List of new players for 2012

[lefty]

Trade Week
Ahmed Saad
Terry Milera

National Draft

Pick 25
Sebastian Ross
From: (North Ballarat Rebels, Vic)
DOB: 07/05/93
Height: 187cm
Weight: 82Kg

AMEET BAINS SAYS;
"Seb Ross is a very good stoppage midfielder, who runs hard and can take a strong mark."


Pick 35
Daniel Markworth
From: (Calder Cannons, Vic)
DOB: 03/04/92
Height: 189
Weight: 76

AMEET BAINS SAYS;
"Markworth is a medium forward with excellent pace and goal kicking ability."


Pick 37
Jack Newnes
From: (Northern Knights, Vic)
DOB: 24/02/93
Height: 184cm
Weight: 73Kg

AMEET BAINS SAYS;
"Newnes is a versatile midfielder with good endurance and is strong overhead."


Pick 42
Jimmy Webster
From: (Glenorchy, Tas)
DOB: 28/06/93
Height: 187cm
Weight: 72Kg

AMEET BAINS SAYS;
"An athletic midfielder/forward with clean hands, competes well and has a good left foot kick.â€

[Beno88]

Great to see a strong injection of youth into the club.

Since we lost the 2010 Grand Final we've turned over 20 players.

IN
Arryn Siposs
Sebastian Ross
Sam Crocker
Daniel Markworth
Tom Ledger
Jack Newnes
Ahmed Saad
Jimmy Webster
Terry Milera
Dean Polo
Jamie Cripps
Jay Lever
Beau Wilkes
Sam Dunnell
Cameron Shenton
Jordan Staley
Darren Minchington
Thomas Curren
Jackson Ferguson
Warrick Andreoli

OUT
Steven King
Zac Dawson
Steven Baker
Michael Gardiner
Nick Heyne
Tom Lynch
Jesse Smith
Andrew McQualter
Adam Pattison
Tommy Walsh
Leigh Fisher
Will Johnson
Alistair Smith
Robert Eddy
Paul Cahill
Mark Hutchings
Luke Miles
Blake McGrath
Steve Gaertner
Jarryd Allen

[SainterK]

Wow, when you look at it like that...

[borderbarry]

And you can add Gamble to both lists.

[Dr Spaceman]

And you can add Gamble to both lists.

Yeah, he was always an each way bet

[jays]

good work

[ace]

And you can add Gamble to both lists.

And you can add Andrew Lovett to OUT list.

We went into 2010 with 47 players but now only have 46, he is the diiference.

[ace]

Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney seem to have a better injecion of youth.
Both of them chock full of first round draft picks.

[ace]

Daniel Archer
Nick Winmar
Tom Simpkin
Rhys Stanley
have hardly established themselves, but have been around long enough not to even qualify for the list as INs.

[borderbarry]

Good point ACE. With the better draft coming up in 2012 we need to have some on the list to delist. if you get my meaning.

[To the top]

The weight of some of these kids says that it will be some time before they become effective AFL footballers.

They simply do not have the bodies at this stage - and it will take time to build the bodies.

So don't get too carried away with our drafted players. The great majority will be project players learning their way in the VFL.

2012 will revolve around the fitness and form of our key players and the continuing improvement of the likes of Armitage, Steven and McEvoy who now have the bodies to compete and impact.

Shenton may impact up forward, but he will have to improve his consistency by some number of degrees because there is a big gap between his impact games and the rest.

His finals series for Norwood confirms this.

[robsaint]

Of the list of 20 gone. How many played in the Grand final(s) and how many got a regular game. About 5 played in the grand final(s).

[whiskers3614]

Don't think we've really lost much apart from Gardiner.

[on the outer]

Think sometimes you need to look past the actual players and look at what was effectively "paid" for them in terms of draft picks, I think the loss of what were effectively three first round draft picks in Mcqualter, Lynch and Lovett for 90 odd games in total is not a very good return.

Turnover of Rookies not so much of an issue there's generally some reason they have been overlooked in the main draft (by every club including us). In any year with up to 8 rookies even if you only get 1 100+ game player I think your doing well. Means 7 wont be with the club in two years time.

[Gershwin]

Good point ACE. With the better draft coming up in 2012 we need to have some on the list to delist. if you get my meaning.

I think I do get your meaning and I feel the same way.
We give it a red-hot go next year but if we don't win the flag we have to engineer early draft picks.
This will mean trading players before their use-by date is up and I'm talking Goddard, Dal Santo, Fisher, Montagana ... No one will be interested in Riewoldt, Kossie, Milne.

Not easy to lose these players but we have to get a go at the early draft picks in what is predicted to be a good quality draft.

[saintsRrising]

Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney seem to have a better injecion of youth.
Both of them chock full of first round draft picks.

And errr.....you point is what exactly????

I mean these two clubs are starting from scratch will have a lot of youth due to this, augmented by a disproportiate number of early picks....so what is the point even comparing ourselves to them. It is completely irrelevant.

[saintsRrising]

I'm talking Goddard, Dal Santo, Fisher, Montagana ... No one will be interested in Riewoldt, Kossie, Milne.

.

Sheer madness.

I am quite pleased that Pelchen is managing our list rather that yourself.

Drafting kids is always high risk.

If you have stars you do not give the away for drat picks...half of whom will not make it.

Even many first round draft picks turn out to not be goof enough and do not make it.

We mike trade away all you say...and gain say three Raph's instead....whereas very good established players are exactly that.

[Gershwin]

I'm talking Goddard, Dal Santo, Fisher, Montagana ... No one will be interested in Riewoldt, Kossie, Milne.

.

Sheer madness.

I am quite pleased that Pelchen is managing our list rather that yourself.

Drafting kids is always high risk.

