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So every club that's taken a No.1 pick should admit their mistake, that'd be most of them. We're one of the few Clubs that's taken a No.1 that's turned out to be a gun, Riewoldt & Goddard. Then there were Hodge (Hawthorn's recruiter was sacked for taking him ahead of Judd) & Cooney. Whitfield probably will be a gun and every other Club to an extent stuffed up their No.1.
I've actually gone over the #1 draft picks for the last 25 years - and no club has come close to stuffing it up like the Saints have. We may well have got the best #1 draft pick ever in Roo, but not since the mid to late 80's of the draft has a club ballsed it up like the Saints have with Paddy. Using the disclaimer of 'if not for his health' doesn't wash either in my eyes. His health was very much common knowledge before we drafted him. Not like after we drafted him he mentioned casually, 'BTW I have type 1 diabetes.'
The closest I can see for it being a bust like Paddy is Tom Boyd - the guy that should have won the Norm Smith in 2016 in a premiership winning team but has since done stuff all. The irony of that comparison is that it was the Tom Boyd draft that spooked us into selecting Paddy instead of Petracca......
Petracca is pretty ordinary. He's certainly not worthy of pick 1 based on his career to date, but every recruiter seemed to have it as a choice between Petracca or Paddy as pick #1 that year.
We may have stuffed it up but I'm not sure we'd exactly be rapt with the alternative either. The Tom Boyd thing threw everyone out - people got spooked that there were no decent key forwards left in the game and panicked.
Legendary wrote: ↑Mon 22 Apr 2019 12:40pm
Petracca is pretty ordinary. He's certainly not worthy of pick 1 based on his career to date, but every recruiter seemed to have it as a choice between Petracca or Paddy as pick #1 that year.
We may have stuffed it up but I'm not sure we'd exactly be rapt with the alternative either. The Tom Boyd thing threw everyone out - people got spooked that there were no decent key forwards left in the game and panicked.
I agree Legendary. Very few #1 picks become the best player from their draft. That’s okay. You generally expect 150 solid games from them though. Very few don’t reach that mark.....
So every club that's taken a No.1 pick should admit their mistake, that'd be most of them. We're one of the few Clubs that's taken a No.1 that's turned out to be a gun, Riewoldt & Goddard. Then there were Hodge (Hawthorn's recruiter was sacked for taking him ahead of Judd) & Cooney. Whitfield probably will be a gun and every other Club to an extent stuffed up their No.1.
I've actually gone over the #1 draft picks for the last 25 years - and no club has come close to stuffing it up like the Saints have. We may well have got the best #1 draft pick ever in Roo, but not since the mid to late 80's of the draft has a club ballsed it up like the Saints have with Paddy. Using the disclaimer of 'if not for his health' doesn't wash either in my eyes. His health was very much common knowledge before we drafted him. Not like after we drafted him he mentioned casually, 'BTW I have type 1 diabetes.'
The closest I can see for it being a bust like Paddy is Tom Boyd - the guy that should have won the Norm Smith in 2016 in a premiership winning team but has since done stuff all. The irony of that comparison is that it was the Tom Boyd draft that spooked us into selecting Paddy instead of Petracca......
Not saying they were all disasters, but none of them turned out to be guns. I probably overlooked Scully, but he's doing it at other Clubs. Taking Petracca wouldn't have been much better. A mid sized forward who may occasionally go through the midfield and will always have weight issues. No.1 pick doesn't guarantee you get the best player in the draft, it just means you get the player you want providing they're not a father/son or from an Academy.
So every club that's taken a No.1 pick should admit their mistake, that'd be most of them. We're one of the few Clubs that's taken a No.1 that's turned out to be a gun, Riewoldt & Goddard. Then there were Hodge (Hawthorn's recruiter was sacked for taking him ahead of Judd) & Cooney. Whitfield probably will be a gun and every other Club to an extent stuffed up their No.1.
