Milestones

[B.M]

200 games – Seb Ross (181)

Now closing in on the 200-game milestone, Seb Ross has been one of the Saints' most reliable players for the past decade since being taken with pick No. 25 in the 2011 National Draft.

A dual club best-and-fairest winner, Ross has averaged over 25 touches per game in five of his last seven seasons. The 29-year-old enters 2023 off the back of another strong campaign, finishing fifth in last season’s Trevor Barker Award.

Ross will be just the second player on the club's 2023 list to surpass 200 games, joining Bradley Hill who reached the milestone in Round 10, 2022.



Get rid of him though - we need VFL players to hopefully improve.

[D.B.Cooper]

200 games – Seb Ross (181)

Now closing in on the 200-game milestone, Seb Ross has been one of the Saints' most reliable players for the past decade since being taken with pick No. 25 in the 2011 National Draft.

A dual club best-and-fairest winner, Ross has averaged over 25 touches per game in five of his last seven seasons. The 29-year-old enters 2023 off the back of another strong campaign, finishing fifth in last season’s Trevor Barker Award.

Ross will be just the second player on the club's 2023 list to surpass 200 games, joining Bradley Hill who reached the milestone in Round 10, 2022.



Get rid of him though - we need VFL players to hopefully improve.

Fit, strong, courageous, good tackler, durable, good quality, consistent AFL B grade player. Has been A grade at his best.

Also a decent bloke and very professional.

Not sure why SS punters don’t respect him.

Very good career to date from Seb.

[Vortex]

It will be interesting to see how RL coaches him, Ratts gave him freedom to take the game on in 22 and run from the contest to try and move the ball quicker from center bounces.

At times in the first half of 22 he looked like the complete inside AND outside mid, especially in our big wins against the Tiges and Cats.

Had an hysterical laugh recently when our BF correspondent suggested Connolly should replace Seb...you can't make this stuff up.

[B.M]

Because they are desperate, hopeful and wishful that if we bring kids in, they are going to be better players… it’s laughable

Right now if Seb Ross took on Phillipou in an intraclub head to head - he’d take him to the cleaners - ten years of AFL will do that - not to say Phillipou won’t end up a great player, probably better than Seb - but right here, right now - Seb is a proven AFL mid with a hardened body and enormous fitness base - Phillipou is out of the SANFL U18 and is under developed.

[cwrcyn]

One of the hardest running players we have and a solid performer. When we looked cooked in the second half of some of our games, he was still pushing as hard as he could and being competitive when others weren't.

I wouldn't be pushing him out of the team.

[skeptic]

Had a great 2022 - silenced most critics but also validated those that said he could go up a gear as he did. Pressure will be on to maintain that form, especially as he’s getting on a bit in football terms.

Needs to maintain the output… can’t go back to the times when he was doing roles. He’s too good for that

[saynta]

200 games – Seb Ross (181)

Now closing in on the 200-game milestone, Seb Ross has been one of the Saints' most reliable players for the past decade since being taken with pick No. 25 in the 2011 National Draft.

A dual club best-and-fairest winner, Ross has averaged over 25 touches per game in five of his last seven seasons. The 29-year-old enters 2023 off the back of another strong campaign, finishing fifth in last season’s Trevor Barker Award.

Ross will be just the second player on the club's 2023 list to surpass 200 games, joining Bradley Hill who reached the milestone in Round 10, 2022.



Get rid of him though - we need VFL players to hopefully improve.

Fit, strong, courageous, good tackler, durable, good quality, consistent AFL B grade player. Has been A grade at his best.

Also a decent bloke and very professional.

Not sure why SS punters don’t respect him.

Very good career to date from Seb.

And why would you respect the opinion of posters who continually bag him?

[saynta]

It will be interesting to see how RL coaches him, Ratts gave him freedom to take the game on in 22 and run from the contest to try and move the ball quicker from center bounces.

At times in the first half of 22 he looked like the complete inside AND outside mid, especially in our big wins against the Tiges and Cats.

Had an hysterical laugh recently when our BF correspondent suggested Connolly should replace Seb...you can't make this stuff up.

Got to give you a big tick for your post.

[Teflon]

Had a great 2022 - silenced most critics but also validated those that said he could go up a gear as he did. Pressure will be on to maintain that form, especially as he’s getting on a bit in football terms.

Needs to maintain the output… can’t go back to the times when he was doing roles. He’s too good for that

Correct
If he Slides back to 25 meter haymaker kicks in the air or racking up meaningless stats with not much impact he goes
Still like to see him pushed out by a kid with a higher ceiling (think Windhager) …just needs time…

[B.M]

Higher ceiling

Hmm 2 x B&F and AA squad

I think Sebs ceiling was OK

He’s a dual club champion and your patronising faint praise and digs at him are fkn disrespectful imo

Show a serious lack of knowledge

Watch the game, look at the actual output and make an informed comment
Don’t just jump on bandwagons

[Vortex]

How do we know Windy won't be like so many before him, adapt and transition to AFL level within under 10 games due to being physically advanced but level out to a fairly GOP level very early. I'm thinking Dunstan as our most recent example.

