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Post: # 725240Post BAM! (shhhh) »

meher baba wrote:. Lots of other changes have not been for the better IMO: eg, the unlimited interchange (which has brought us the flood and many other unwelcome innovations), the quick kick in after the behind is scored (which has eliminated a lot of contested marks), the new interpretation of holding the ball (which frequently penalises the player who is brave enough to go after the contested balll), etc.
While I actually agree with the sentiment of MBs post (too much change too fast without any idea of the consequence), his examples above I'd like to use to illustrate the opposite.

Firstly, I do not understand the link people make between flooding and the unlimited interchange. Flooding and defensive football do not inherently demand fresh/fit players. It's the offense that beats these floods that demands it, and the transition game.

Without the interchange you'd likely still see flooding. What you'd miss is the specialist players. Key Forward, ruckmen... the less interchanges, the more of an advantage to be able to run for 4 quarters.

The maxim in North American sport is that "offense wins games, defense wins championships". As AFL made the transition to a highly paid full time pro sport, flooding was always going to rear it's head. The essence is that the team moves as a whole, and the main thing that comes down to is drilling. The sooner that the AFL accepts this and stops trying to legislate against percentage football, the sooner the rules change slows down and the AFL stops frustrating fans.

The rushed behind rule is a case in point. It's being exploited sooner than most because it's actually playing into the hands of 2 of the top 3 teams from '08, and the Saints make it 3 with the plan they've come out with... because teams can't rush a behind, hurry it in and move quickly upfield, the teams that don't underman their forward lines find advantage - Geelong and the 'Dogs were already regularly in this setup. Team forward pressure rather than chase pressure becomes key... the likely eventual outcome will be tighter forward zones than we've ever seen. The intent was to stop teams from rushing behinds to retain ball control forced by the 3/4 press putting on pressure, but effectively I believe in the long run the rule will demand numbers forward and back and simply swifter transition as a team through the zones.

Given time, coaches will answer all strategic initiatives on their own... but the rules committee justifies it's existence by not giving that time. Instead of planning to deconstruct another teams plan, it's a race to exploit each new change.


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BAM! (shhhh) wrote:The rushed behind rule is a case in point. It's being exploited sooner than most because it's actually playing into the hands of 2 of the top 3 teams from '08, and the Saints make it 3 with the plan they've come out with... because teams can't rush a behind, hurry it in and move quickly upfield, the teams that don't underman their forward lines find advantage - Geelong and the 'Dogs were already regularly in this setup. Team forward pressure rather than chase pressure becomes key... the likely eventual outcome will be tighter forward zones than we've ever seen. The intent was to stop teams from rushing behinds to retain ball control forced by the 3/4 press putting on pressure, but effectively I believe in the long run the rule will demand numbers forward and back and simply swifter transition as a team through the zones.
you make a fair bit of sense here. but i think the rushed behind rule was supposed to make footy more interesting, and by and large it's succeeded in that aim. like the bouncer rule in cricket, any limitation of defensive power makes the game more offense based. a footy game played mostly in the fifty meter zones is just inherently more interesting than one played predominantly in the middle. there's more scope for the unexpected to happen or for scoring.


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casey scorp wrote:
saint66au wrote:Ive never actually seen a soccer rule book..but Id reckon it would be mainly consisting of.
Soccer Rules:


http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/lawsofthegame.html
maverick wrote: Dimensions of a soccer pitch are NOT set in concrete.
There is a minimum size in place but that's about it, even the minimum dimensions change from comp to comp. The EPL minimum is different to the UEFA one for example.

Playing Field Requirements:

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/tournam ... 5f8211.pdf


“Recommended dimensions
Playing field: length: 105m, width: 68m
For all matches at the top professional level and where major international and domestic
games are played, the playing field should have dimensions of 105m x 68m. These
dimensions are obligatory for the FIFA World Cupâ„¢ and the final competitions in
the confederations’ championships. The playing field should have the precise markings
illustrated.
Other matches can be played on a playing field with different dimensions and the
Laws of the Game stipulate the maximum and minimum dimensions. However it is
strongly recommended that new stadiums have a 105m x 68m playing field.â€


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Post: # 725479Post kosifantutti23 »

maverick wrote:
Ah, incorrect.
Arsenal built a new stadium in London not five years ago and have different dimensions to that you quote.
You sure about that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirates_Stadium
Location Holloway, Islington, London
Coordinates [show location on an interactive map] 51°33′18.08″N 0°6′30.50″W / 51.5550222°N 0.1084722°W / 51.5550222; -0.1084722
Opened 22 July 2006
Owner Arsenal FC
Surface Real and artificial grass mix
Construction cost £430,000,000 (2006)
Architect HOK Sport
Capacity 60,355 seated
Field dimensions 105 × 68 metres


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Post: # 725497Post maverick »

Well I guess I am wrong, I knew all the pitch sizes in England were slightly different, Man City's stadium from the 2002 Commonwealth Games is bigger, but I thought Emirates was bigger than regulation.

But hey still wrong, should have checked. :oops:

Back to the original point from Casey, it is UEFA regulations for a standard pitch.


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Post: # 726316Post Beej »

Anyone just see the Nth Melb player rush through that behind? That's as deliberate as I've ever seen. Not much in the way of pressure either. Just tucked the ball under his arms and ran straight through.

I think that supposed rule change was purely an attempt to stop the Joel Bowden v Essendon (I think) situation from happening again.

Apparently if there is deemed to be "some" pressure you can still rush it through.


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OLB wrote:Anyone just see the Nth Melb player rush through that behind? That's as deliberate as I've ever seen. Not much in the way of pressure either. Just tucked the ball under his arms and ran straight through.

I think that supposed rule change was purely an attempt to stop the Joel Bowden v Essendon (I think) situation from happening again.

Apparently if there is deemed to be "some" pressure you can still rush it through.
Yep, I immediately thought I was going to see the new rule paid.

If that wasn't deliberate, I wonder why they bothered bringing it in at all.


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Post: # 726363Post Beej »

We've just seen our first one! Hurrah

Pratt penalised. Lloyd goals.


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