I've actually gone over the #1 draft picks for the last 25 years - and no club has come close to stuffing it up like the Saints have. We may well have got the best #1 draft pick ever in Roo, but not since the mid to late 80's of the draft has a club ballsed it up like the Saints have with Paddy. Using the disclaimer of 'if not for his health' doesn't wash either in my eyes. His health was very much common knowledge before we drafted him. Not like after we drafted him he mentioned casually, 'BTW I have type 1 diabetes.'
The closest I can see for it being a bust like Paddy is Tom Boyd - the guy that should have won the Norm Smith in 2016 in a premiership winning team but has since done stuff all. The irony of that comparison is that it was the Tom Boyd draft that spooked us into selecting Paddy instead of Petracca......
I am still sticking with the Tiges and Richard Lounder
So every club that's taken a No.1 pick should admit their mistake, that'd be most of them. We're one of the few Clubs that's taken a No.1 that's turned out to be a gun, Riewoldt & Goddard. Then there were Hodge (Hawthorn's recruiter was sacked for taking him ahead of Judd) & Cooney. Whitfield probably will be a gun and every other Club to an extent stuffed up their No.1.
I've actually gone over the #1 draft picks for the last 25 years - and no club has come close to stuffing it up like the Saints have. We may well have got the best #1 draft pick ever in Roo, but not since the mid to late 80's of the draft has a club ballsed it up like the Saints have with Paddy. Using the disclaimer of 'if not for his health' doesn't wash either in my eyes. His health was very much common knowledge before we drafted him. Not like after we drafted him he mentioned casually, 'BTW I have type 1 diabetes.'
The closest I can see for it being a bust like Paddy is Tom Boyd - the guy that should have won the Norm Smith in 2016 in a premiership winning team but has since done stuff all. The irony of that comparison is that it was the Tom Boyd draft that spooked us into selecting Paddy instead of Petracca......
I am still sticking with the Tiges and Richard Lounder
Haha. Which is why I restricted my research to the last 25 years Crossy. There were some absolute disasters in the mid to late 80's/early 90's when drafting was nothing like what it is today in terms of science, testing and research into players.
So every club that's taken a No.1 pick should admit their mistake, that'd be most of them. We're one of the few Clubs that's taken a No.1 that's turned out to be a gun, Riewoldt & Goddard. Then there were Hodge (Hawthorn's recruiter was sacked for taking him ahead of Judd) & Cooney. Whitfield probably will be a gun and every other Club to an extent stuffed up their No.1.
I've actually gone over the #1 draft picks for the last 25 years - and no club has come close to stuffing it up like the Saints have. We may well have got the best #1 draft pick ever in Roo, but not since the mid to late 80's of the draft has a club ballsed it up like the Saints have with Paddy. Using the disclaimer of 'if not for his health' doesn't wash either in my eyes. His health was very much common knowledge before we drafted him. Not like after we drafted him he mentioned casually, 'BTW I have type 1 diabetes.'
The closest I can see for it being a bust like Paddy is Tom Boyd - the guy that should have won the Norm Smith in 2016 in a premiership winning team but has since done stuff all. The irony of that comparison is that it was the Tom Boyd draft that spooked us into selecting Paddy instead of Petracca......
I am still sticking with the Tiges and Richard Lounder
Haha. Which is why I restricted my research to the last 25 years Crossy. There were some absolute disasters in the mid to late 80's/early 90's when drafting was nothing like what it is today in terms of science, testing and research into players.
I believe if we had taken Petracca, in our side he would have been playing midfield and his output would be much higher than what he has produced at Melbourne. For one he would have been forced to get his fitness much better.
So every club that's taken a No.1 pick should admit their mistake, that'd be most of them. We're one of the few Clubs that's taken a No.1 that's turned out to be a gun, Riewoldt & Goddard. Then there were Hodge (Hawthorn's recruiter was sacked for taking him ahead of Judd) & Cooney. Whitfield probably will be a gun and every other Club to an extent stuffed up their No.1.
