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Post: # 1662523Post WellardSaint »

Nathan Brown
will he be sent to Tom Hawkins?
Or will Jake be asked to take on the monster?
Thoughts...


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Post: # 1662524Post stonecold »

WellardSaint wrote:Nathan Brown
will he be sent to Tom Hawkins?
Or will Jake be asked to take on the monster?
Thoughts...
Brown, keep big Jake up higher!!!!!
:wink:


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Post: # 1662527Post dragit »

stonecold wrote:
WellardSaint wrote:Nathan Brown
will he be sent to Tom Hawkins?
Or will Jake be asked to take on the monster?
Thoughts...
Brown, keep big Jake up higher!!!!!
:wink:
Yeah I hope that Brown is used to quell the monster forward as that is how he was sold to us…

Carlisle is a much better player and user of the footy so hopefully he has a little more freedom by not minding their #1 forward.


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stonecold wrote:
WellardSaint wrote:Nathan Brown
will he be sent to Tom Hawkins?
Or will Jake be asked to take on the monster?
Thoughts...
Brown, keep big Jake up higher!!!!!
:wink:
Is it wrong of me to compare Brown to Delaney, so early in Brown's tenure?
He seems to be a whole lot better than Delaney so far, but do we wait a few more games before giving him the tick of approval?
Against the Crows forwards, and the Swans


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WellardSaint wrote:
stonecold wrote:
WellardSaint wrote:Nathan Brown
will he be sent to Tom Hawkins?
Or will Jake be asked to take on the monster?
Thoughts...
Brown, keep big Jake up higher!!!!!
:wink:
Is it wrong of me to compare Brown to Delaney, so early in Brown's tenure?
He seems to be a whole lot better than Delaney so far, but do we wait a few more games before giving him the tick of approval?
Against the Crows forwards, and the Swans
Think it's totally fair bruh... they essentially play exactly the same role, Brown seems to be an upgrade (so far) which is great as I was skeptical.


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Post: # 1662530Post desertsaint »

WellardSaint wrote:
Playon wrote:Would of liked to of seen why we recruited Stevens.

But good luck to Billy, Meatball and Long ( for second game )

And Jacks back :)
Coach of Sandy Zebs, no less, said of Koby 2 weeks ago:
" I can see why we went so hard to grab him, he's well above VFL level"

Dunstan should be "managed" or "rested" or whatever, but hell, give Koby a crack.
Year../Average Disposals../Games
2013......16.3..................12
2014......17.4..................12
2015......20.3..................20
2016......22.3..................19

Tony74 said "nobody will play every game this year, they will all be managed"
So drop Dunstan and "manage" him for Chrissake
whose stats are these? they aren't Koby's and Dunstan disn't get drafted until the end of 2013.


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Post: # 1662532Post BigMart »

They sure as hell aren't Dunstan's

I wouldn't be complaining with those numbers


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Post: # 1662535Post Jacks Back »

Playon wrote:Would of liked to of seen why we recruited Stevens.

But good luck to Billy, Meatball and Long ( for second game )

And Jacks back :)
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desertsaint wrote:
WellardSaint wrote:
Playon wrote:Would of liked to of seen why we recruited Stevens.

But good luck to Billy, Meatball and Long ( for second game )

And Jacks back :)
Coach of Sandy Zebs, no less, said of Koby 2 weeks ago:
" I can see why we went so hard to grab him, he's well above VFL level"

Dunstan should be "managed" or "rested" or whatever, but hell, give Koby a crack.
Koby's stats now corrected:
Year../Average Disposals../Games
2013......18.3..................19
2014......17.4..................20
2015......20.3..................12
2016......22.3..................12

Tony74 said "nobody will play every game this year, they will all be managed"
So drop Dunstan and "manage" him for Chrissake
whose stats are these? they aren't Koby's and Dunstan disn't get drafted until the end of 2013.
Koby, I got them from thefinalsiren.com
but I had the games mixed up :shock:


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Post: # 1662540Post Playon »

Jacks Back wrote:
Playon wrote:Would of liked to of seen why we recruited Stevens.

