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Yorkeys wrote: ↑Thu 07 Oct 2021 9:45am
But would they have bothered if it wasn't a sort of freebee?
Of course not, they are going to have to pay some Premiership players a lot of money in the next few years. Dunstan helps balance out their cap whilst offering some depth.
Melbourne were the first to stop their ute in Linton Street on hard rubbish day.
If Dunstan was genuinely as good as some think then compensation would have been generated by the AFL. Dunstan will have to become more than the player he was at St Kilda if he wishes to be in their best 25, let alone best 22.
takeaway wrote: ↑Thu 07 Oct 2021 12:02pm
I think, as Melbourne have stated, Luke is a terrific cultural fit for their club. After all, their top midfielders have developed a culture over the last couple of years of averaging at least one brownlow vote per game, and Luke fits right in with that culture.
Has been poorly managed by Ratts & co. I can understand they feel he will not fit into their future plans, but it seemed to be very public right from the start of the year, and later on it was reported he would not be offered a new contract. Why was that publicised ? All it does is diminish his trade/compensation value. Should have been selected when he deserved it, when others in the team should have been given a rest. I hope Bytel comes good, because at the moment he is a fair way behind Dunstan.
Anyway, Luke showed them in the second half of the season, and has now been picked up by the top team in the comp, no less. Will still be on the fringe, but hopefully will be given a fair go.
Good luck Luke, you have been a good, hard working Saint.
You're assuming that it was someone in the club that "publicised" the story that Dunstan would not be offered a new contract at some point during the year.
I doubt that this is so and believe it is more likely that it was someone in Dunstan's corner that leaked this to the press, and his bagging of the coach and club ("I wouldn't sign another deal with them even if I was offered one") after his exit interview suggests to me strongly that this was the case - sour grapes....
It also runs counter to the statement by the club when he was picked up by Melbourne yesterday wishing him well and thanking him for his service...
I too wish Dunstan luck and am disappointed that he failed to achieve his potential with the Saints, but responsibility for that rests squarely on his shoulders alone.
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takeaway wrote: ↑Thu 07 Oct 2021 12:02pm
I think, as Melbourne have stated, Luke is a terrific cultural fit for their club. After all, their top midfielders have developed a culture over the last couple of years of averaging at least one brownlow vote per game, and Luke fits right in with that culture.
Has been poorly managed by Ratts & co. I can understand they feel he will not fit into their future plans, but it seemed to be very public right from the start of the year, and later on it was reported he would not be offered a new contract. Why was that publicised ? All it does is diminish his trade/compensation value. Should have been selected when he deserved it, when others in the team should have been given a rest. I hope Bytel comes good, because at the moment he is a fair way behind Dunstan.
Anyway, Luke showed them in the second half of the season, and has now been picked up by the top team in the comp, no less. Will still be on the fringe, but hopefully will be given a fair go.
Good luck Luke, you have been a good, hard working Saint.
You're assuming that it was someone in the club that "publicised" the story that Dunstan would not be offered a new contract at some point during the year.
I doubt that this is so and believe it is more likely that it was someone in Dunstan's corner that leaked this to the press, and his bagging of the coach and club ("I wouldn't sign another deal with them even if I was offered one") after his exit interview suggests to me strongly that this was the case - sour grapes....
It also runs counter to the statement by the club when he was picked up by Melbourne yesterday wishing him well and thanking him for his service...
I too wish Dunstan luck and am disappointed that he failed to achieve his potential with the Saints, but responsibility for that rests squarely on his shoulders alone.
Nope, don't agree. The statement by the Saints is run of the mill stuff and proves nothing. No advantage to Dunstan to leak any of the above, so I have no doubt it was from club sources.
Poor management by the club, could have handled it much better.
takeaway wrote: ↑Thu 07 Oct 2021 12:02pm
I think, as Melbourne have stated, Luke is a terrific cultural fit for their club. After all, their top midfielders have developed a culture over the last couple of years of averaging at least one brownlow vote per game, and Luke fits right in with that culture.
