List Lodgement No 1

thirty-seven!? · Fri 05 Nov 2010 6:33pm

Animal Enclosure wrote:So based on that list we will have four picks in the National Draft (and/or Pre Season Draft) and four new rookies as well.

Likely to see 8 new kids added to the list. That is exciting.

Very exciting! 9 new faces if you include Jackson Ferguson!

saintly · Post: # 1020953Post **saintly** » Fri 05 Nov 2010 8:55pm

wow, at long last there is a proper list, so we know whats gong on.

ace · Post: # 1020957Post **ace** » Fri 05 Nov 2010 9:34pm

Spinner wrote:Comlpiments of Twitter... For those that havnt used it, I only signed up a couple of months ago and it has changed my life. Instantaneous information at my fingertips.

PS Tommy is on the list!

ST KILDA
1. Armitage, David
2. Baker, Steven (veteran -outside list)
3. Blake, Jason (veteran - inside list)
4. Cahill, Paul
5. Clarke, Raphael
6. Dal Santo, Nick
7. Dawson, Zac
8. Dempster, Sean
9. Eddy, Robert
10. Fisher, Sam
11. Gardiner, Michael
12. Geary, Jarryn
13. Gilbert, Sam
14. Goddard, Brendon
15. Gram, Jason
16. Gwilt, James
17. Hayes, Lenny (veteran - outside list)
18. Heyne, Nick
19. Johnson, Will
20. Jones, Clinton
21. Koschitzke, Justin
22. Lynch, Tom
23. McEvoy, Ben
24. McQualter, Andrew
25. Miles, Luke
26. Milne, Stephen
27. Montagna, Leigh
28. Peake, Brett
29. Ray, Farren
30. Riewoldt, Nick
31. Schneider, Adam
32. Simpkin, Tom
33. Smith, Alistair
34. Stanley, Rhys
35. Steven, Jack
36. Winmar, Nicholas
37.
38.
39.
40.
Rookie list
1. Archer, Daniel
2. Ferguson, Jackson**
3. Gaertner, Steven
4. Walsh, Tommy*
5.
6.
7.
8.

It is even now available on the AFL website
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx
Time stamped 10:40AM

ace · Post: # 1020958Post **ace** » Fri 05 Nov 2010 9:46pm

These list would imply that clubs MUST eventually have 38 players on their senior list and may have up to 2 veterans outside the list of 38.
They then may have rookies making the total up to 46 but 2 of these rookie places do not need to be filled.
It would then also seem that clubs (excluding special cases for Sydney, and Birsbane) are allowed 3 former scholarship OR international (not required to be former scholarship) rookies.

Walsh was never on a scholarship but he was an international.

All this means that unless St Kilda upgrades a rookie at List Lodgement 2 (due 2PM 10 November) they MUST make 4 draft national draft selections and MUST make 2 but can make up to 4 rookie draft selections.
These rookie draft selections will be called before Ferguson Jackson is called in the rookie draft.
Also if as it seems International rookies form part of the 3 special rookie category then St Kilda could nominate another international rookie and call him after Jackson.

saintbrat · Post: # 1020960Post **saintbrat** » Fri 05 Nov 2010 9:54pm

The club has had what Nettlefold describes as "positive" meetings with Michael Gardiner, but will wait until the ruckman returns from holidays to decide his future.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/s ... 5948531306

ace · Post: # 1020969Post **ace** » Fri 05 Nov 2010 10:51pm

St Kilda looks like having 4 picks Nos 24, 43, 60, 77 in this draft, assuming only North Melbourne uses their compensation pick this year.

A full 12 months of kids is available unlike last year when only 8 months became eligible.
BUT Gold Coast has signed 12 kids from the oldest 4 months during the course of this year.
AND has 3 Northern Territory Zone picks and 5 Queensaland zone picks ahead of the draft.
I still think this is like 40, 60, 80 and 98 in an uncompromised draft.

Last year St Kilda had picks 16, 32, 48, 64
But after trading in Lovett and Peake and trading out X Clarke the picks became 32, 60, 64, 77
But due to only 8 months availablity more like 48, 90, 96 and 111 in an uncompromised draft.
Surprise, surprise, those 90 and 96 were just delisted.