But good luck to Billy, Meatball and Long ( for second game )

And Jacks back :)
HELLO!!
Must be an omen :)


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Post: # 1662541Post MC Gusto »

I reckon koby is earnig his spot. Once he gets it I doubt he'll lose it for sometime. I'd expect to see him come in soon


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MC Gusto wrote:I reckon koby is earnig his spot. Once he gets it I doubt he'll lose it for sometime. I'd expect to see him come in soon
Farkin hope so this Dunstan & Richo love is getting beyond ridiculous! Ill be praying for a late change Dunstan Out & K Stevens In.


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WellardSaint wrote:
stonecold wrote:
WellardSaint wrote:Nathan Brown
will he be sent to Tom Hawkins?
Or will Jake be asked to take on the monster?
Thoughts...
Brown, keep big Jake up higher!!!!!
:wink:
Is it wrong of me to compare Brown to Delaney, so early in Brown's tenure?
He seems to be a whole lot better than Delaney so far, but do we wait a few more games before giving him the tick of approval?
Against the Crows forwards, and the Swans

That's meant to be a joke, right?

Delaney was a very average VFL footballer whilst Brown was full back in a premiership team.


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longtimesaint wrote:
Impatient Sainter wrote:What does Dunstan have to do to get dropped 11 possessions last week, he is slower than treacle and cant kick the clinch goals? He would have been first out IMO!
Just as well the team is picked by people who know what they are doing.
We will see whos right when the Cats mids start running off him as he hasnt got the running capacity to be competitive on the spread?


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saynta wrote:
WellardSaint wrote:
stonecold wrote:
WellardSaint wrote:Nathan Brown
will he be sent to Tom Hawkins?
Or will Jake be asked to take on the monster?
Thoughts...
Brown, keep big Jake up higher!!!!!
:wink:
Is it wrong of me to compare Brown to Delaney, so early in Brown's tenure?
He seems to be a whole lot better than Delaney so far, but do we wait a few more games before giving him the tick of approval?
Against the Crows forwards, and the Swans

That's meant to be a joke, right?

Delaney was a very average VFL footballer whilst Brown was full back in a premiership team.
So was Fletcher Roberts last year, doesn't make him a great footballer.


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Post: # 1662564Post BigMart »

Delaney finished high in the b&f in his first year at stk


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Post: # 1662575Post Bluthy »

Worried about our inside game with Armo our big bull out and no real replacement. Steven obviously gives us some ballistic capability but need everyone to pitch in and win some inside ball. Glad the Minch gets another shot - no point keeping him on our list if we don't try the geezer out. We need to work out if he's got it or not at AFL level. Could rotate with Gresham in that small forward/midfielder role which gives us more midfield depth than Lonie.


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Bluthy wrote:Worried about our inside game with Armo our big bull out and no real replacement. Steven obviously gives us some ballistic capability but need everyone to pitch in and win some inside ball. Glad the Minch gets another shot - no point keeping him on our list if we don't try the geezer out. We need to work out if he's got it or not at AFL level. Could rotate with Gresham in that small forward/midfielder role which gives us more midfield depth than Lonie.
Bit of a worry about Meatball going missing for long periods. Might be why he was in and out of the seniors


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MC Gusto wrote:I reckon koby is earnig his spot. Once he gets it I doubt he'll lose it for sometime. I'd expect to see him come in soon
Assumption what !!!


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Post: # 1662611Post BigMart »

Or maybe because Minchington plays as a small forward in the seniors?


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dragit wrote:
saynta wrote:
WellardSaint wrote:
stonecold wrote:
WellardSaint wrote:Nathan Brown
will he be sent to Tom Hawkins?
Or will Jake be asked to take on the monster?
Thoughts...
Brown, keep big Jake up higher!!!!!
:wink:
Is it wrong of me to compare Brown to Delaney, so early in Brown's tenure?
He seems to be a whole lot better than Delaney so far, but do we wait a few more games before giving him the tick of approval?
Against the Crows forwards, and the Swans

That's meant to be a joke, right?

