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freely wrote: ↑Wed 21 Aug 2019 5:40am
Ratts sure is king of the kids - but appears to me to have zero fire in his belly. Appoint him and we can look forward to 3 more years of mediocrity imo. On the upside, by then Lenny might be ready.
Plenty of fire. He did pull Carlisle aside couple of weeks ago for his silly free kicks.
I think coaching wise he’ll be good - plus you can’t discount the hawthorn experience. The big issue is that this isn’t a flag challenging list. Lots of good players but not enough A graders in the midfield.
Leo.J wrote: ↑Tue 20 Aug 2019 9:43am
I love Harves, however, he hasn’t coached his own team. Imo that’s a pretty important feature of a coaches cv.
can you name the last premiership coach that came to the club with previous senior coaching experience?
since leigh matthews there's been just one, and his next team sacked him when they sat bottom on 1-7 in his third year.
Leo.J wrote: ↑Tue 20 Aug 2019 9:43am
I love Harves, however, he hasn’t coached his own team. Imo that’s a pretty important feature of a coaches cv.
Being a successful line coach is good, but having proof that you can inspire 40 or so men between 18 - 30 and communicate and execute a game plan with them through your line coaches is very important. Harves hasn’t done this yet.
I don’t think it matters what level you do it at either. But IMO he needs to tick that box in order to get a head gig.
Ratts for me.
As a player he was successful.
As a head coach he has been successful
As a line coach he has been extremely successful.
He’s been under some of the coaching greats of the game.
He has plenty of real life experience.
Leo.J wrote: ↑Tue 20 Aug 2019 9:43am
I love Harves, however, he hasn’t coached his own team. Imo that’s a pretty important feature of a coaches cv.
Being a successful line coach is good, but having proof that you can inspire 40 or so men between 18 - 30 and communicate and execute a game plan with them through your line coaches is very important. Harves hasn’t done this yet.
I don’t think it matters what level you do it at either. But IMO he needs to tick that box in order to get a head gig.
Ratts for me.
As a player he was successful.
As a head coach he has been successful
As a line coach he has been extremely successful.
He’s been under some of the coaching greats of the game.
He has plenty of real life experience.
Sign him up.
This
But that's like going to a job interview and the interviewer says do you have any experience.. No I don't .. Well how am I going to get the experience if no one gives me a go.. So by your book if you haven't coached a senior team you won't get a gig... All the best coaches never coached until they did..
Leo.J wrote: ↑Tue 20 Aug 2019 9:43am
I love Harves, however, he hasn’t coached his own team. Imo that’s a pretty important feature of a coaches cv.
Being a successful line coach is good, but having proof that you can inspire 40 or so men between 18 - 30 and communicate and execute a game plan with them through your line coaches is very important. Harves hasn’t done this yet.
I don’t think it matters what level you do it at either. But IMO he needs to tick that box in order to get a head gig.
Ratts for me.
As a player he was successful.
As a head coach he has been successful
As a line coach he has been extremely successful.
He’s been under some of the coaching greats of the game.
He has plenty of real life experience.
Sign him up.
This
But that's like going to a job interview and the interviewer says do you have any experience.. No I don't .. Well how am I going to get the experience if no one gives me a go.. So by your book if you haven't coached a senior team you won't get a gig... All the best coaches never coached until they did..
If I was hiring I’d go with the guy with experience, over the guy without.
And if I didn’t get a job because of lack of experience, I’d go get some.
It’s a very different beast coaching these days. It’s a combination man manager, psychologist, media personality and footy coach. Line coaching is very different from running the whole show.
Ratts has been envolved in 4 premierships, he is almost a risk free appointment.
Harves is the romantics choice but he is risky...we need to get this appointment right.
Most of the successful premiership coaches have coached their own teams prior to a gig as a senior AFL coach. Whether that's VFL, SANFL, WAFL or even country or suburban leagues.
A guy who has experience should also do a good job from the outset with the list achieving its maximum potential early in his tenure. Most rookies take a a few years to learn the ropes, unless you have a champion list with proven A grade leadership perhaps
We can't afford to get a rookie who might take 5-6 years to come good. It will cost us in terms of losing opportunities to attract good players. It will cost us if we get a rookie and the team is mediocre because that's not appealing for free agents and in terms of retaining some of the young stars on our list.
Therefore, Ratts is the better option than Bob imo
Lyon's run his race with the media. It's ok to be a surly prick when you are on top of the heap, but behaving like a petulant child whenever facing the press when the side you are coaching is middling wears pretty thin.
He carries on like a dick head. He does.
"Now the ball is loose, it gives St. Kilda a rough chance. Black. Good handpass. Voss. Schwarze now, the defender, can run and from a long way".....
bigred wrote: ↑Thu 22 Aug 2019 5:25pm
Lyon's run his race with the media. It's ok to be a surly prick when you are on top of the heap, but behaving like a petulant child whenever facing the press when the side you are coaching is middling wears pretty thin.
He carries on like a dick head. He does.
I wouldn't be surprised if he came back and coaches St Kilda next year.