I've actually gone over the #1 draft picks for the last 25 years - and no club has come close to stuffing it up like the Saints have. We may well have got the best #1 draft pick ever in Roo, but not since the mid to late 80's of the draft has a club ballsed it up like the Saints have with Paddy. Using the disclaimer of 'if not for his health' doesn't wash either in my eyes. His health was very much common knowledge before we drafted him. Not like after we drafted him he mentioned casually, 'BTW I have type 1 diabetes.'
The closest I can see for it being a bust like Paddy is Tom Boyd - the guy that should have won the Norm Smith in 2016 in a premiership winning team but has since done stuff all. The irony of that comparison is that it was the Tom Boyd draft that spooked us into selecting Paddy instead of Petracca......
I am still sticking with the Tiges and Richard Lounder
Haha. Which is why I restricted my research to the last 25 years Crossy. There were some absolute disasters in the mid to late 80's/early 90's when drafting was nothing like what it is today in terms of science, testing and research into players.
Impatient Sainter wrote: ↑Mon 22 Apr 2019 7:07pm
I believe if we had taken Petracca, in our side he would have been playing midfield and his output would be much higher than what he has produced at Melbourne. For one he would have been forced to get his fitness much better.
I reckon he would have been booed by his own supporters. On exposed form, he has no tank, fumbles and is pedestrian paced.
Pus told us he would be off to collingwood after 2 years. Have a wander over to bigfooty melb thread after sundays game.
They have the pitch forks out!
So every club that's taken a No.1 pick should admit their mistake, that'd be most of them. We're one of the few Clubs that's taken a No.1 that's turned out to be a gun, Riewoldt & Goddard. Then there were Hodge (Hawthorn's recruiter was sacked for taking him ahead of Judd) & Cooney. Whitfield probably will be a gun and every other Club to an extent stuffed up their No.1.
I've actually gone over the #1 draft picks for the last 25 years - and no club has come close to stuffing it up like the Saints have. We may well have got the best #1 draft pick ever in Roo, but not since the mid to late 80's of the draft has a club ballsed it up like the Saints have with Paddy. Using the disclaimer of 'if not for his health' doesn't wash either in my eyes. His health was very much common knowledge before we drafted him. Not like after we drafted him he mentioned casually, 'BTW I have type 1 diabetes.'
The closest I can see for it being a bust like Paddy is Tom Boyd - the guy that should have won the Norm Smith in 2016 in a premiership winning team but has since done stuff all. The irony of that comparison is that it was the Tom Boyd draft that spooked us into selecting Paddy instead of Petracca......
I am still sticking with the Tiges and Richard Lounder
Haha. Which is why I restricted my research to the last 25 years Crossy. There were some absolute disasters in the mid to late 80's/early 90's when drafting was nothing like what it is today in terms of science, testing and research into players.
Jack Watts
Yep. Not #1 standard, and yet has still played many very good games and I expect will play 150 games. He is exactly who I was referring to when I said you'd expect 150 games as a minimum from a #1 draft pick. His output is miles in front of Paddy's and even if he quit tomorrow will always be.
So every club that's taken a No.1 pick should admit their mistake, that'd be most of them. We're one of the few Clubs that's taken a No.1 that's turned out to be a gun, Riewoldt & Goddard. Then there were Hodge (Hawthorn's recruiter was sacked for taking him ahead of Judd) & Cooney. Whitfield probably will be a gun and every other Club to an extent stuffed up their No.1.
I've actually gone over the #1 draft picks for the last 25 years - and no club has come close to stuffing it up like the Saints have. We may well have got the best #1 draft pick ever in Roo, but not since the mid to late 80's of the draft has a club ballsed it up like the Saints have with Paddy. Using the disclaimer of 'if not for his health' doesn't wash either in my eyes. His health was very much common knowledge before we drafted him. Not like after we drafted him he mentioned casually, 'BTW I have type 1 diabetes.'
The closest I can see for it being a bust like Paddy is Tom Boyd - the guy that should have won the Norm Smith in 2016 in a premiership winning team but has since done stuff all. The irony of that comparison is that it was the Tom Boyd draft that spooked us into selecting Paddy instead of Petracca......
