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Post: # 2032572Post D.B.Cooper »

Suggesting we would hand the Gresham compo pick (or similar value) to Essendon for Sheil :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Does he think the half witted South Australian Macquarie bank failure "give it away Gallagher" is still in charge of list management?

So Essendon get Gresham, a first rounder and lose VFL player Sheil and his salary???????
We lose Gresham and get overpaid 31 YO Shiel????

Ralph you're an idiot.


Wreck It Ralph: How Essendon and St Kilda can work together to pull off a trade-free agency heist
St Kilda and Essendon can team up to pull off the greatest trade-free agency heist the AFL has ever seen. This is how it can happen.

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How do you create a first-round draft pick out of thin air?

By using over 100 years of accumulated football wisdom to take advantage of AFL rules that have always had loopholes big enough to drive a bus through.

As an AFL trade period potentially short on massive names hots up, St Kilda and Essendon have at least considered the kind of trade-free agency heist never pulled off in the league before.

Both clubs are tight-lipped on the details but one way a deal could be orchestrated – sending Jade Gresham to Essendon and Dylan Shiel to St Kilda – would be a masterful arrangement benefiting both parties.

It would make use of the fact free agency compensation is a ridiculous concept open to manipulation.

Here are the bare bones of what rival recruiters suspect St Kilda recruiters Graeme Allan and Stephen Silvagni might be cooking up with Essendon’s Adrian Dodoro.

St Kilda wants to stiffen its midfield and is very prepared to let go of mid-forward Jade Gresham so believes Dylan Shiel is a person of interest.

Essendon already has eight quality mids (Zach Merrett, Darcy Parish, Jake Stringer, Nic Martin, Jye Caldwell, Will Setterfield, Archie Perkins, Nik Cox) and needs some cap space relief as it considers a free agency triple play of Gresham, Ben McKay and Todd Goldstein.

So Essendon ensures the salary it pays for Gresham is enough to provide St Kilda with either first-round or end-of-first-round free agency compensation.

So there is nothing to stop them paying him $750,000 a year in a free agency period where McKay will get similar rates despite being injury-prone and inconsistent.

St Kilda gets a first-round pick (selection 13) or end-of-first-round (pick 19) as free agency compensation for Gresham.

Then a week later in the trade period they hand that pick or something close to it back to Essendon for Dylan Shiel.

Why would Essendon do that deal?

Because Essendon effectively turns Shiel, 31 in March, into 25-year-old Ben McKay, and finds the salary cap room to pay the fullback they so desperately need.

Not only that, but they get a quality draft pick for Shiel (either first-round or end-of-first-round).

They also get Gresham as a bargain, who isn’t the steak knives element of the deal but has upside as a 26-year-old that could make a solid contribution.

St Kilda loses a player it didn’t really want in Gresham – he has averaged less than a goal a game across every one of his eight seasons except 2017 and 2018.

They lose Gresham’s salary commitment.

And in essence they turn a flighty half forward in Gresham into Shiel, a hard-running explosive midfielder who was ranked in the top 10 mids in the comp in round nine before a procession of niggling injuries.

At 30 he might be the perfect bridging midfielder to help Jack Steele and Brad Crouch given Nasiah Wanganeen-Mileaa, Mattaes Phillipou and Mitch Owens are all brilliant talents but perhaps not pure inside mids yet.

A Shiel move is definitely on the cards - he is aware of the interest - but St Kilda and Essendon would both have to tell the AFL the deals were entirely separate.

That Gresham was being paid fair value and Essendon was taking advantage of the league’s new rules allowing more flexibility on cap dumps to get Shiel off their books.

St Kilda and Adelaide contemplated something similar when Brad Crouch moved to the Saints in 2020.

There was speculation Luke Dunston might be traded back to the Crows as cap relief if the Saints paid up for a free agency deal that would have handed Adelaide a top-10 pick.

But the Saints were never close to committing the $800,000 per season it would have taken to activate first-round compensation.

Instead they paid a salary which triggered second-round compo - two bands lower.

Gresham’s market value is much closer to $750,000 than Crouch was, especially since Crouch was coming off an illicit drugs strike for cocaine use.

So there are clearly impediments for the Dons and St Kilda to overcome if they do attempt a deal.

You have to give clubs credit for trying, with this scheme only the latest extension of clever exploitation of the AFL’s rules.

We have seen Geelong capitalising on the Suns’ Jack Bowes salary dump last year, then immediately turning his two-year $1.6 million contract into a four-year deal they could fit into the cap.

We have seen Hawthorn attempting to drag Jai Newcombe through the 2021 mid-season draft as their second selection with a 30-month deal of $170,000 a season until the attention forced them to use their first pick.

We have seen clubs driving up contracts on Gold Coast teens with strong offers, then dragging them out anyway (Will Brodie, Jack Scrimshaw), sometimes with the Suns paying part of their wage bill.