If you have stars you do not give the away for drat picks...half of whom will not make it.

Even many first round draft picks turn out to not be goof enough and do not make it.

We mike trade away all you say...and gain say three Raph's instead....whereas very good established players are exactly that.

Goddard, Dal Santo etc. were kids once too. But now they are getting to the end of their best.
I'm talking about getting picks at the cream of the crop. The very good young kids.
We need to trade them when they are just slightly over the hill - and get the very best that can give us 10 years +. Raph was a poor decision based on emotion because he is Xaviers's brother. Move on from that.

[SaintPav]

I'm talking Goddard, Dal Santo, Fisher, Montagana ... No one will be interested in Riewoldt, Kossie, Milne.

.

Sheer madness.

I am quite pleased that Pelchen is managing our list rather that yourself.

Drafting kids is always high risk.

If you have stars you do not give the away for drat picks...half of whom will not make it.

Even many first round draft picks turn out to not be goof enough and do not make it.

We mike trade away all you say...and gain say three Raph's instead....whereas very good established players are exactly that.

Goddard, Dal Santo etc. were kids once too. But now they are getting to the end of their best.
I'm talking about getting picks at the cream of the crop. The very good young kids.
We need to trade them when they are just slightly over the hill - and get the very best that can give us 10 years +. Raph was a poor decision based on emotion because he is Xaviers's brother. Move on from that.

how do you know that for sure? Love it how people just make things up.

[skeptic]

Raph was a poor decision based on emotion because he is Xaviers's brother. Move on from that.

Guess the fact that he was a highly touted junior that was at 1 point looking to go number 2-3 in the draft had nothing to do with that

[saintsRrising]

Even the teams that have their pick of the youth....still want to pick up talented mature players.

Trading away your best mature players would just guarantee mediocrity.

[saintly]

I'm talking Goddard, Dal Santo, Fisher, Montagana ... No one will be interested in Riewoldt, Kossie, Milne.

.

Sheer madness.

I am quite pleased that Pelchen is managing our list rather that yourself.

Drafting kids is always high risk.

If you have stars you do not give the away for drat picks...half of whom will not make it.

Even many first round draft picks turn out to not be goof enough and do not make it.

We mike trade away all you say...and gain say three Raph's instead....whereas very good established players are exactly that.

Goddard, Dal Santo etc. were kids once too. But now they are getting to the end of their best.
I'm talking about getting picks at the cream of the crop. The very good young kids.
We need to trade them when they are just slightly over the hill - and get the very best that can give us 10 years +. Raph was a poor decision based on emotion because he is Xaviers's brother. Move on from that.

clubs and their supports are not that mean to do that.

Goddard might go to GWS but the would really be the only one where we will get 2 first round draft picks for. if let us say we traded out reiwoldt, lenny goddard and dal santo in their mid 20's there would be no soul or heart left. No player would want to commit to the Saints.

[Gershwin]

I'm talking Goddard, Dal Santo, Fisher, Montagana ... No one will be interested in Riewoldt, Kossie, Milne.

.

Sheer madness.

I am quite pleased that Pelchen is managing our list rather that yourself.

Drafting kids is always high risk.

If you have stars you do not give the away for drat picks...half of whom will not make it.

Even many first round draft picks turn out to not be goof enough and do not make it.

We mike trade away all you say...and gain say three Raph's instead....whereas very good established players are exactly that.

Goddard, Dal Santo etc. were kids once too. But now they are getting to the end of their best.
I'm talking about getting picks at the cream of the crop. The very good young kids.
We need to trade them when they are just slightly over the hill - and get the very best that can give us 10 years +. Raph was a poor decision based on emotion because he is Xaviers's brother. Move on from that.

clubs and their supports are not that mean to do that.

Goddard might go to GWS but the would really be the only one where we will get 2 first round draft picks for. if let us say we traded out reiwoldt, lenny goddard and dal santo in their mid 20's there would be no soul or heart left. No player would want to commit to the Saints.

How do we get the early draft picks - you tell me!
All our top players were early picks - Hayes, Riewoldt, Koschitzke, Goddard, Ball, X Clarke, Dal Santo.
Otherwise we get R.Clarke, McQualter, Armitage, Lynch.

The cream of the crop for the next 10 years are in the top 10.

[SaintPav]

I'm talking Goddard, Dal Santo, Fisher, Montagana ... No one will be interested in Riewoldt, Kossie, Milne.

.

Sheer madness.

I am quite pleased that Pelchen is managing our list rather that yourself.

Drafting kids is always high risk.

If you have stars you do not give the away for drat picks...half of whom will not make it.

Even many first round draft picks turn out to not be goof enough and do not make it.

We mike trade away all you say...and gain say three Raph's instead....whereas very good established players are exactly that.

Goddard, Dal Santo etc. were kids once too. But now they are getting to the end of their best.
I'm talking about getting picks at the cream of the crop. The very good young kids.
We need to trade them when they are just slightly over the hill - and get the very best that can give us 10 years +. Raph was a poor decision based on emotion because he is Xaviers's brother. Move on from that.

clubs and their supports are not that mean to do that.

Goddard might go to GWS but the would really be the only one where we will get 2 first round draft picks for. if let us say we traded out reiwoldt, lenny goddard and dal santo in their mid 20's there would be no soul or heart left. No player would want to commit to the Saints.

How do we get the early draft picks - you tell me!
All our top players were early picks - Hayes, Riewoldt, Koschitzke, Goddard, Ball, X Clarke, Dal Santo.
Otherwise we get R.Clarke, McQualter, Armitage, Lynch.

The cream of the crop for the next 10 years are in the top 10.

yeah, good point. really good point.

[borderbarry]

Get your facts right Gershwin... Dal Santo was Pick 13, Raph pick 8, Armo 9.