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Obviously he has been a solid pick up as a FA from Adelaide

Consistent ball winner, hard as a goats forehead

When he first arrived he was carrying a bit, chubby in the face, bit of a gut.

He worked that off, and got fit and performed

However,

This season he’s gone nuts!!!

He is lean as fk, fit as fk, and training the house down!!!!
Has not missed a session!!!


My early tip for the B&F

Look for Hill to also finish high, his pre season similarly good
And fitness is back and through the roof

Windhager has been spoken about plenty. All of the hype is real.
He was a big bodied boy for an 18yo which is why he transitioned into AFL so easily.
However, he looks like he has been training for a world title fight!
Never seen a guy so lean and ripped!


My tip for top 3 in the B&F
Throw Steele and Sincs in there - that’s my top 5


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Nice to read such positive words.
No coincidence Steele and crouch are so lean with the boss building his game plan around run & spread.
We do need to get the skill level up to minimise turnovers.
On Monday there were some really basic skill errors occurring that need to be rectified if we’re to be any good this year!


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B.M wrote: Wed 11 Jan 2023 2:37pm Obviously he has been a solid pick up as a FA from Adelaide

Consistent ball winner, hard as a goats forehead

When he first arrived he was carrying a bit, chubby in the face, bit of a gut.

He worked that off, and got fit and performed

However,

This season he’s gone nuts!!!

He is lean as fk, fit as fk, and training the house down!!!!
Has not missed a session!!!


My early tip for the B&F

Look for Hill to also finish high, his pre season similarly good
And fitness is back and through the roof

Windhager has been spoken about plenty. All of the hype is real.
He was a big bodied boy for an 18yo which is why he transitioned into AFL so easily.
However, he looks like he has been training for a world title fight!
Never seen a guy so lean and ripped!


My tip for top 3 in the B&F
Throw Steele and Sincs in there - that’s my top 5
Is this from today's training?

Very happy with Crouch, he has been a terrific recruit.

How is Clark tracking?


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From what I’ve seen pre season so far


Clark - same - plenty of ability - not fit enough


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Re: Crouch

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Saintmike65 wrote: Wed 11 Jan 2023 3:23pm Nice to read such positive words.
No coincidence Steele and crouch are so lean with the boss building his game plan around run & spread.
We do need to get the skill level up to minimise turnovers.
On Monday there were some really basic skill errors occurring that need to be rectified if we’re to be any good this year!
I have no problem with run and spread, but it can come undone with poor disposal as you have suggested. Would like to hear who are the main culprits.


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Gershwin wrote: Wed 11 Jan 2023 4:25pm
Saintmike65 wrote: Wed 11 Jan 2023 3:23pm Nice to read such positive words.
No coincidence Steele and crouch are so lean with the boss building his game plan around run & spread.
We do need to get the skill level up to minimise turnovers.
On Monday there were some really basic skill errors occurring that need to be rectified if we’re to be any good this year!
I have no problem with run and spread, but it can come undone with poor disposal as you have suggested. Would like to hear who are the main culprits.
Might be a much shorter answer if you ask who 'weren't' the culprits


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For BM & Saintmike.

How is Ryan Byrnes training?

I think this kid has something, good pace, reasonable evasive skills, hard at it and looked trim and fit in the pics I’ve seen of training.

I think he’s in front of Bytel for running capacity and outside skills.

He looked a cut above VFL last year in the first half of the season.


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Saintmike65 wrote: Wed 11 Jan 2023 3:23pm Nice to read such positive words.
No coincidence Steele and crouch are so lean with the boss building his game plan around run & spread.
We do need to get the skill level up to minimise turnovers.
On Monday there were some really basic skill errors occurring that need to be rectified if we’re to be any good this year!
@saintmike65 do you think Ross is making skills the same priority as run and speed?


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saintly wrote: Thu 12 Jan 2023 8:33am
Saintmike65 wrote: Wed 11 Jan 2023 3:23pm Nice to read such positive words.
No coincidence Steele and crouch are so lean with the boss building his game plan around run & spread.
We do need to get the skill level up to minimise turnovers.
On Monday there were some really basic skill errors occurring that need to be rectified if we’re to be any good this year!
@saintmike65 do you think Ross is making skills the same priority as run and speed?
First you have to have the ball.


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saintly wrote: Thu 12 Jan 2023 8:33am
Saintmike65 wrote: Wed 11 Jan 2023 3:23pm Nice to read such positive words.
No coincidence Steele and crouch are so lean with the boss building his game plan around run & spread.
We do need to get the skill level up to minimise turnovers.
On Monday there were some really basic skill errors occurring that need to be rectified if we’re to be any good this year!
@saintmike65 do you think Ross is making skills the same priority as run and speed?
First, you have to have the ball.


