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spert wrote:Unfortunately regardless of the eventual outcome there will be no winners out of this latest episode where everyone will be dragged through the muck- the accused, the alleged victim, the football club, the police and obviously others
Except the media who will be rubbing their hands in glee.

Look at Caro's article today where she closes with the StKilda school girl DESPITE Caro knowing full well that the "girl" duped Caro and all the media, and that Caro's tirade against the saints v back then was mainly baseless. Yet Caro has the hide to drag out the "schoolgirl" again and imply the Saints were at fault then.

The media will have a field day.


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The beginning of the end!


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FortiusQuoFidelius wrote:According to The Age the Sexual Crimes Squad consulted the Office of Public Prosecutions prior to charges beilg laid, so I would think there has to be a reasonable chance of conviction.
No, this is not solely the case. It is certainly not uncommon for law enforcement bodies to confer with their respective prosecution agencies for high profile cases. In this case, the re-investgation when completed would present all the evidence to the ODPP to assess more so because it has been handled so poorly by police independent advice is sort. Whether the charge is to progress to court is then dictated by the ODPP Prosecutional Discretion policy which is quite extensive.

However, this is very pertinent; (direct quote from the ODPP Policy)

In the great majority of cases involving allegations of sexual offences, the objective circumstances of the alleged offending are such that (subject to the application of the general prosecutorial criteria and the sufficiency of evidence) a prosecution should proceed. In most such instances, “the public interest” will strongly suggest that the prosecution should proceed, as doing so will not only tend to uphold the rule of law, but will also validate and promote the welfare of the victim, and will permit a Court (in the event of a conviction being sustained) to sentence the offender, and thus ensure that the various purposes of sentencing (such as punishment, denunciation, deterrence, rehabilitation, and so on) are achieved.

/unquote

Extremely clear stance the ODPP have in relation to the matters.

Therefore my point is that the prospect of securing a conviction is not essential to progress such charges when taking into consideration the last paragraph. The fact that a complaint has been made, believe it or not, can be enough for a case to proceed especially if the other party admits to having sex. Then the issue comes down to consent and it really falls into the hands of a jury to decide.
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Tomorrows headline'

EX ESSENDON rookie charged!
Well he did have more connection to Bombers than Lovett did to us!


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Presumption of innocence is ok

Saying how sorry you feel for him without any details is another.... He will get his day in court to present his case...

But the victim in this case is not Milney, he's the one on trial

BTW... I'd also hate to see a club champion convicted.


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Lucky we're not in Iran
would've been stoned to death for adultery!


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It's strange how this comes out just when we were questioning whether the AFL umpires may be corrupt with their inept performance last week. Coincidence?


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Jacks Back wrote:It's strange how this comes out just when we were questioning whether the AFL umpires may be corrupt with their inept performance last week. Coincidence?
You're not related to Curley are you?
How deep do you think anti Saints conspiracies run?
Do you think maybe the catholic church instigated this to get child abuse off front pages!


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whiskers3614 wrote:Lucky we're not in Iran
would've been stoned to death for adultery!
The girl you mean obviously!


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Jacks Back wrote:It's strange how this comes out just when we were questioning whether the AFL umpires may be corrupt with their inept performance last week. Coincidence?
Go back to watching your usual porn you idiot.


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Post: # 1347999Post Greg T »

Bernard Shakey wrote:
whiskers3614 wrote:Lucky we're not in Iran
would've been stoned to death for adultery!
The girl you mean obviously!
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Bernard Shakey wrote:
Jacks Back wrote:It's strange how this comes out just when we were questioning whether the AFL umpires may be corrupt with their inept performance last week. Coincidence?
Go back to watching your usual porn you idiot.
I can't, I've gone blind.


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BigMart wrote:Presumption of innocence is ok
If by "ok" you mean a fundamental right, then yes!

