to the serial killer state at years end, is just that, talk.

By worry worts, who should know better, but don't.


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