It’s a final
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Re: It’s a final
Both very poor BM - not arguing they did much at all.
Pou should have been rested weeks ago and brought back in for the last 3 rounds
However
Clark was average to poor
Seb was average to poor
Crouch was average
They are the real worry and the ones that cost us
Pou and caminiti would have been better if our senior players, particularly on ballers were better - it’s the flow on that youngsters thrive on
Look at fletcher in Brisbane - he does not play that well without the senior mids doing what they do
Pou should have been rested weeks ago and brought back in for the last 3 rounds
However
Clark was average to poor
Seb was average to poor
Crouch was average
They are the real worry and the ones that cost us
Pou and caminiti would have been better if our senior players, particularly on ballers were better - it’s the flow on that youngsters thrive on
Look at fletcher in Brisbane - he does not play that well without the senior mids doing what they do
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Seb got votes by a few on here - I didn’t think he was great - but had 24 and worked hard - Seb had played 1 game in 7 weeks
Crouch was pretty average but had 21 - he wasn’t a passenger - he just didn’t play out of his skin
Steele had 38, Marshall 31, Hill played well - so not all senior players were poor - though Battle, NWM and Webster played ok too
Not everyone was poor
But the kids, especially in the first half - were passengers
Caminiti 3 possessions
Windhager 3 possessions
Phillipou 2 possessions
Owens 5 possessions
There’s 4 absolute passengers
Crouch was pretty average but had 21 - he wasn’t a passenger - he just didn’t play out of his skin
Steele had 38, Marshall 31, Hill played well - so not all senior players were poor - though Battle, NWM and Webster played ok too
Not everyone was poor
But the kids, especially in the first half - were passengers
Caminiti 3 possessions
Windhager 3 possessions
Phillipou 2 possessions
Owens 5 possessions
There’s 4 absolute passengers
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Re: It’s a final
You can bookmark it. The only thing that will stop him will be injury or ill health.Moods wrote: ↑Tue 12 Sep 2023 3:39pmThat remains to be seen. Hope you’re right, but supporters telling each other how good certain players are going to be without any real evidence so far, is fraught with danger.
Nick Cox was GOING to be a superstar after 2021. Jaidyn Stephenson was GOING to be a star after 2018, the list goes on and on. I’ve been reading on here for decades how good our young players are going to be. Most of the time it’s speculation based on one or two great games. Billings a classic example. Some of our kids have shown legitimate star qualities for the first time since 2003, but Pou isn’t one of them. NWM and Owens are
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He’ll want to be better than he was in the last 6 games of the season
He only made it to double figures 2 times!
He only made it to double figures 2 times!
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And this is the reason expectation of even NWM and Owens should be tempered, the benchmark is a player who can develop into a Grand Final Type, we continually rate players on the wrong measurement scale and announce them as stars extremely prematurely. Maybe that's because we've been poor for so long, but this list is well short of being a sustainable top 4 side and as Lyon said after the final, it's going to take time to build. We should even expect not to play finals next year as we got lucky with some results around us on the ladder, I doubt the coaches have overrated this list based on that finals appearance.
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Re: It’s a final
Can’t believe seb got votes but anywayB.M wrote: ↑Tue 12 Sep 2023 4:53pm Seb got votes by a few on here - I didn’t think he was great - but had 24 and worked hard - Seb had played 1 game in 7 weeks
Crouch was pretty average but had 21 - he wasn’t a passenger - he just didn’t play out of his skin
Steele had 38, Marshall 31, Hill played well - so not all senior players were poor - though Battle, NWM and Webster played ok too
Not everyone was poor
But the kids, especially in the first half - were passengers
Caminiti 3 possessions
Windhager 3 possessions
Phillipou 2 possessions
Owens 5 possessions
There’s 4 absolute passengers
The passengers as you say, 3 of them are forwards and are not high possession winners generally, but when you are getting smashed and our disposal efficiency is very poor they stand very little chance
They all would have played much better with a winning midfield, that is my point.
I didn’t say all senior players were poor, just too many of the midfield - only Steele could say he had a good day.
BM - what are your thoughts on Clark, he had every chance to perform?
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Re: It’s a final
Clark is a good footballer and a poor athlete
He has a good step and good vision
He is pretty clean, and very courageous
His kicking is ok, nothing special
His running ability is really poor!
He has a good step and good vision
He is pretty clean, and very courageous
His kicking is ok, nothing special
His running ability is really poor!
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It’s overrated because he kicks on his left a bit, and we think he is dual sided. He actually fluffs a lot of kicks.
On the weekend a typical Clark game
Some ok bits of play, but 19 possessions = not enough
Just doesn’t run and spread well enough
Mids need to be clocking up 25-30 as a minimum
On the weekend a typical Clark game
Some ok bits of play, but 19 possessions = not enough
Just doesn’t run and spread well enough
Mids need to be clocking up 25-30 as a minimum
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Just watched the replay again and gee I got to say we were soft, and many of our senior players were the offenders.
I know the Members event had to have an effect of some magnitude but we were well off it, in physicality and skills.
I know the Members event had to have an effect of some magnitude but we were well off it, in physicality and skills.
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Re: It’s a final
If Phillipou was just a week older and played the year in the under 18's he'd probably be the best young player in the country.B.M wrote: ↑Mon 11 Sep 2023 11:38pm When did he just turn 18?
Last December???
Multiple times I have mentioned he will be a player - absolute potential
You conveniently forgot to mention that
Do I think he’ll be a 300 game Champion possibly? But probably not??? That ok, few are… he will be a good player from what I see.
BJ was the best kid in the country easily in his draft year. Was destined to be a champion.
It’s not negativity with me, it’s reality!
If people want to live in fairyland that’s their thing!
I’ve followed this club for 40 years and have been right with my ‘negativity’ more than wrong!
Id reserve my judgement til next year.
He will be so much better for the year he just had.
He can safely hit the gym, develop some muscle and strength, add 3-5 kg and rotate off high half forward with Owens, who is already a unit.