Maybe Lonie and Savage on the move

[The Barometer]

Savage to HBF
Long to FP

Trade Lonie if we can get a good swap for him
Kent to Siberia

Long thinks about the next possession after his. Much better at attacking from defence. Savage belts it forward. Much prefer Long at HBF.

[samoht]

Kent to Siberia

That's still too close for comfort.

[bangaulegend]

I thought Savage was handy & Lonie was a spectator . IMO get a second rounder for Lonie take it

[saintbob]

Seriously Lonie has embarrassed our great jumper enough, f*** him off!!!

[The OtherThommo]

From the heraldsun.com.au

CLUBS CIRCLE SAINT LONIE

"Jack Lonie has as many as four suitors – three from Victoria – as he attempts to secure a two-season deal from the Saints.

Heading into the final against Richmond Lonie had played 12 games for 46 score involvements and a dozen goals as one of the success stories for Brett Ratten’s Saints.

But he has been offered only a one-season deal and would want enough security in a two-season deal to stay put.

The Bulldogs are one of those teams keen to add some bite to their half forward line as Cody Weightman takes time to mature, with Tory Dickson having retired and Ben Cavarra having failed to make an impact after being recruited from the VFL.

St Kilda’s Shane Savage, coming in for only his second game of the season for the final given Ben Long’s suspension, has interest from rival clubs and will likely move on after this season."

Can understand Savage as saints can't play them all but would be crazy not to try and hold on to Lonie

With Lonie it depends who our recruiting staff have their eyes on - maybe someone who replaces Lonie in the team next year?
If they're recruiting Midfielders then Gresham goes back to his small forward role with only an occasional run in the middle.
I'd have him over Lonie in that position.

With ya, Maj. If value can be exchanged, Lonie's very expendable - tonight showed that. He's very, very one sided, and lacks the physical strength to compete in tough contests.

[The OtherThommo]

There were big question marks about Jack Lonie's future two years ago as well.

At age 24 and 75 games he is exactly the sort of player that the club needs in the upcoming years, and I would be very surprised if St Kilda don't offer him at least another 2 or even 3 more years, he is most certainly "best 22" right now and will only get better!

Nah, struggles to win his own ball, and that's imperative these days - not every contest, but certainly occasionally.

[The OtherThommo]

Lonie is too short/small for the torrid finals .... I would have even preferred someone like Langlands intsead - someone bigger-bodied, anyway.
Maybe even Parker?

Not Parker, but you're central point is right - "too short/small for the torrid finals" - bang on - saw it tonight

[magnifisaint]

Lonie is surplus to requirements so is Savage. Savage has served his purpose and been good for the club. Saints are crying out for mids!

[st.byron]

Luke Dunstan might also have some trade currency. No idea what the club is thinking but I reckon Lonie, Savage, Webster, McKenzie, Roberton would all be in the mix. Billings and Ross too if the price is right. Kent shouldn’t play again IMO. Has never looked like a consistent AFL quality player. He has another year on his contract though - is that right? So I guess he’ll be on the list again.

[StPeter]

Savage showed tonight he is too good to be out of our best 22.

Still well ahead of Paton.

Savage is not a smart user of the football. Paton is. Paton is the future.

I totally disagree. Paton often hesitates with the ball and is too slow making decisions.
He certainly has potential but in our bottom 3 against Richmond. His opponent was their matchwinner and close to BOG.

[longtimesaint]

Just about Payton’s poorest game for the year and probably due to the heavy elbow to the head causing a lot of blood.
Has been very good this season and beaten most of the dangerous small forwards.

[SaintPav]

Luke Dunstan might also have some trade currency. No idea what the club is thinking but I reckon Lonie, Savage, Webster, McKenzie, Roberton would all be in the mix. Billings and Ross too if the price is right. Kent shouldn’t play again IMO. Has never looked like a consistent AFL quality player. He has another year on his contract though - is that right? So I guess he’ll be on the list again.

I believe so.

On decent coin too.

[SaintPav]

A bit harsh on Paton.

He was off the ground for at least one of Bolton’s goal having brain surgery after being bashed at the back of the head by Lynch.

[magnifisaint]

A bit harsh on Paton.

He was off the ground for at least one of Bolton’s goal having brain surgery after being bashed at the back of the head by Lynch.

Bolton kicked 2 out of his ass. Wasn't to be for the Saints

[shanegrambeau]

Lonie is surplus to requirements so is Savage. Savage has served his purpose and been good for the club. Saints are crying out for mids!

Lonie had a poor night, but has contributed more than Kent throughout the year, even having played fewer games.