Many thought he was going to be the next Leigh Mathews after his first 5 games.

Its the problem with fanboys, they have the concentration span of a goldfish.

[Teflon]

Higher ceiling

Hmm 2 x B&F and AA squad

I think Sebs ceiling was OK

He’s a dual club champion and your patronising faint praise and digs at him are fkn disrespectful imo

Show a serious lack of knowledge

Watch the game, look at the actual output and make an informed comment
Don’t just jump on bandwagons

Would not get a game in top 4 sides midfields - we need to move on and we will in time …u keep clinging to BnFs..
I must say I’m not a huge wrap for BnFs given the calibre of our side over the past 6-10 years with Cho/Ratts at the helm..you can lower the bar all you like …that wouldn’t carry BnF weight at top 4 club and that’s the measuring stick
Who’s to say Windhager doesn’t eclipse him altogether? I’m backing him
Not interested in your cliched analysis it’s pretty basic stuff and I’d never suggest your footballing comments are “informed” you only answer your own questions with 1980s cliched footy opinions.. lol

[B.M]

Are you a child? Lol at the end of a slab of dribble is embarrassing

B&F Carries no weight - at League level

In a season where a side won 12 games he was voted by the coaches as the best player

He was put in the AA top 40 squad by a panel of experts

He averaged 29.8ppg and secured 14 Brownlow votes

And wouldn’t get a game in another midfield?

What a fkn ridiculous comment

Why is it so hard for you to accept

You want kids who’ve done absolutely FA in the side in his place - are you serious? Or are you stupid??
He finished 5th in last years TBA and he is the one jettisoned?!

Wtf would that be???

Stop listening to ignorant fans - start actually watching the games

Those players who don’t get a kick… maybe have a look in their direction

Wonder where Cooper finished in the TBA? Oh year, he couldn’t get a game - in an average team - and hardly got a kick in the VFL

[Teflon]

Are you a child? Lol at the end of a slab of dribble is embarrassing

B&F Carries no weight - at League level

In a season where a side won 12 games he was voted by the coaches as the best player

He was put in the AA top 40 squad by a panel of experts

He averaged 29.8ppg and secured 14 Brownlow votes

And wouldn’t get a game in another midfield?

What a fkn ridiculous comment

Why is it so hard for you to accept

You want kids who’ve done absolutely FA in the side in his place - are you serious? Or are you stupid??
He finished 5th in last years TBA and he is the one jettisoned?!

Wtf would that be???

Stop listening to ignorant fans - start actually watching the games

Those players who don’t get a kick… maybe have a look in their direction

Wonder where Cooper finished in the TBA? Oh year, he couldn’t get a game - in an average team - and hardly got a kick in the VFL

Tut tut tut
Name calling won’t get you anywhere (you’re actually cr@p at it)
That aside, Ross is a GOP by genuine AFL standards and will need to be weeded out/relegated to depth if we are to seriously challenge
Is that one of our kids? I hope so. I don’t really care …as long as it occurs cause that means we are moving forward
I’ll leave the petulant child like name calling alone as I think the board is aware of your idiocies.

[Vortex]

Are you a child? Lol at the end of a slab of dribble is embarrassing

B&F Carries no weight - at League level

In a season where a side won 12 games he was voted by the coaches as the best player

He was put in the AA top 40 squad by a panel of experts

He averaged 29.8ppg and secured 14 Brownlow votes

And wouldn’t get a game in another midfield?

What a fkn ridiculous comment

Why is it so hard for you to accept

You want kids who’ve done absolutely FA in the side in his place - are you serious? Or are you stupid??
He finished 5th in last years TBA and he is the one jettisoned?!

Wtf would that be???

Stop listening to ignorant fans - start actually watching the games

Those players who don’t get a kick… maybe have a look in their direction

Wonder where Cooper finished in the TBA? Oh year, he couldn’t get a game - in an average team - and hardly got a kick in the VFL

Tut tut tut
Name calling won’t get you anywhere (you’re actually cr@p at it)
That aside, Ross is a GOP by genuine AFL standards and will need to be weeded out/relegated to depth if we are to seriously challenge
Is that one of our kids? I hope so. I don’t really care …as long as it occurs cause that means we are moving forward
I’ll leave the petulant child like name calling alone as I think the board is aware of your idiocies.

How many players do you think need to be "weeded" out?

I think at best we have 8 - 12 players who could become flag types.

Now for the hardest question to answer, where do we find flag types and how long will that take?