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CQ SAINT wrote: Thu 12 Jan 2023 8:39am
saintly wrote: Thu 12 Jan 2023 8:33am
Saintmike65 wrote: Wed 11 Jan 2023 3:23pm Nice to read such positive words.
No coincidence Steele and crouch are so lean with the boss building his game plan around run & spread.
We do need to get the skill level up to minimise turnovers.
On Monday there were some really basic skill errors occurring that need to be rectified if we’re to be any good this year!
@saintmike65 do you think Ross is making skills the same priority as run and speed?
First, you have to have the ball.
Keeping it needs to be a priority.


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Gershwin wrote: Wed 11 Jan 2023 4:25pm
Saintmike65 wrote: Wed 11 Jan 2023 3:23pm Nice to read such positive words.
No coincidence Steele and crouch are so lean with the boss building his game plan around run & spread.
We do need to get the skill level up to minimise turnovers.
On Monday there were some really basic skill errors occurring that need to be rectified if we’re to be any good this year!
I have no problem with run and spread, but it can come undone with poor disposal as you have suggested. Would like to hear who are the main culprits.

Webster and Howard were culprits in defence, both are prone to brain fades.
On the flip side NWM kicking elite..must get the ball into his hands as much as possible coming out of defence!
Jimmy tends to be a bit cute with his decision making & at times goes horribly wrong.
Gresham kicks floaters, ball travels far too slow through the air.
Young Eyre is a lovely kick, low and quick through the air, Stocker had a shot at goal off 2 steps outside 50 & went 3/4 post high!
DMac has improved his kicking out of sight since 3 years ago.


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Saintmike65 wrote: Thu 12 Jan 2023 9:34am
Gershwin wrote: Wed 11 Jan 2023 4:25pm
Saintmike65 wrote: Wed 11 Jan 2023 3:23pm Nice to read such positive words.
No coincidence Steele and crouch are so lean with the boss building his game plan around run & spread.
We do need to get the skill level up to minimise turnovers.
On Monday there were some really basic skill errors occurring that need to be rectified if we’re to be any good this year!
I have no problem with run and spread, but it can come undone with poor disposal as you have suggested. Would like to hear who are the main culprits.

Webster and Howard were culprits in defence, both are prone to brain fades.
On the flip side NWM kicking elite..must get the ball into his hands as much as possible coming out of defence!
Jimmy tends to be a bit cute with his decision making & at times goes horribly wrong.
Gresham kicks floaters, ball travels far too slow through the air.
Young Eyre is a lovely kick, low and quick through the air, Stocker had a shot at goal off 2 steps outside 50 & went 3/4 post high!
DMac has improved his kicking out of sight since 3 years ago.
Dmac back training?


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Yes DMac trained yesterday


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Saintmike65 wrote: Thu 12 Jan 2023 9:34am
Gershwin wrote: Wed 11 Jan 2023 4:25pm
Saintmike65 wrote: Wed 11 Jan 2023 3:23pm Nice to read such positive words.
No coincidence Steele and crouch are so lean with the boss building his game plan around run & spread.
We do need to get the skill level up to minimise turnovers.
On Monday there were some really basic skill errors occurring that need to be rectified if we’re to be any good this year!
I have no problem with run and spread, but it can come undone with poor disposal as you have suggested. Would like to hear who are the main culprits.

Webster and Howard were culprits in defence, both are prone to brain fades.
On the flip side NWM kicking elite..must get the ball into his hands as much as possible coming out of defence!
Jimmy tends to be a bit cute with his decision making & at times goes horribly wrong.
Gresham kicks floaters, ball travels far too slow through the air.
Young Eyre is a lovely kick, low and quick through the air, Stocker had a shot at goal off 2 steps outside 50 & went 3/4 post high!
DMac has improved his kicking out of sight since 3 years ago.
I read elsewhere Mike that in any drill group he’s in Connolly stands out for this reason
Skills above most …..it’s why I’m a fan-boy
If he pushes out a Webster (oh gosh there’s that word again!!) happy days imo


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Gershwin wrote: Thu 12 Jan 2023 9:02am
CQ SAINT wrote: Thu 12 Jan 2023 8:39am
saintly wrote: Thu 12 Jan 2023 8:33am
Saintmike65 wrote: Wed 11 Jan 2023 3:23pm Nice to read such positive words.
No coincidence Steele and crouch are so lean with the boss building his game plan around run & spread.
We do need to get the skill level up to minimise turnovers.
On Monday there were some really basic skill errors occurring that need to be rectified if we’re to be any good this year!
@saintmike65 do you think Ross is making skills the same priority as run and speed?
First, you have to have the ball.
Keeping it needs to be a priority.
I agree there is no point in busting your arse only to hand the ball back to the opposition with poor skills. I watched the winning game against Geelong last night, we won it through sheer effort and moving the ball quickly. But our skills were second rate.

