Saintsational v St Kilda (Best and Fairest)

[kosifantutti]

With huge thanks to Sainter Dad for the Saintsational info and also showing me how to put a table together, here are the comparisons of the top 10 for the Trevor Barker award against the Eastern Memorial award from 2013 to 2021

This is a chance to see how much the club have over or under rated players over the last 9 years. If nothing else, it's one place you can go and find all our best and fairest finishes for the last 9 years without doing 9 separate Google searches.

The club usually only publishes a top 10 so if they have a player that we didn't put in the top 10, I have put in brackets where they finished at Saintsational. But I can't do it the other way eg I can't say where Hayes and McEvoy finished in the Trevor Barker award in 2013.

2013

Eastern	Barker
Montagna	Steven
Steven	Riewoldt
Riewoldt	Montagna
Armitage	Geary
Jones (C)	Armitage
Geary	Dal Santo
Dal Santo	Dempster (13)
Hayes	Jones
McEvoy	Ray (11)
Roberton	Roberton

2014

Eastern	Barker
Hayes	Riewoldt
Riewoldt	Hayes
Armitage	Dempster
Dempster	Montagna
Steven	Delaney (15)
Ray eq 6	Newnes
Savage eq 6	Armitage
Montagna	Steven
Newnes eq 9	Weller (13)
Stanley eq 9	Gwilt (18)
Billings eq 9
Dunstan eq 9

2015

Eastern	Barker
Steven	Steven
Armitage	Armitage
Montagna	Dempster
Roberton	Montagna
Bruce	Geary (19)
Newnes	Roberton
Riewoldt	Riewoldt
Dempster	Bruce
Savage	Fisher
Weller eq 10	Webster (19)
Fisher eq 10

2016

Eastern	Barker
Steven	Steven
Ross	Geary (17)
Riewoldt	Riewoldt
Hickey	Montagna
Armitage	Newnes
Acres	Ross
Weller eq 7	Weller
Membrey eq 7	Hickey
Montagna	Membrey
Newnes	Dempster eq 10 (13)
'	Armitage eq 10

2017

Eastern	Barker
Ross	Ross
Roberton	Roberton
Carlisle	Geary (12)
Steven	Carlisle
Billings	Billings
Dunstan eq 6	Steven
Steele eq 6	Webster (23)
Sinclair	Newnes (14)
Gilbert	Gresham (11)
Riewoldt	Brown (22)

2018

Eastern	Barker
Steven	Steven
Ross	Ross
Webster	Steele
Steele	Gresham
Gresham	Geary (11)
Carlisle	Webster
Dunstan	Carlisle
Billings	Membrey (15)
Sinclair	Billings
Armitage	McKenzie no votes

In 2018 McKenzie was never in the top 5 at Saintsational.

2019

Eastern	Barker
Marshall	Ross
Steele	Marshall
Billings	Steele
Clark	Billings
Ross eq 5	Membrey
Bruce eq 5	Gresham
Gresham	Wilkie (18)
Dunstan	Dunstan
Membrey	Bruce
Savage	Savage

2020

Eastern	Barker
Steele	Steele
Marshall	Butler
Clark	Howard
Jones (Z) eq 4	Marshall
Ryder eq 4	Coffield
Butler	Jones
Coffield	Wilkie
Billings	Ryder
Howard	Clark
Wilkie	Ross (20)

2021

Eastern	Barker
Steele	TBA
Crouch	TBA
Dunstan	TBA
Marshall	TBA
Sinclair eq 5	TBA
Jones (Z) eq 5	TBA
Billings	TBA
Clark	TBA
Hill	TBA
Membrey eq 10	TBA
Howard eq 10	TBA

TBA can stand for either To Be Advised or Trevor Barker Award.

Let me know if anything is unclear or if I've completely stuffed things up.

[CarlD]

Some interesting discrepancies between those lists eg Jarryn Geary in a couple of years.

While Luke Dunstan played a series of good games this year I am surprised he finished as high as he did in the Eastern Award. If he ends up there in the TBA as well he will presumably be more aggrieved.

[StPeter]

I am not sure how The Trevor Barker Award votes are tabulated but suspect, like most club awards, recognition is given to more than 5 players per match and maybe even in some cases all players are scored.

Therefore players like Wilkie, Webster and Sinclair who played most matches, but perhaps are not necessarily 1 to 5 rated, may accumulate votes at a lower level and feature higher than the Saintsational award. Hence players like Dunstan and Clark who played lesser games are unlikely to feature as high.


Also I feel there is a built in bias against certain players by some supporters on this site and elsewhere. It took weeks or even years for some supporters to recognise Sinclair's worth to the team. I used to be amazed at the number of undeserved negative comments about him posted here. I will be surprised if he does not significantly feature higher in the TBA than he appears in Eastern's list for this year.