Statistics prove that over 90% of the kids will come and go without even making it in the AFL let alone become a flag type.

So where are our flag types coming from, has anyone heard from Geoff Walsh yet and what his plan is? All I've heard him say is that we will go to the draft, clearly we have to procure from more sources than the draft so what is the plan?

But keep it simple Teffers, just a rough guess, how many players do we need to "weed" out and how long do you think it will take Lyon to build a flag type team?

[B.M]

Name calling?

That’s your domain, I never called you anything.

Let’s see how the season unfolds

IMO Seb Ross will play every game he’s available- let’s see who’s right

Remember - it a master coach picking the team!

[CQ SAINT]

I'm probably agreeing that Ross has been our most consistent mid over the last decade.
For 3 of those years, he was our best.
Howd we go?

[B.M]

12 wins in one of those seasons


Not sure if he was our best player and we performed poorly - it was his fault?

Flawed logic

More likely it was those who were our worst players at that time who were more to blame?

Question
How did you rate Jack Steven?

I think Seb, because he was there and he was our best player - he has become a symbol of mediocrity. And his achievements down played.

I think that’s a ridiculous notion. Players perform or not
In that era not enough performed - Seb was one of the few that did

[CQ SAINT]

12 wins in one of those seasons


Not sure if he was our best player and we performed poorly - it was his fault?

Flawed logic

More likely it was those who were our worst players at that time who were more to blame?

Question
How did you rate Jack Steven?

I think Seb because he was there, he was our best player - he has become a symbol of mediocrity. And his achievements down played.

I think that’s a ridiculous notion. Players perform or not
In that era not enough performed - Seb was one of the few that did

I did not rate Jack Steven. He was lazy, stupid and distracted.

[King Max]

Higher ceiling

That's what I think of whenever he kicks it.

Seriously he's been a great servant and still deserves a place in the team. But selection will be based on his 2023 performances, not what he did in 2019.

[CQ SAINT]

12 wins in one of those seasons


Not sure if he was our best player and we performed poorly - it was his fault?

Flawed logic

More likely it was those who were our worst players at that time who were more to blame?

Question
How did you rate Jack Steven?

I think Seb, because he was there and he was our best player - he has become a symbol of mediocrity. And his achievements down played.

I think that’s a ridiculous notion. Players perform or not
In that era not enough performed - Seb was one of the few that did

I'm just asking the question. You can't make up your mind if Seb is a great footballer or a great servant of the football club. I think you are trying to say the latter.

Robert Harvey was a great of the Club. Because Seb played in a s*** squad, his stats will say he is a great of the club. After we nose dived from finals. Seb is good. He was never an AA.

[B.M]

Was in the AA squad - not bad

There are about 15 mids picked in the squad - from 18 teams.

Seb is definitely a great servant and surely a very good player

You don’t average 30ppg in the AFL against quality opponents at the elite level if you’re not

Doesn’t matter how good or not your team is, you still need to get it done individually against quality opponents.

If being the best in a good team is the criteria to being great
Dunstall was a shitload better than Lockett

[CQ SAINT]

Was in the AA squad - not bad

There are about 15 mids picked in the squad - from 18 teams.

Seb is definitely a great servant and surely a very good player

You don’t average 30ppg in the AFL against quality opponents at the elite level if you’re not

Doesn’t matter how good or not your team is, you still need to get it done individually against quality opponents.

If being the best in a good team is the criteria to being great
Dunstall was a shitload better than Lockett

They were forwards BM. You are going off on a tangent but that's ok.
Dunstall, Lockett and Harvey are AFL legends.
Keeping punching though.

[B.M]

BTW

Jack Steven was a great player

I think all of his B&Fs were in bottom 4 teams (unlike Seb)

Sometimes to carry a team is far more difficult than being a part of a great team.

You get more attention, and you don’t get the ball given to you by guns!

Which is exactly why I rate Lockett as far superior to Dunstall

And if Jack Steven or Seb Ross played were in a great team - as the 4th or 5th mid - they would be outstanding.

Many great players ride on the coat tails of great teams, and get found out when they become the number 1 banana

Tim Kelly

[CQ SAINT]

BTW

Jack Steven was a great player

I think all of his B&Fs were in bottom 4 teams (unlike Seb)

Sometimes to carry a team is far more difficult than being a part of a great team.

You get more attention, and you don’t get the ball given to you by guns!

Which is exactly why I rate Lockett as far superior to Dunstall

And if Jack Steven or Seb Ross played were in a great team - as the 4th or 5th mid - they would be outstanding.

Many great players ride on the coat tails of great teams, and get found out when they become the number 1 banana

What did Geelong win with Kelly in the team? Where they great?
Hawthorn and Dunstall were great. Geelong have one one flag. Pfft.
Richmond and Martin were great.
Someone wins the competition every year
Great teams do it several times in a decade.