I am still sticking with the Tiges and Richard Lounder
Haha. Which is why I restricted my research to the last 25 years Crossy. There were some absolute disasters in the mid to late 80's/early 90's when drafting was nothing like what it is today in terms of science, testing and research into players.
Jack Watts
Yep. Not #1 standard, and yet has still played many very good games and I expect will play 150 games. He is exactly who I was referring to when I said you'd expect 150 games as a minimum from a #1 draft pick. His output is miles in front of Paddy's and even if he quit tomorrow will always be.
So every club that's taken a No.1 pick should admit their mistake, that'd be most of them. We're one of the few Clubs that's taken a No.1 that's turned out to be a gun, Riewoldt & Goddard. Then there were Hodge (Hawthorn's recruiter was sacked for taking him ahead of Judd) & Cooney. Whitfield probably will be a gun and every other Club to an extent stuffed up their No.1.
I've actually gone over the #1 draft picks for the last 25 years - and no club has come close to stuffing it up like the Saints have. We may well have got the best #1 draft pick ever in Roo, but not since the mid to late 80's of the draft has a club ballsed it up like the Saints have with Paddy. Using the disclaimer of 'if not for his health' doesn't wash either in my eyes. His health was very much common knowledge before we drafted him. Not like after we drafted him he mentioned casually, 'BTW I have type 1 diabetes.'
The closest I can see for it being a bust like Paddy is Tom Boyd - the guy that should have won the Norm Smith in 2016 in a premiership winning team but has since done stuff all. The irony of that comparison is that it was the Tom Boyd draft that spooked us into selecting Paddy instead of Petracca......
I am still sticking with the Tiges and Richard Lounder
Haha. Which is why I restricted my research to the last 25 years Crossy. There were some absolute disasters in the mid to late 80's/early 90's when drafting was nothing like what it is today in terms of science, testing and research into players.
Jack Watts
Yep. Not #1 standard, and yet has still played many very good games and I expect will play 150 games. He is exactly who I was referring to when I said you'd expect 150 games as a minimum from a #1 draft pick. His output is miles in front of Paddy's and even if he quit tomorrow will always be.
How many are you expecting Paddy to play?
I expect him to either retire or be delisted by the club at the end of the year. Completely irresponsible of the club to play a young bloke who has had 8 concussions in 5 years and is still recovering from his latest knock 5 weeks later from what appeared to be nothing more than an innocuous knock. Incredible that the club are even considering it
If he does play again I wouldn't expect him to last half a season maximum before getting himself concussed. Surely no-one else on here expects anything different do they? Where is the evidence that he can absorb the knocks at this level??
In a world where Paddy never gets concussed (parallel universe) I would expect that he would play another 2-3 seasons before being delisted on exposed form. That is only because he is a former #1 draft pick and everyone would give him the maximum amount of opportunities. As I said before, any other player would probably have been delisted by now.
IMHO Bryce Squibbs has played 250 ummemorable games. Not once has he made a game his own. His highlight reel would be about a minute long Maybe shorter
silverhalo wrote: ↑Mon 22 Apr 2019 10:12pm
I'd be really surprised if Paddy played another game......he needs to retire immediately, cannot risk yet another concussion, just not worth it.
Richo and the club think otherwise. For the moment anyway.
At the kids day last week my daughter was tossing up whether to get 32 on her jumper so we asked one of the players (who was having to get parents to lift their kids up because he couldn’t bend down to sign his name) how Paddy was and if he would be out to sign autographs. His reply was that he is still having symptoms and only comes in to see the physio.
After that conversation my daughter got 11 on her jumper. Sadly he’s now running around in the twos.
He is probably going to be the last one to accept it but sadly I can’t see anyone letting Paddy play another game.