BigMart wrote:Saying how sorry you feel for him without any details is another.... He will get his day in court to present his case...
No. We are allowed to feel sorry for him. He, and his family have suffered from this for nearly a decade. That does not diminish our concern for the alleged victim.
BigMart wrote:But the victim in this case is not Milney, he's the one on trial
He has been publicly tried for nearly ten years. So if he ends up being found not guilty, or the charges are dropped, how do you compensate him for that? How do you undo the decade of s*** that he has copped?
BigMart wrote:BTW... I'd also hate to see a club champion convicted.
Anyone proved guilty of rape should spend a long time in jail. A public figure will never escape the references to it.
My guess is that they wont proceed, unless something new has come to light. But in that case he wears it for life anyway.


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Sounds more like Milne is a victim of political correctness.
The original investigation seems to have been tainted so to prove that everything is above reproach he must be charged and then found innocent.
Of course the legal profession won't complain, they bill exhorbitant amounts to who ever gets caught in their net.
The real victims are the innocent who then get bankrupted and have their careers destroyed proving their innocence.

Prosecutors don't have to pay court costs or damages because of their wrong prosecutions, they go home to their marble clad palaces.


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matrix wrote:No
Not one poster has thought of the other person that's involved.
We have all jumped on milnes defence instead.



Of course people are concerned for BOTH sides
What a horrible thing to have to go thru for BOTH parties involved
The "Person involved" remains anonymous, Milney has his name dragged through the mud, like two other of our players!


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ace wrote:Sounds more like Milne is a victim of political correctness.
The original investigation seems to have been tainted so to prove that everything is above reproach he must be charged and then found innocent.
Of course the legal profession won't complain, they bill exhorbitant amounts to who ever gets caught in their net.
The real victims are the innocent who then get bankrupted and have their careers destroyed proving their innocence.

Prosecutors don't have to pay court costs or damages because of their wrong prosecutions, they go home to their marble clad palaces.

Are you still using? I thought you would be off the stuff now.


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Post: # 1348062Post SAAD »

The police officers who claim they were told to make this "thing" go away is concerning. The fact that certain confidential police documents ended up in the StKilda Football Club's position is also concerning.

Why would Milne come out after the Adam Goodes incident and say that he is also gets called names i.e rapist and that he wishes it would stop if he wasn't innocent? If he is guilty I guess it's like Lance saying he never doped.


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Post: # 1348068Post CURLY »

ace wrote:Sounds more like Milne is a victim of political correctness.
The original investigation seems to have been tainted so to prove that everything is above reproach he must be charged and then found innocent.
Of course the legal profession won't complain, they bill exhorbitant amounts to who ever gets caught in their net.
The real victims are the innocent who then get bankrupted and have their careers destroyed proving their innocence.

Prosecutors don't have to pay court costs or damages because of their wrong prosecutions, they go home to their marble clad palaces.

This is pretty much what the guy on Triple M said this morning Andrew Rool who does a legal report evry so often. Seems by sending it to court it will put a end to the claims of corruption.
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Post: # 1348069Post Rayza »

whiskers3614 wrote:Lucky we're not in Iran
would've been stoned to death for adultery!
In Iran the woman would be punished for disgracing her family!


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To the policeman who took it upon himself to pervert the course of justice 10 years ago, I hope you are proud of yourself. You need to come forward and explain how you felt you needed to play , judge and jury and interfere, only to impact all parties 10 years later. Please explain how you did this your self and you werent forced by the club or Milne, which is what a lot of people think happened. This should have been dealt with 10 years ago, and maybe Milne would not have had to put up with the crap he has, the alleged victim could have got on with her life, and the club wouldnt be dragged through the mud again. Or Milne would have served his time, the alleged victim would have had her day in court. But you decided you would deal with it your self, what an ego. How dare you think you were bigger than everyone else, look at destruction you have now caused.
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mullet wrote:To the policeman who took it upon himself to pervert the course of justice 10 years ago, I hope you are proud of yourself. You need to come forward and explain how you felt you needed to play , judge and jury and interfere, only to impact all parties 10 years later. Please explain how you did this your self and you werent forced by the club or Milne, which is what a lot of people think happened. This should have been dealt with 10 years ago, and maybe Milne would not have had to put up with the crap he has, the alleged victim could have got on with her life, and the club wouldnt be dragged through the mud again. Or Milne would have served his time, the alleged victim would have had her day in court. But you decided you would deal with it your self, what an ego. How dare you think you were bigger than everyone else, look at destruction you have now caused.
Where are you hero?
If, as alleged, someone in the police force has perverted the course of justice, then further charges in relation to this case should be laid.