Our skill levels compared to there's, were left wanting - they were level above. Too many times we dropped marks or missed relatively easy targets by foot. If we want to become a top 4 side we absolutely have to clean up and improve our skills, because in the heat of important games we cant be giving the opposition easy turnovers. Those moments are as important as accurate goal kicking, they are critical to teams becoming sucessful IMO.

The kids we have coming through are a group of better skilled players, so hopefully they can squeeze out the weak links over time. I hope RTB puts as much importance in that as he does quick ball movement, if he doesnt we will get exposed.


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saintly wrote: Thu 12 Jan 2023 8:33am
Saintmike65 wrote: Wed 11 Jan 2023 3:23pm Nice to read such positive words.
No coincidence Steele and crouch are so lean with the boss building his game plan around run & spread.
We do need to get the skill level up to minimise turnovers.
On Monday there were some really basic skill errors occurring that need to be rectified if we’re to be any good this year!
@saintmike65 do you think Ross is making skills the same priority as run and speed?
There’s a heavy emphasis on ball movement, so yes, skills are a big part of that.
The boss obviously wants better exiting out of defensive 50, so ball use plays a big part.


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Teflon wrote: Thu 12 Jan 2023 6:00pm
Saintmike65 wrote: Thu 12 Jan 2023 9:34am
Gershwin wrote: Wed 11 Jan 2023 4:25pm
Saintmike65 wrote: Wed 11 Jan 2023 3:23pm Nice to read such positive words.
No coincidence Steele and crouch are so lean with the boss building his game plan around run & spread.
We do need to get the skill level up to minimise turnovers.
On Monday there were some really basic skill errors occurring that need to be rectified if we’re to be any good this year!
I have no problem with run and spread, but it can come undone with poor disposal as you have suggested. Would like to hear who are the main culprits.

Webster and Howard were culprits in defence, both are prone to brain fades.
On the flip side NWM kicking elite..must get the ball into his hands as much as possible coming out of defence!
Jimmy tends to be a bit cute with his decision making & at times goes horribly wrong.
Gresham kicks floaters, ball travels far too slow through the air.
Young Eyre is a lovely kick, low and quick through the air, Stocker had a shot at goal off 2 steps outside 50 & went 3/4 post high!
DMac has improved his kicking out of sight since 3 years ago.
I read elsewhere Mike that in any drill group he’s in Connolly stands out for this reason
Skills above most …..it’s why I’m a fan-boy
If he pushes out a Webster (oh gosh there’s that word again!!) happy days imo
I’m a Connolly fan too, it’s purely a gut feeling but I think the thing that holds Leo back is his belief he’s good enough at the level.
If you dissect his game, he’s got speed, good hands & foot skills both sides..he’s also feisty & brave.
One to watch!!


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D.B.Cooper wrote: Thu 12 Jan 2023 8:32am For BM & Saintmike.

How is Ryan Byrnes training?

I think this kid has something, good pace, reasonable evasive skills, hard at it and looked trim and fit in the pics I’ve seen of training.

I think he’s in front of Bytel for running capacity and outside skills.

He looked a cut above VFL last year in the first half of the season.
Byrnes is another one in great shape..the main thing going for him is a great endurance and pace.
I’m just concerned there aren’t enough strings to his bow to become a regular AFL player.


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Saintmike65 wrote: Thu 12 Jan 2023 6:44pm
D.B.Cooper wrote: Thu 12 Jan 2023 8:32am For BM & Saintmike.

How is Ryan Byrnes training?

I think this kid has something, good pace, reasonable evasive skills, hard at it and looked trim and fit in the pics I’ve seen of training.

I think he’s in front of Bytel for running capacity and outside skills.

He looked a cut above VFL last year in the first half of the season.
Byrnes is another one in great shape..the main thing going for him is a great endurance and pace.
I’m just concerned there aren’t enough strings to his bow to become a regular AFL player.
He is still young 21 yo, he just needs to improve his contested game and polish his kicking. The big thing going for him is he can find the footy, I am hopeful he gets a good run playing midfield with Sandringham and grows in confidence.
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Byrnes is a good little player

Will provide good depth and cover for injury prone player like Jones, Billings, Gresham and Clark

Webster is twice the footballer Connelly is … and then some

You need more than a neat kick to be considered a good player


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B.M wrote: Thu 12 Jan 2023 11:01pm Byrnes is a good little player

Will provide good depth and cover for injury prone player like Jones, Billings, Gresham and Clark

Webster is twice the footballer Connelly is … and then some

You need more than a neat kick to be considered a good player
Hard to tell based on selection.