Has been poorly managed by Ratts & co. I can understand they feel he will not fit into their future plans, but it seemed to be very public right from the start of the year, and later on it was reported he would not be offered a new contract. Why was that publicised ? All it does is diminish his trade/compensation value. Should have been selected when he deserved it, when others in the team should have been given a rest. I hope Bytel comes good, because at the moment he is a fair way behind Dunstan.
Anyway, Luke showed them in the second half of the season, and has now been picked up by the top team in the comp, no less. Will still be on the fringe, but hopefully will be given a fair go.
Good luck Luke, you have been a good, hard working Saint.
You're assuming that it was someone in the club that "publicised" the story that Dunstan would not be offered a new contract at some point during the year.
I doubt that this is so and believe it is more likely that it was someone in Dunstan's corner that leaked this to the press, and his bagging of the coach and club ("I wouldn't sign another deal with them even if I was offered one") after his exit interview suggests to me strongly that this was the case - sour grapes....
It also runs counter to the statement by the club when he was picked up by Melbourne yesterday wishing him well and thanking him for his service...
I too wish Dunstan luck and am disappointed that he failed to achieve his potential with the Saints, but responsibility for that rests squarely on his shoulders alone.
Nope, don't agree. The statement by the Saints is run of the mill stuff and proves nothing. No advantage to Dunstan to leak any of the above, so I have no doubt it was from club sources.
Poor management by the club, could have handled it much better.
Great management by the club for not keeping him on
Devilhead wrote: ↑Thu 07 Oct 2021 2:45pm
No comp pick would mean the Dees have offered Dunstan a very average contract.
Yes below average.
If we get no compensation pick offered that will mean that Luke will be in terms of remuneration in their bottom 30% next year.
30% and above we would get compensation.
That's not an average contract.
That's way below average.
Could it be that he thought he deserved more game time at StKilda, reinforced by 11 Brownlow votes.
Told St Kilda to go ...., thinking 17 other clubs would be impressed with his Brownlow votes.
Then bridges burnt he finds the other clubs mostly ignored him.
He was only offered table scraps.
Then to justify eating scraps to himself, the media and football fans he said I would never eat from St Kilda's table no matter what was on the menu.
Personally I hope not.
That the AFL is struggling with their compensation assessment because of the discrepancy between Melbourne's contract and his Brownlow votes and past B&F performances.
I have not seen any announcement saying no compensation.
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Devilhead wrote: ↑Thu 07 Oct 2021 2:45pm
No comp pick would mean the Dees have offered Dunstan a very average contract.
Yes below average.
If we get no compensation pick offered that will mean that Luke will be in terms of remuneration in their bottom 30% next year.
30% and above we would get compensation.
Bottom 30% is not a way to say we see you have future, it is a way to say that you will probably be delisted in the next two years or when your contract expires.
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When I was a young child, I knew that I knew so much about so much.
Now that I am old and know so much more, I know that I know so much about so little, and so little about so much.
If you are not engaging AI actively and aggressively, you are doing it wrong.
You are not going to lose your job to AI.
You are going lose your job to somebody who uses AI.
Your company is not going to go out of business because of AI.
Your company is going to out of business because another company used AI.
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Maybe Dunny and the Junkyard Dog could apply to play in the AFLW.
Dunny would certainly get a bigger contract.
And the Junkyard Dog would dominate.
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If you are not engaging AI actively and aggressively, you are doing it wrong.
You are not going to lose your job to AI.
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Your company is not going to go out of business because of AI.
Your company is going to out of business because another company used AI.
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Dunstan claims Ratten did not rate him.
Apparently no free agency (yet to be confirmed) places him in the bottom 30%.
That's not in the best 22, it is not even in the best 30.
Seems his new club does not rate him either.
The more you know, the more you know you don't know.
When I was a young child, I knew that I knew so much about so much.
Now that I am old and know so much more, I know that I know so much about so little, and so little about so much.
If you are not engaging AI actively and aggressively, you are doing it wrong.
You are not going to lose your job to AI.
You are going lose your job to somebody who uses AI.
Your company is not going to go out of business because of AI.
Your company is going to out of business because another company used AI.
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