Has Cartlon Gone Past Us ?

[Vortex]

They look to have good balance on every line.

[spert]

Their midfield pantsed us in the practice match, and did the job on Richmond tonight. Our midfield looks like a bunch of fumbling plodders in comparison, though I think we are better in other areas.

[WellardSaint]

2 things we have that they don't, are Kent and Ross.
Massive difference.

I would actually put Cripps slightly ahead of Steele.
Jones is as good as, or better, than any of theirs.
Higgins and Butler (on their good days) are better than their forwards.
Max and RoMa- skill level-wise, could dominate the Blues, however our horrible disposal and tactics will negate Max and Roma.

[Vortex]

They looked quick all over the ground.

[shanegrambeau]

They kept going, found a way, didn't get overwhelmed by tempo change or opposition run-ons. Well done.

I honestly don't think they are that much better on paper man-for-man, but boy, that was quite a performance.

[skeptic]

I reckon they looked a little better than they are in that last 1/4

Umpires gave them everything and gave Richmond nothing. They ran with the momentum and never looked back. Hard for Rupichmomd to wrestle anything back when every 50/50 went against them.

That double 50m penalty makes me dread the season ahead

[mr six o'clock]

They looked good
However Richmond have allota ageing stars

[ausfatcat]

one game does not make a season

[magnifisaint]

What do you expect of a team that has a lot of great players wanting to come to them. Are brown paper bags in vogue again?

[Wayne42]

Maybe Aaron Hamill's coaching apprenticeship at St Kilda is paying dividends for Carlton already.

[chook23]

Yes......imo

Walsh still to come back......a gun

[MC Gusto]

I would say they are ahead yes. More elite talent

[Beno88]

They beat a team that finished 12th last year. A team we held to just 2 goals. Big. F. Deal.

[meher baba]

It's a great start for the year for them, and will give their long-suffering fans a big boost.

However, I think that skillwise, they are more or less at our level: albeit, unlike us, they have a genuine superstar in the form of Cripps (and boy he played well).

Last night they took their chances - their goal kicking accuracy steadily improved as the game went on - and got plenty of free kicks and 50s at crucial times. And Richmond is looking way past their best, particularly in terms of winning clearances.

As far as I could watching it on TV, it seemed that Voss's structure last night was based on an ultra-mobile defensive press that required even the talls to continually run all over the field: somewhat reminiscent of Ross Lyon's approach when coaching us. I was expecting them to run out of puff in the last quarter, but that didn't happen. But it most likely will happen against teams with high intensity running games that are better-equipped than the 2022 Tigers model.

[Devilhead]

Eight 50m penalties to the Bluescum

Tigers are cooked and will be lucky to be top 10

Bluescum still made plenty of errors but had the rub the green when needed

Both very beatable

[stkfc1]

Their midfield has better players. Cripps (when fit) and Walsh are Superstars. Cerra is going to be a gun.

We have
Steele
Daylight
B graders.
Ross
I'm being a bit harsh
Jones and Gresh are A grade when on song (and on the park)
Hopefully Owens and Byrnes can bring something to the table.

Ill take our rucks any day.

I'll take our bookends also.

[st.byron]

It's a great start for the year for them, and will give their long-suffering fans a big boost.

However, I think that skillwise, they are more or less at our level: albeit, unlike us, they have a genuine superstar in the form of Cripps (and boy he played well).

Last night they took their chances - their goal kicking accuracy steadily improved as the game went on - and got plenty of free kicks and 50s at crucial times. And Richmond is looking way past their best, particularly in terms of winning clearances.

As far as I could watching it on TV, it seemed that Voss's structure last night was based on an ultra-mobile defensive press that required even the talls to continually run all over the field: somewhat reminiscent of Ross Lyon's approach when coaching us. I was expecting them to run out of puff in the last quarter, but that didn't happen. But it most likely will happen against teams with high intensity running games that are better-equipped than the 2022 Tigers model.

Oh Baba spare me the 'long suffering Carlton fans'. How many premierships? How many consecutive years of presidency by convicted corporate criminals?
Carlton and all that they are can get f*****.

[BadRossco]

They are well ahead of us for a lot of reasons, astute early draft picks, a destination club, better skills and the sealer being those brown paper bags full of cash

[meher baba]

St Byron

I couldn’t give a stuff about Carlton fans.

But it’s a matter of fact that they’ve really suffered in recent years. Their team and club leadership have been total garbage for more than two decades. I don’t know that even at our very worst, we were ever such a hopeless mess as they have been.

[st.byron]

St Byron

I couldn’t give a stuff about Carlton fans.

But it’s a matter of fact that they’ve really suffered in recent years. Their team and club leadership have been total garbage for more than two decades. I don’t know that even at our very worst, we were ever such a hopeless mess as they have been.

You're way too kind mate. This is the club that tried to shut us down in the 80's. Decades long arrogance propped up by corruption. Not even a sliver of compassion for them and their supporters can get past my loathing. F*** them.

[The Fireman]

St Byron

I couldn’t give a stuff about Carlton fans.

But it’s a matter of fact that they’ve really suffered in recent years. Their team and club leadership have been total garbage for more than two decades. I don’t know that even at our very worst, we were ever such a hopeless mess as they have been.

You're way too kind mate. This is the club that tried to shut us down in the 80's. Decades long arrogance propped up by corruption. Not even a sliver of compassion for them and their supporters can get past my loathing. F*** them.

ess and Carlton are cheating clubs. plain and simple. their supporters in the past were arrogant s*** heads and both clubs copped their right whack and if they suffer for another 100m yrs it wouldnt be long enough

[st.byron]

St Byron

I couldn’t give a stuff about Carlton fans.

But it’s a matter of fact that they’ve really suffered in recent years. Their team and club leadership have been total garbage for more than two decades. I don’t know that even at our very worst, we were ever such a hopeless mess as they have been.

You're way too kind mate. This is the club that tried to shut us down in the 80's. Decades long arrogance propped up by corruption. Not even a sliver of compassion for them and their supporters can get past my loathing. F*** them.

ess and Carlton are cheating clubs. plain and simple. their supporters in the past were arrogant s*** heads and both clubs copped their right whack and if they suffer for another 100m yrs it wouldnt be long enough

Yes indeed. My only quibble with that post is "the past". Dees I don't mind. Carlton

[DJ Higgins]

On one game they have plus they have a better back line I.e weitering we are short a kpd. They have a superior mid field. We have Steele but we need another elite in there. I prefer our forward however

[meher baba]

St Byron

I couldn’t give a stuff about Carlton fans.

But it’s a matter of fact that they’ve really suffered in recent years. Their team and club leadership have been total garbage for more than two decades. I don’t know that even at our very worst, we were ever such a hopeless mess as they have been.

You're way too kind mate. This is the club that tried to shut us down in the 80's. Decades long arrogance propped up by corruption. Not even a sliver of compassion for them and their supporters can get past my loathing. F*** them.

ess and Carlton are cheating clubs. plain and simple. their supporters in the past were arrogant s*** heads and both clubs copped their right whack and if they suffer for another 100m yrs it wouldnt be long enough

Yep, I'm happy to see them suffer too. But they are only equal third with Geelong, behind the Bombers and the Swans, on the list of clubs I personally hate the most. And I find I struggle to find enough hate to spread around all of Satan's spawn.

[Yorkeys]

No, they have gone past Richmond. Maybe. Like Tiges were 20 points up into Q4 and had a few injuries to contend with.

Vis a vis Saints: TBD