Impressions led us to think Bytel was more in favour in '21 but Byrnes in '22.

Will be another Ross Lyon question I am curious about.


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Impatient Sainter wrote: Thu 12 Jan 2023 6:16pm
Gershwin wrote: Thu 12 Jan 2023 9:02am
CQ SAINT wrote: Thu 12 Jan 2023 8:39am
saintly wrote: Thu 12 Jan 2023 8:33am
Saintmike65 wrote: Wed 11 Jan 2023 3:23pm Nice to read such positive words.
No coincidence Steele and crouch are so lean with the boss building his game plan around run & spread.
We do need to get the skill level up to minimise turnovers.
On Monday there were some really basic skill errors occurring that need to be rectified if we’re to be any good this year!
@saintmike65 do you think Ross is making skills the same priority as run and speed?
First, you have to have the ball.
Keeping it needs to be a priority.
I agree there is no point in busting your arse only to hand the ball back to the opposition with poor skills. I watched the winning game against Geelong last night, we won it through sheer effort and moving the ball quickly. But our skills were second rate.

Our skill levels compared to there's, were left wanting - they were level above. Too many times we dropped marks or missed relatively easy targets by foot. If we want to become a top 4 side we absolutely have to clean up and improve our skills, because in the heat of important games we cant be giving the opposition easy turnovers. Those moments are as important as accurate goal kicking, they are critical to teams becoming sucessful IMO.

The kids we have coming through are a group of better skilled players, so hopefully they can squeeze out the weak links over time. I hope RTB puts as much importance in that as he does quick ball movement, if he doesnt we will get exposed.

The Geelong win was similar to the Richmond win..both of them were overall the better side for a large chunk of the game, however we had a surge that was the difference.


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Would love to know what Lyon thinks of his brother.

Matt Crouch isn’t listed as best 22, or even emergency, by some fan on The Roar in January.

He did play 11 games..(maybe some as sub?) in ‘22

But it’s hard to fathom. ‘21 was injured, but he was Best n Fairest, All Australian in ‘17. He’s younger than Brad. And we didn’t want to recruit him.

Is he better than Seb Ross, than Tow-ball?

Anyway, we didn’t pick him.


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Saintmike65 wrote: Thu 12 Jan 2023 6:38pm
Teflon wrote: Thu 12 Jan 2023 6:00pm
Saintmike65 wrote: Thu 12 Jan 2023 9:34am
Gershwin wrote: Wed 11 Jan 2023 4:25pm
Saintmike65 wrote: Wed 11 Jan 2023 3:23pm Nice to read such positive words.
No coincidence Steele and crouch are so lean with the boss building his game plan around run & spread.
We do need to get the skill level up to minimise turnovers.
On Monday there were some really basic skill errors occurring that need to be rectified if we’re to be any good this year!
I have no problem with run and spread, but it can come undone with poor disposal as you have suggested. Would like to hear who are the main culprits.

Webster and Howard were culprits in defence, both are prone to brain fades.
On the flip side NWM kicking elite..must get the ball into his hands as much as possible coming out of defence!
Jimmy tends to be a bit cute with his decision making & at times goes horribly wrong.
Gresham kicks floaters, ball travels far too slow through the air.
Young Eyre is a lovely kick, low and quick through the air, Stocker had a shot at goal off 2 steps outside 50 & went 3/4 post high!
DMac has improved his kicking out of sight since 3 years ago.
I read elsewhere Mike that in any drill group he’s in Connolly stands out for this reason
Skills above most …..it’s why I’m a fan-boy
If he pushes out a Webster (oh gosh there’s that word again!!) happy days imo
I’m a Connolly fan too, it’s purely a gut feeling but I think the thing that holds Leo back is his belief he’s good enough at the level.
If you dissect his game, he’s got speed, good hands & foot skills both sides..he’s also feisty & brave.
One to watch!!
Totally agree
I’m a massive believer as Clarkson did with Hawks that skill by foot in the modern gane is critical- can it be improved if you’re a dodgy kick like Byrnes? but it’s a lot of work
I agree re Connolly - it’s confidence he belongs
He’s shown at senior level before he can be damaging and find the footy so that’s not an issue
His kicking skills are innate- hard to teach that
Again, give me 20-25 by a good user by foot over 30-35 ball butchers/rainbow kickers anyday…they just don’t hurt u as much


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