Moods wrote: ↑Mon 22 Apr 2019 8:48pm
I expect him to either retire or be delisted by the club at the end of the year. Completely irresponsible of the club to play a young bloke who has had 8 concussions in 5 years and is still recovering from his latest knock 5 weeks later from what appeared to be nothing more than an innocuous knock. Incredible that the club are even considering it
Agree. In boxing they call it a glass jaw and the only known cure is not to get hit. That’s not going to happen.
silverhalo wrote: ↑Mon 22 Apr 2019 10:12pm
I'd be really surprised if Paddy played another game......he needs to retire immediately, cannot risk yet another concussion, just not worth it.
Richo and the club think otherwise. For the moment anyway.
Not having a go at you Saynta but how do you know this? I bet you don't.
There has not been one unequivocal comment about that from the Club, the Coach, the player, his family, the doctors, his team mates, the press or my neighbor.
silverhalo wrote: ↑Mon 22 Apr 2019 10:12pm
I'd be really surprised if Paddy played another game......he needs to retire immediately, cannot risk yet another concussion, just not worth it.
Richo and the club think otherwise. For the moment anyway.
Not having a go at you Saynta but how do you know this? I bet you don't.
There has not been one unequivocal comment about that from the Club, the Coach, the player, his family, the doctors, his team mates, the press or my neighbor.
Prob making shyte up.
If Paddy still has symptoms he’s cooked.
Club is probably staying quiet as we are going so well there is no value in negative PR.
Mind you I’d call it positive just to make an announcement and move on.
Freezer is gone, we can’t keep having “gunners” in the team.
i am Melbourne Skies - sometimes Blue Skies, Grey Skies, even Partly Cloudy Skies.
So every club that's taken a No.1 pick should admit their mistake, that'd be most of them. We're one of the few Clubs that's taken a No.1 that's turned out to be a gun, Riewoldt & Goddard. Then there were Hodge (Hawthorn's recruiter was sacked for taking him ahead of Judd) & Cooney. Whitfield probably will be a gun and every other Club to an extent stuffed up their No.1.
I've actually gone over the #1 draft picks for the last 25 years - and no club has come close to stuffing it up like the Saints have. We may well have got the best #1 draft pick ever in Roo, but not since the mid to late 80's of the draft has a club ballsed it up like the Saints have with Paddy. Using the disclaimer of 'if not for his health' doesn't wash either in my eyes. His health was very much common knowledge before we drafted him. Not like after we drafted him he mentioned casually, 'BTW I have type 1 diabetes.'
The closest I can see for it being a bust like Paddy is Tom Boyd - the guy that should have won the Norm Smith in 2016 in a premiership winning team but has since done stuff all. The irony of that comparison is that it was the Tom Boyd draft that spooked us into selecting Paddy instead of Petracca......
I am still sticking with the Tiges and Richard Lounder
Haha. Which is why I restricted my research to the last 25 years Crossy. There were some absolute disasters in the mid to late 80's/early 90's when drafting was nothing like what it is today in terms of science, testing and research into players.
Jack Watts
Yep. Not #1 standard, and yet has still played many very good games and I expect will play 150 games. He is exactly who I was referring to when I said you'd expect 150 games as a minimum from a #1 draft pick. His output is miles in front of Paddy's and even if he quit tomorrow will always be.
How many are you expecting Paddy to play?
I expect him to either retire or be delisted by the club at the end of the year. Completely irresponsible of the club to play a young bloke who has had 8 concussions in 5 years and is still recovering from his latest knock 5 weeks later from what appeared to be nothing more than an innocuous knock. Incredible that the club are even considering it
If he does play again I wouldn't expect him to last half a season maximum before getting himself concussed. Surely no-one else on here expects anything different do they? Where is the evidence that he can absorb the knocks at this level??
In a world where Paddy never gets concussed (parallel universe) I would expect that he would play another 2-3 seasons before being delisted on exposed form. That is only because he is a former #1 draft pick and everyone would give him the maximum amount of opportunities. As I said before, any other player would probably have been delisted by now.
Too much contradiction and random logic about that to know what it means or how it relates to the facts of what's happening between Paddy and the club.