I don’t understand the logic of our selectors

[st.byron]

Luke Dunstan might also have some trade currency. No idea what the club is thinking but I reckon Lonie, Savage, Webster, McKenzie, Roberton would all be in the mix. Billings and Ross too if the price is right. Kent shouldn’t play again IMO. Has never looked like a consistent AFL quality player. He has another year on his contract though - is that right? So I guess he’ll be on the list again.

I believe so.

On decent coin too.

That was a poor decision. To give a fringe GOP 3 years on decent money. He’s never really shown any consistency. Flashes of doing something noticeable and a goal here or there but no consistency to warrant a best 22 place. And his rubber chest in the elimination final was embarrassing.

[saynta]

Luke Dunstan might also have some trade currency. No idea what the club is thinking but I reckon Lonie, Savage, Webster, McKenzie, Roberton would all be in the mix. Billings and Ross too if the price is right. Kent shouldn’t play again IMO. Has never looked like a consistent AFL quality player. He has another year on his contract though - is that right? So I guess he’ll be on the list again.

No way a club champion and a club leader should ever be traded for f*** sake.

[Gershwin]

Lonie is surplus to requirements so is Savage. Savage has served his purpose and been good for the club. Saints are crying out for mids!

Lonie had a poor night, but has contributed more than Kent throughout the year, even having played fewer games.

I don’t understand the logic of our selectors

Nobody wants Kent.

[saynta]

Lonie is surplus to requirements so is Savage. Savage has served his purpose and been good for the club. Saints are crying out for mids!

Lonie had a poor night, but has contributed more than Kent throughout the year, even having played fewer games.

I don’t understand the logic of our selectors

Nobody wants Kent.

Correct. Not consistent enough.

[st.byron]

Luke Dunstan might also have some trade currency. No idea what the club is thinking but I reckon Lonie, Savage, Webster, McKenzie, Roberton would all be in the mix. Billings and Ross too if the price is right. Kent shouldn’t play again IMO. Has never looked like a consistent AFL quality player. He has another year on his contract though - is that right? So I guess he’ll be on the list again.

No way a club champion and a club leader should ever be traded for f*** sake.

Agree it’s unlikely, but time to be ruthless. If the price is right then worth considering.

[skeptic]

Luke Dunstan might also have some trade currency. No idea what the club is thinking but I reckon Lonie, Savage, Webster, McKenzie, Roberton would all be in the mix. Billings and Ross too if the price is right. Kent shouldn’t play again IMO. Has never looked like a consistent AFL quality player. He has another year on his contract though - is that right? So I guess he’ll be on the list again.

No way a club champion and a club leader should ever be traded for f*** sake.

Agree it’s unlikely, but time to be ruthless. If the price is right then worth considering.

If we’re talking about Ross here...
I’m going to jump the other way. Thought he was pretty good in both finals and has been really solid since his return from injury.

If this campaign taught us anything, I think it’s the value of experience in big games and just how valuable the ability to be consistent is.

And Ross proved his value.

In addition to the Kent disaster... another delightful legacy of the Richo desperation years is the recruitment and long term contract of Hannebery.
Whilst Dan was great in the first final, he was so so last night and IMO the issue for him is that the modern game is too taxing for a man with his injury issues.
He can’t back up... fatigue limits his performance and increases the chance of injury.

The word was that Hannebery really benefited from the week off. Pbly needs to be a permanent feature of his game from now on.
IMO we really need to find a way to offload him

[Goose is king]

I’m still bullish on Hanners getting a better run at it next year

[st.byron]

Luke Dunstan might also have some trade currency. No idea what the club is thinking but I reckon Lonie, Savage, Webster, McKenzie, Roberton would all be in the mix. Billings and Ross too if the price is right. Kent shouldn’t play again IMO. Has never looked like a consistent AFL quality player. He has another year on his contract though - is that right? So I guess he’ll be on the list again.

No way a club champion and a club leader should ever be traded for f*** sake.

Agree it’s unlikely, but time to be ruthless. If the price is right then worth considering.

If we’re talking about Ross here...
I’m going to jump the other way. Thought he was pretty good in both finals and has been really solid since his return from injury.

If this campaign taught us anything, I think it’s the value of experience in big games and just how valuable the ability to be consistent is.

And Ross proved his value.

In addition to the Kent disaster... another delightful legacy of the Richo desperation years is the recruitment and long term contract of Hannebery.
Whilst Dan was great in the first final, he was so so last night and IMO the issue for him is that the modern game is too taxing for a man with his injury issues.
He can’t back up... fatigue limits his performance and increases the chance of injury.

The word was that Hannebery really benefited from the week off. Pbly needs to be a permanent feature of his game from now on.
IMO we really need to find a way to offload him

Not saying Ross isn’t a decent player. That’s why he has trade value. If we could leverage that value to get an upgrade it would be worth considering.

Agree re Hannebery. He’s just a bit too cooked to be a midfield lynchpin any more.