We have seen Sydney using the trading of live picks in 2018 to trade out their draft selection, then match a bid on Nick Blakey, then trade back into the draft to preserve a second-round pick.


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He lists Jake Stringer as a “quality mid” and Gresham as a “mid-forward”.
Even with my limited knowledge that seems a stretch.

Jake Stringer looks barely fit enough to hold down a forward role. Forget about midfield let alone quality midfielder.

Gresh on the other hand, well I can still remember the abuse I copped for suggesting he’d be better off up forward than on the ball at the beginning of last year.

It is a media fluff piece. It there might be some truth in some of what he says, and perhaps the deal might work.

If he also says St Kilda doesn’t want Gresh in the basis of him averaging less than a goal a game, well, that also seems like a piece of nonsense.


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Would be one of the worst trades ever seen if the deal goes through like that


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Essendon get Gresham and pick 13 and we get Shield.

Why would St Kida want to do this deal again?

They could just swap the players.

Jon Ralph brilliance.


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Don’t trust Essendon, never, ever.


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This is all time stupidity even for Ralph
What a **** wit …I mean seriously
Lyon walks into Brownlow and says
“Not sure where this has come from ….didn’t come from us….he missed 10 rounds this year didn’t he?”

I think this is Dildo doing his media calls to negotiate again abd Ralph hook line and sinker

They really think “we can sell this…it’s just the little ole Saints…they’ll be wrapped to dine out in Essendon snacks…”

Utter morons


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The killer line: "Then a week later in the trade period they hand that pick or something close to it back to Essendon for Dylan Shiel."

Is he having a laugh?


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Post: # 2032627Post repta »

It is why essendon are trying the deal

Saints are probably stupid enough to do it.
Hand over a first rounder for a has been now VFL plodder.


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‘ They lose Gresham’s salary commitment.’ ….. what is he taking about?? We don’t have any commitment because Gresham is uncontracted !

His source, the so called ‘rival recruiters’ have fed him rubbish and he believes it. That deal makes no sense to St Kilda at all and there’s no way that Silvagni is stupid enough to do that deal. If we get to keep pick 13, then we have a deal !!


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Ralph is an embarrassment


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It's telling though that St Kilda is blithely portrayed as the AFL's village idiot.

In defence of Ralph, he might think that Trout is still in charge.


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Waltzing St Kilda wrote: Tue 26 Sep 2023 12:56am It's telling though that St Kilda is blithely portrayed as the AFL's village idiot.

In defence of Ralph, he might think that Trout is still in charge.
Trout or the other idiot, Gallagher.

Brad Hill is a good player but Gallagher & Lethlean gave up a kings ransom and then threw in Acres at the last minute as steak knives.

If you add Hannebery I’m guessing Ralph thinks we are dumb enough to give Essendon Gresham & his compensation pick for a 31 year old VFL player.


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D.B.Cooper wrote: Tue 26 Sep 2023 7:19am
Waltzing St Kilda wrote: Tue 26 Sep 2023 12:56am It's telling though that St Kilda is blithely portrayed as the AFL's village idiot.

In defence of Ralph, he might think that Trout is still in charge.
Trout or the other idiot, Gallagher.

Brad Hill is a good player but Gallagher & Lethlean gave up a kings ransom and then threw in Acres at the last minute as steak knives.

If you add Hannebery I’m guessing Ralph thinks we are dumb enough to give Essendon Gresham & his compensation pick for a 31 year old VFL player.
Yeah looking at some of the deals we’ve done in the past it seems plausible 😅


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No way should (or is it likely) that St Kilda give up a late compensation frdp if that eventuates from trading Gresham to Essendon to pay for Dylan Shiel.

Even if that deal involves St Kilda's round 2 pick (currently 31) I don't think it should happen.

Dylan Shiel at 31 and having managed just 12 appearances this year could easily become a repeat of the Hannebery fiasco so it's far too risky.,

It's also unlikely that any other team would entertain such a trade which means Shiel may well play out his remaining year in the VFL.

Ross Lyon has made it clear that the club will be utilising it's early draft selections to bring in more youth, a process that has worked really well in 2021 and 2023.


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If Shiel was out of contract and available on the open market, what would he be worth?
Late 3rd round - at best?

31 at the start of season 2024...Injury prone, suspect disposal and decision making.
Now add the overhead of his contract...What's that make it worth? 4th round at best?

The idea that we'd somehow part with a 1st round pick is hilarious.


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Post: # 2032792Post saynta »

f*** off Ralph and f*** you druggies.

I don't think even the Saints are that stupid.


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Post: # 2032837Post Life Long Saint »

saynta wrote: Wed 27 Sep 2023 11:40am I don't think even the Saints are that stupid.
That's a big call :wink:
How long have you been a supporter?


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