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mullet wrote:To the policeman who took it upon himself to pervert the course of justice 10 years ago, I hope you are proud of yourself. You need to come forward and explain how you felt you needed to play , judge and jury and interfere, only to impact all parties 10 years later. Please explain how you did this your self and you werent forced by the club or Milne, which is what a lot of people think happened. This should have been dealt with 10 years ago, and maybe Milne would not have had to put up with the crap he has, the alleged victim could have got on with her life, and the club wouldnt be dragged through the mud again. Or Milne would have served his time, the alleged victim would have had her day in court. But you decided you would deal with it your self, what an ego. How dare you think you were bigger than everyone else, look at destruction you have now caused.
Where are you hero?
I would suggest that justice was not perverted, rather the investigating officer was told there was no case and to back off. That's not a conspiracy. Then that cop resigned, goes on a Current Affair (such a reputable so called news service) and suggested there was a conspiracy.


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Post: # 1348082Post Moorabbin Man »

matrix wrote:No
Not one poster has thought of the other person that's involved.
We have all jumped on milnes defence instead.



Of course people are concerned for BOTH sides
What a horrible thing to have to go thru for BOTH parties involved
Well the other person remains an anonymous shadow, whilst Milne's reputation is destroyed even if he is acquitted. Then if it is proven that the allegation is false and malicious the complainant still remains anonymous and is never held accountable. That is bulls***. The accused should also have their name suppressed.


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Post: # 1348085Post Moorabbin Man »

Bluto wrote:
FortiusQuoFidelius wrote:According to The Age the Sexual Crimes Squad consulted the Office of Public Prosecutions prior to charges beilg laid, so I would think there has to be a reasonable chance of conviction.
No, this is not solely the case. It is certainly not uncommon for law enforcement bodies to confer with their respective prosecution agencies for high profile cases. In this case, the re-investgation when completed would present all the evidence to the ODPP to assess more so because it has been handled so poorly by police independent advice is sort. Whether the charge is to progress to court is then dictated by the ODPP Prosecutional Discretion policy which is quite extensive.

However, this is very pertinent; (direct quote from the ODPP Policy)

In the great majority of cases involving allegations of sexual offences, the objective circumstances of the alleged offending are such that (subject to the application of the general prosecutorial criteria and the sufficiency of evidence) a prosecution should proceed. In most such instances, “the public interest” will strongly suggest that the prosecution should proceed, as doing so will not only tend to uphold the rule of law, but will also validate and promote the welfare of the victim, and will permit a Court (in the event of a conviction being sustained) to sentence the offender, and thus ensure that the various purposes of sentencing (such as punishment, denunciation, deterrence, rehabilitation, and so on) are achieved.

/unquote

Extremely clear stance the ODPP have in relation to the matters.

Therefore my point is that the prospect of securing a conviction is not essential to progress such charges when taking into consideration the last paragraph. The fact that a complaint has been made, believe it or not, can be enough for a case to proceed especially if the other party admits to having sex. Then the issue comes down to consent and it really falls into the hands of a jury to decide.
Yes, sad but true, I again refer to the prosecutions of Theophanus and Lovett, there was never a remote likelihood of conviction.


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Post: # 1348087Post Moorabbin Man »

BigMart wrote:Presumption of innocence is ok

Saying how sorry you feel for him without any details is another.... He will get his day in court to present his case...

But the victim in this case is not Milney, he's the one on trial

BTW... I'd also hate to see a club champion convicted.
Has everyone forgotten that the details of the allegations were leaked/published back in 2004. The allegations even if true, are NOT sexual assault. The Police or DPP are drawing an extremely long bow and therefore the complainant is either extremely sensitive if she genuinely believes she was violated (which I doubt), malicious or an ambulance chaser. Either way the most likely victim here is Stephen Milne.


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