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The list
No, not the playing list. Not the coaching list.
The list of people in the media (or talking to the media) who are picking us to fall out of the 8 this year.
I'm keen on keeping a record to see how the narrative tracks during the season.
46% of 5108 voters on AFL.com.au - "who will drop out of the 8" https://www.afl.com.au/news/1082460/pre ... redictions
From afl.com.au "crystal ball" article - and to be fair i've no idea who half of them are https://www.afl.com.au/news/1080056/cry ... son-are-in
Damian Barrett - 9th
Riley Beveridge - Nominated "set to fall", 12th
Sarah Black - 9th
Nat Edwards - Nominated 'set to fall', 13th
Josh Gabelich - Nominated 'set to fall', 11th
Sarah Olle - - Nominated 'set to fall', 12th, but tips Owens for AA
Nathan Schmook - 9th
Cal Twomey - Nominated "set to fall", 12th
Michael Whiting - - Nominated "set to fall", 14th
SEN's predictions - https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/03/04/ ... edictions/
The following picked St Kilda to be "Biggest Slider" - Again i've no idea who half of the people on their list are.
Luke Hodge
Mark Bickley
Paul Haselby
Liam Pickering
Scott Cummings
David Wildy
Adam White
Fox Footy's First Crack (Joey, David King, Huddo) https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-se ... 785c33f85b
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Zerohanger's season predictions: https://www.zerohanger.com/five-flag-wi ... ns-147975/
Aidan Cellini
Ed Carmine
Charlie Cosgrove
Ethan Lee Chalk
Mitch Keating
Phoenix Trinidad
From AFL.com.au Captain's Survey - https://www.afl.com.au/news/1082535/202 ... s-and-more
The AFL Captains - only 3 voted St Kilda to make the 8
The squiggle.com.au ladder predictor https://squiggle.com.au/
Squiggle - 10th to 13th (varies every time you run the predictor)
Wheelo ratings - https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_simulations.html
Wheelo - 12th
If there are any more, I'll add them to the list.
The list of people in the media (or talking to the media) who are picking us to fall out of the 8 this year.
I'm keen on keeping a record to see how the narrative tracks during the season.
46% of 5108 voters on AFL.com.au - "who will drop out of the 8" https://www.afl.com.au/news/1082460/pre ... redictions
From afl.com.au "crystal ball" article - and to be fair i've no idea who half of them are https://www.afl.com.au/news/1080056/cry ... son-are-in
Damian Barrett - 9th
Riley Beveridge - Nominated "set to fall", 12th
Sarah Black - 9th
Nat Edwards - Nominated 'set to fall', 13th
Josh Gabelich - Nominated 'set to fall', 11th
Sarah Olle - - Nominated 'set to fall', 12th, but tips Owens for AA
Nathan Schmook - 9th
Cal Twomey - Nominated "set to fall", 12th
Michael Whiting - - Nominated "set to fall", 14th
SEN's predictions - https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/03/04/ ... edictions/
The following picked St Kilda to be "Biggest Slider" - Again i've no idea who half of the people on their list are.
Luke Hodge
Mark Bickley
Paul Haselby
Liam Pickering
Scott Cummings
David Wildy
Adam White
Fox Footy's First Crack (Joey, David King, Huddo) https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-se ... 785c33f85b
Nil
Zerohanger's season predictions: https://www.zerohanger.com/five-flag-wi ... ns-147975/
Aidan Cellini
Ed Carmine
Charlie Cosgrove
Ethan Lee Chalk
Mitch Keating
Phoenix Trinidad
From AFL.com.au Captain's Survey - https://www.afl.com.au/news/1082535/202 ... s-and-more
The AFL Captains - only 3 voted St Kilda to make the 8
The squiggle.com.au ladder predictor https://squiggle.com.au/
Squiggle - 10th to 13th (varies every time you run the predictor)
Wheelo ratings - https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_simulations.html
Wheelo - 12th
If there are any more, I'll add them to the list.
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Re: The list
Not sure how to take this article now...They predicted GWS to win the lot. Seriously can't see that happening.Beno88 wrote: ↑Wed 06 Mar 2024 3:30pm Try this one then...
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/ ... nt-killers
Also, what are they teaching at journalist school? It's clearly not grammar.
FFS...It's FEWER, not less.The Saints are watertight down back, conceding less points than anyone last year, including the highly rated Melbourne and Collingwood backlines.
It's an easy rule to remember...If you can count it, then use fewer...(e.g. spend less money, spend fewer dollars).
/rant
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Re: The list
The list is still vulnerable, still can’t cover injuries to certain players, depth still needs development but could get there in 2 to 3 years.
Think we will struggle to cover this season
Think we will struggle to cover this season
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Re: The list
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Same old churned out negativity….don’t you get tired of it ?
My take is we will play finals and if you play finals, there is always a chance for the big one so by all means, keep churning out your brain numbing negativity. We just love it.
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Re: The list
It just goes to demonstrate the poor standard of so-called "journalists" in the AFL.
Groupthink, confirmation bias, little or no research other than water cooler gossip, and a lack of in-depth analysis.
By contrast, even two of our fiercest critics, Lloyd and King have picked us to make the eight. Would that be because the two of them bothered to watch us train in the preseason? Now there's a good idea for the rest of the media pack rabble.
Most of them showed their "expertise" last year. How many of them had us finishing as high as 6th in 2023? Not one, from memory, IIRC (happy to be corrected).
Only Timid Watson picked us to make the eight, but only just. So I'm eagerly anticipating RTB and the team embarrassing them all again this year. Go Sainters!
Groupthink, confirmation bias, little or no research other than water cooler gossip, and a lack of in-depth analysis.