[bangaulegend]

Sinclair & Jones tied in the Eastern this year & Jones missed a lot of games very surprised IMO Sincs will be top 3 in the Barker & Jones lucky to be top 5 . Just shows how differently people see the game

[Banger9798]

2020 I prefer our version to the Barker

[B.M]

It shows defenders hey B&F votes but not fan votes.

And the some players are underrated and some are overrated

[skeptic]

Reviewing SS this year...
Seems a misstep that Wilkie isn’t in the top 10

[asiu]

Some interesting discrepancies between those lists eg Jarryn Geary in a couple of years.

that was the disconnect
that jumped out at me as well

nearly whipping boy stuff


year eastern barker
13 ...... 6.......4
15 ......19 ......5
16.......17 ......2
17.......12 ......3
18......=10 ......5

[saynta]

Well you don't have to be Einstein to realise that this forum , wrongly I submit, has a lower opinion of our captain, than the club.

The proof is there for all to see.

[kosifantutti]

A slight update to the 2018 voting. Some late votes came in for the Eagles game.

It's hard to see how McKenzie finished 10th in the TBA when he only played 13 games and wasn't a stand out in any of them. IOHO (In Our Humble Opinion)

[B.M]

Some whipping boys have done alright - maybe they’re not that bad

Let’s sell em off though and take our chances on second and third round draft picks!!!

[saynta]

Some whipping boys have done alright - maybe they’re not that bad

Let’s sell em off though and take our chances on second and third round draft picks!!!

Yep. Some people have NFI.

[Sainter_Dad]

A slight update to the 2018 voting. Some late votes came in for the Eagles game.

It's hard to see how McKenzie finished 10th in the TBA when he only played 13 games and wasn't a stand out in any of them. IOHO (In Our Humble Opinion)

Just to clarify - the votes in the Eagles Game in 2018 were counted - and were in the 2018 total votes for the Saintsational Player of the year.

When I was asked to put together the stats for the past 8 years I trolled the Forum for the votes and must have misread a title.

The implication is clear that the Votes for 2018 were not complete - it was merely the summary on THIS years thread that was updated.

I have provided a step by step guide to how I tabulate these votes if anyone else would like to take over

[Toy Saint]

So, who do we expect to finish 2nd in the B&F?

[B.M]

Sinclair


Steele
Daylight
More Daylight
Sinclair
Daylight
Wilkie or Howard

[Wayne42]

I hope we recruit more daylight this off season, they're obviously good players.

[saynta]

I hope we recruit more daylight this off season, they're obviously good players.

Daylight was a bushranger, wasn't he?

[Scollop]

Second could go to Sincs, Howard or Wilkie and all would be worthy in my opinion

I think Hill might surprise and finish as high as fifth. Won’t be a surprise if he finishes as low as eighth, but I think his second half of the year was exceptional and his work ethic and leadership is an asset to the team

My top 10

Steele
Howard
Sinclair
Wilkie
Hill
Membrey
Webster
King
Crouch
Jones

[Wayne42]

Second could go to Sincs, Howard or Wilkie and all would be worthy in my opinion

I think Hill might surprise and finish as high as fifth. Won’t be a surprise if he finishes as low as eighth, but I think his second half of the year was exceptional and his work ethic and leadership is an asset to the team

My top 10

Steele
Howard
Sinclair
Wilkie
Hill
Membrey
Webster
King
Crouch
Jones

Hill may well of got votes off Ratts most weeks, Brett was his biggest fan, even when Hill was struggling, big time.

[saynta]

Crouch will be top 4 so

Steele
Sinclair
Wilkie
Crouch
Webster
Howard
Membrey
King
Hill
Ross

Jones and Billings didn't play enough games

[Wayne42]

Is anyone watching the Saints B&F hosted by Dal and Alicia via the link emailed to members ?

[skeptic]

I know Steele’s brought it home… not that that was in doubt

[Scollop]

Is anyone watching the Saints B&F hosted by Dal and Alicia via the link emailed to members ?

It’s a live stream. I’m enjoying it and they’ve dished out a few trophies like Robert Harvey best clubman award (Sinclair), the Lenny Hayes Crest Award ( Steele) and Sebby was given St Kilda Life Membership. We’re up to Round 19 and Brad Hill is the surprise packet. He’s currently in 3rd spot.

Steele is a mile ahead and then it’s close for the placings. Sincs is second and I think there’s Howard, Crouch, Wilkie and others doing ok. Membrey is top ten if I recall, and Jimmy Webster also top ten.

[Wayne42]

The top 10 ended up as follows
1/ Jack Steele = B&F for 2021
2/Jack Sinclair
3/ Tim Membrey
4/Callum Wilkie
5/ Brad Crouch
5/ Brad Hill (tie for 5th)
7/ Seb Ross
8/ Dougal Howard
9/ Jimmy Webster
10/ Max King

[Scollop]

This was just before counting for the last 4 rounds. A handful of votes separating 3rd down to eighth