Delaney was a very average VFL footballer whilst Brown was full back in a premiership team.
So was Fletcher Roberts last year, doesn't make him a great footballer.
Geez our supporters love to criticise our club and its players. We finally get a big defender who has started well for the club, and we look to dis him. Unbelievable.


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Post: # 1662634Post Playon »

tony74 wrote:
BigMart wrote:Managing players in the 5th game after a 5 month pre season

Interesting
Players are managed during pre season.
Players are managed during pre season games.
You can't manage them all at the one time.
And most importantly- we have two superior ruckmen with two 6 day breaks coming up. No one ruckman doing 80% of the work would have been able to give 100% in all seven games. Hence managed.
When managed means dropped

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-04-21/b ... -sidelined

Richardson conceded ruckman Tom Hickey would have been dropped even though he "pulled up stiff" from last week's game.

Billy Longer will replace Hickey and play his first game for the season after strong form in the JLT Community Series.

"We would have made the change, we think we've been on the back foot too much at stoppages, " Richardson said.

"We think 'Hick' has some room to move there in terms of being better for us in the ruck.

"But it's time for Billy to have a go, he was really positive in the JLT series, (and) he's had to wait and be patient.

"We're excited about what he might be able to do for our team."


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Post: # 1662636Post Bluthy »

I don't know why people are so obsessed with managed/dropped/injured etc. Tony flagged it would be a rotation/horses for courses thing this year. Hicks has been doing a lot of work in games and maybe struggled without third man up protection. Time to see what Longer can do. Simple as that.

We have a whole squad - we should be using them and trying them out in the big show to see who is progressing and who isn't. We have to make tough delisting decisions at the end of each year and you need to keep putting them through the sieve of senior footy to see if they have nuggets of real gold or just fools gold inside them. Longer will be probably get a shock again how fast and hard AFL footy is. Great for his development to get another taste of it and see what parts of his game hold up and which don't.


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Bluthy wrote:I don't know why people are so obsessed with managed/dropped/injured etc. Tony flagged it would be a rotation/horses for courses thing this year. Hicks has been doing a lot of work in games and maybe struggled without third man up protection. Time to see what Longer can do. Simple as that.

We have a whole squad - we should be using them and trying them out in the big show to see who is progressing and who isn't. We have to make tough delisting decisions at the end of each year and you need to keep putting them through the sieve of senior footy to see if they have nuggets of real gold or just fools gold inside them. Longer will be probably get a shock again how fast and hard AFL footy is. Great for his development to get another taste of it and see what parts of his game hold up and which don't.
Agree with all of this.
My hope is that Longer breaks even in the 1st qtr, getting used to the pace and speed,
then 2nd qtr gets fully into gear, half time listens to where he needs to improve,
then rest of the game really bring all the lessons into play.
I really hope he grows during the game.
It's his chance to shine.


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Post: # 1662656Post dragit »

twirlyhair wrote:
dragit wrote:
saynta wrote:
WellardSaint wrote:
stonecold wrote:
WellardSaint wrote:Nathan Brown
will he be sent to Tom Hawkins?
Or will Jake be asked to take on the monster?
Thoughts...
Brown, keep big Jake up higher!!!!!
:wink:
Is it wrong of me to compare Brown to Delaney, so early in Brown's tenure?
He seems to be a whole lot better than Delaney so far, but do we wait a few more games before giving him the tick of approval?
Against the Crows forwards, and the Swans

That's meant to be a joke, right?

Delaney was a very average VFL footballer whilst Brown was full back in a premiership team.
So was Fletcher Roberts last year, doesn't make him a great footballer.
Geez our supporters love to criticise our club and its players. We finally get a big defender who has started well for the club, and we look to dis him. Unbelievable.
I don't think anyone is dissing him, just comparing him to the last guy we recruited for the same job who played in a similar manner.

Both low possession, spoiling defenders that offer little run and don't take a lot of marks… Delaney played some good games for us, came 5th in our B&F.

Their career stats are basically identical.


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