By contrast, even two of our fiercest critics, Lloyd and King have picked us to make the eight. Would that be because the two of them bothered to watch us train in the preseason? Now there's a good idea for the rest of the media pack rabble.
Most of them showed their "expertise" last year. How many of them had us finishing as high as 6th in 2023? Not one, from memory, IIRC (happy to be corrected).
Only Timid Watson picked us to make the eight, but only just. So I'm eagerly anticipating RTB and the team embarrassing them all again this year. Go Sainters!
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Re: The list
I could be wrong here, but didn’t we play finals last year with a considerably worse injury list, and with probably worse depth (given how injury-prone a few of those we let go were, like D-Mac, Coffield and Billings), and how “unready” a few of the youngest guys were?
So we’ve replaced 3 injury-prone dudes who played 2 games between them last season with multiple ready-to-go guys in Henry, Bonner, Dow (when available) and Wilson, plus others who could potentially play, in Shoenmaker, Garcia and Collard, while some of the younger guys who weren’t ready last year like Keeler, McClennan and potentially Van Es would obviously be more ready to play this time around, if available and needed.
I would have thought we’ll be much better equipped to handle injuries this year than last, and last year we handled them extraordinarily well.
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Re: The list
I agree on the basis the new and young guys can become instant AFL capable and Final quality almost immediately from R1, it could happen but statistically speaking unlikely.AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote: ↑Thu 07 Mar 2024 12:49amI could be wrong here, but didn’t we play finals last year with a considerably worse injury list, and with probably worse depth (given how injury-prone a few of those we let go were, like D-Mac, Coffield and Billings), and how “unready” a few of the youngest guys were?
So we’ve replaced 3 injury-prone dudes who played 2 games between them last season with multiple ready-to-go guys in Henry, Bonner, Dow (when available) and Wilson, plus others who could potentially play, in Shoenmaker, Garcia and Collard, while some of the younger guys who weren’t ready last year like Keeler, McClennan and potentially Van Es would obviously be more ready to play this time around, if available and needed.
I would have thought we’ll be much better equipped to handle injuries this year than last, and last year we handled them extraordinarily well.
It also assumes we have a dream run with injuries.
But if it alls goes our way then I tend to agree we could be finals bound.
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Re: The list
IMO when fit we have 26 or 27 players that are "best 22 quality". So that's either reasonable depth outside the 22, or a poor bottom 6 inside it.
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Re: The list
Speaking of it now looks like Hunter has been awarded the “injury prone” title unfortunately.
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Re: The list
And also the unknown is, is our best 23 good enough to push deep into September? Probably a couple of seasons away just yet and we won’t know until well into the season if some of the players predicted to be in our best either can’t reach the required level or have already reached their ceiling.
They can’t all be likely types, statistically speaking.
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Re: The list
oh I get it now.
If our players are good enough and we are lucky with injuries we will be ok but we won't know till later
I have to say these revelations are truly impressive
Kudos
If our players are good enough and we are lucky with injuries we will be ok but we won't know till later
I have to say these revelations are truly impressive
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Re: The list
I tend to agree with the majority of the media on this and that we are likely to slide.
I personally predict us to finish somewhere between 10 and 14.
I think we have a reasonably list but we have less top end talent than other teams that will be looking to make the eight.
We really lack any true game breakers at this time, Owen has the potential to be one as does Pou but I fear for his progress.
We have a coach who is very good at getting the best out GOPs but has consistently lacked a plan B when things are not going his way.
He is also so focused on systems and structures that he stifles the natural flair and talent of individuals, which is why I am concerned for Pou.
Last year we surprised a few sides and got out of the blocks early but look what happened once sides figured out how to play us.
We started last year really well then faded and then came up against a few sides who had little left to play for and dropped off about 5% which is all it takes.
Hopefully I am wrong in my assessment, but I am yet to see anything that makes me believe we are suddenly in the top echelon of the competition.
I personally predict us to finish somewhere between 10 and 14.
I think we have a reasonably list but we have less top end talent than other teams that will be looking to make the eight.
We really lack any true game breakers at this time, Owen has the potential to be one as does Pou but I fear for his progress.
We have a coach who is very good at getting the best out GOPs but has consistently lacked a plan B when things are not going his way.
He is also so focused on systems and structures that he stifles the natural flair and talent of individuals, which is why I am concerned for Pou.
Last year we surprised a few sides and got out of the blocks early but look what happened once sides figured out how to play us.
We started last year really well then faded and then came up against a few sides who had little left to play for and dropped off about 5% which is all it takes.
Hopefully I am wrong in my assessment, but I am yet to see anything that makes me believe we are suddenly in the top echelon of the competition.
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Re: The list
seeing that we played finals last year and now have a more improved side I can't see how anyone could say we wont make the 8 .
Members back and Firing, Henry and the natural improvement of some our young stars .
Members back and Firing, Henry and the natural improvement of some our young stars .
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Re: The list
Well:The Fireman wrote: ↑Thu 07 Mar 2024 12:45pm seeing that we played finals last year and now have a more improved side I can't see how anyone could say we wont make the 8 .
Members back and Firing, Henry and the natural improvement of some our young stars .
Tempting fate is a tried an true way of invoking sub optimal things.
More injuries or just the current level of bleed
We don't have a dominant personality amongst the forwards to instill composure and discipline
Others sides will likely improve just as much as us, some will go backwards, but where the net result falls will impact us
The draw, bounce of the ball, umpiring interpretations (see Adelaide), how we cope as a footy club when the inevitable slump/bad run happens, scandals, internal ructions.
I mention all this while lighting another candle on my Saints shrine and sacrificing another IPA hazy ale to the footy gods, and to try to distract fate so it doesn't think we are tempting it. Even though I am so excited about our prospects.
Go Sainters!
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