We should fare a little better than last year but only because last year our first pick was traded for a dud.

Saintersss · Fri 05 Nov 2010 10:57pm

ace wrote:St Kilda looks like having 4 picks Nos 24, 43, 60, 77 in this draft, assuming only North Melbourne uses their compensation pick this year.

A full 12 months of kids is available unlike last year when only 8 months became eligible.
BUT Gold Coast has signed 12 kids from the oldest 4 months during the course of this year.
AND has 3 Northern Territory Zone picks and 5 Queensaland zone picks ahead of the draft.
I still think this is like 40, 60, 80 and 98 in an uncompromised draft.

Officially, North are the only team using their compo. pick. And all Gold Goast's 17 year old picks where picked up last year. (Toy, Matera, Mckenzie, Weller etc. are the 17 year olds and they have been playing in the VFL the whole year with Gold Coast.), NOT this year.

ace · Post: # 1020971Post **ace** » Fri 05 Nov 2010 11:14pm

Saintersss wrote:
ace wrote:St Kilda looks like having 4 picks Nos 24, 43, 60, 77 in this draft, assuming only North Melbourne uses their compensation pick this year.

A full 12 months of kids is available unlike last year when only 8 months became eligible.
BUT Gold Coast has signed 12 kids from the oldest 4 months during the course of this year.
AND has 3 Northern Territory Zone picks and 5 Queensaland zone picks ahead of the draft.
I still think this is like 40, 60, 80 and 98 in an uncompromised draft.
Officially, North are the only team using their compo. pick. And all Gold Goast's 17 year old picks where picked up last year. (Toy, Matera, Mckenzie, Weller etc. are the 17 year olds and they have been playing in the VFL the whole year with Gold Coast.), NOT this year.

I think you will find that some of the 12, including the early signings you list, played the full year in the VFL, but the full 12 was not completed until later this year.

Saintersss · Fri 05 Nov 2010 11:31pm

ace wrote:
Saintersss wrote:
ace wrote:St Kilda looks like having 4 picks Nos 24, 43, 60, 77 in this draft, assuming only North Melbourne uses their compensation pick this year.

A full 12 months of kids is available unlike last year when only 8 months became eligible.
BUT Gold Coast has signed 12 kids from the oldest 4 months during the course of this year.
AND has 3 Northern Territory Zone picks and 5 Queensaland zone picks ahead of the draft.
I still think this is like 40, 60, 80 and 98 in an uncompromised draft.
Officially, North are the only team using their compo. pick. And all Gold Goast's 17 year old picks where picked up last year. (Toy, Matera, Mckenzie, Weller etc. are the 17 year olds and they have been playing in the VFL the whole year with Gold Coast.), NOT this year.
I think you will find that some of the 12, including the early signings you list, played the full year in the VFL, but the full 12 was not completed until later this year.

http://goldcoastfc.com.au/news-and-medi ... ds/page-1/

Date of Article: 25 November 2009

EDIT: However, I think GWS have the chance to sign 12, 17 year olds this year.

ace · Post: # 1020986Post **ace** » Sat 06 Nov 2010 12:33am

I stand corrected.

But I ask which of those 12 would now NOT be taken in the first 35 players in this draft if all were available.
I suspect none, so our pick 24 is at least 36 with some of the Northern Territory and Queensland zone picks going earlier too.

Remember these 12 would normally have been taken in last year's draft except that the age limit was changed by 4 months for all other kids.

ace · Post: # 1020988Post **ace** » Sat 06 Nov 2010 1:32am

Jarryd Allen and Leigh Fisher are officially gone.

borderbarry · Sat 06 Nov 2010 2:55pm

They are still listed on the Saints website as rookies Ace.

ace · Post: # 1021043Post **ace** » Sat 06 Nov 2010 3:21pm

borderbarry wrote:They are still listed on the Saints website as rookies Ace.

But no longer on the official AFL List.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx

The Saints website is way out of date.