Push Carlisle forward. Discuss

[Drake Huggins]

We do have someone elite and special on our list, who is capable of worrying opposition coaches almost as much as our former skipper did. Jake Carlisle is his name. A man who has kicked 8 in a game and has numerous multiple bags to his name. I know it has been reported he prefers to play in defence, but who amongst us is not a star full forward trapped in a back pocket's body? When you earn 500k a year, you play where the coach tells you to. He may even get used to the adulation he'll get when he carves up opposition defences. He's a great contested mark and more importantly, a very reliable kick for goal.

Tall, strong and agile as well. If he doesn't mark it, he'll cause the spillage our talented small forwards need. I'm not talking Lonie, Wright and Minchington. All will be gone at the end of the year. I'm talking Gresham, Billings, a surprise revival for Armo in the defensive role, and Hunter Clarke. With Paddy up there and Membrey playing the Roo - Lite role, we have the set up to terrify the best defences. Bruce to revert to the role he was originally recruited for which is the position formerly known as CHB but is now one of the tall defensive options. Bruce is a tall, endurance beast, who is the ideal modern defender and could be our Rance.

Come on Milky Bar Kid. Show a bit of flair, some dash and imagination. You might like it. The way you're going we're going back to the bottom, or at best lurking mid table until you are eventually sacked. It worked for Damien Hardwick. If he hadn't radically changed his approach and attitude last year, he'd be in the Centrelink queue right now, instead of being feted as a genius. A change in the player development coaching ranks and a new recruiting and list manager might help as well. You know it makes sense.

[saintsRrising]

I think Carlisle is our best option for a star key defender. So I would leave him there. Moreso as after Carlisle our other key defensive options are currently a big step down in quality, and you normally need at least two key defenders in most games. Do I want to only have two GOP key defenders? = No.

Carlisle is a good intercept mark and his field kicking helps to launch attacks.

Whereas with Bruce and Paddy, backed up with Membrey in the "third tall" role , I believe that we have enough marking targets up forward.


Sure swing him forward on occasion. But mainly play him back.

[SaintPav]

Would help if Logan and or Goddard came through.

Think Bruce needs to be slightly reinvented or traded

[avid]

Carlisle is the pillar our defence depends on. Leave him there and build around him.
We SHOULD have enough talent in the forward line to succeed -- without robbing the back line.

If we need another tall for the forward line, could we play Hickey there sometimes? (Along with Longer in the ruck.) Hickey has done some brilliant things when he's been down there on occasion.
Just a hunch I've got. I think Hickey can pinch-hit a lot more diversified roles.

[BringBackMadDog]

We do have someone elite and special on our list, who is capable of worrying opposition coaches almost as much as our former skipper did. Jake Carlisle is his name. A man who has kicked 8 in a game and has numerous multiple bags to his name. I know it has been reported he prefers to play in defence, but who amongst us is not a star full forward trapped in a back pocket's body? When you earn 500k a year, you play where the coach tells you to. He may even get used to the adulation he'll get when he carves up opposition defences. He's a great contested mark and more importantly, a very reliable kick for goal.

Tall, strong and agile as well. If he doesn't mark it, he'll cause the spillage our talented small forwards need. I'm not talking Lonie, Wright and Minchington. All will be gone at the end of the year. I'm talking Gresham, Billings, a surprise revival for Armo in the defensive role, and Hunter Clarke. With Paddy up there and Membrey playing the Roo - Lite role, we have the set up to terrify the best defences. Bruce to revert to the role he was originally recruited for which is the position formerly known as CHB but is now one of the tall defensive options. Bruce is a tall, endurance beast, who is the ideal modern defender and could be our Rance.

Come on Milky Bar Kid. Show a bit of flair, some dash and imagination. You might like it. The way you're going we're going back to the bottom, or at best lurking mid table until you are eventually sacked. It worked for Damien Hardwick. If he hadn't radically changed his approach and attitude last year, he'd be in the Centrelink queue right now, instead of being feted as a genius. A change in the player development coaching ranks and a new recruiting and list manager might help as well. You know it makes sense.

Surely with McCartin, Bruce and Membry plus with Battle and Marshall as back up we have enough height and talent in the forward half. Carlisle is our only real top quality tall defender and must be kept there

[congorozides]

Let's give Austin a go down back and watch Paddy before we begin to discuss this.

Would be a panic move at this stage imo.

If we get to the point where we are certain that Paddy and Bruce are no good - then at the point - we might meet to consider it. But we arent there yet.

[CQ SAINT]

Would help if Logan and or Goddard came through.

Think Bruce needs to be slightly reinvented or traded

124 goals from CHF/FF n his last 64 games with Membrey, McCartin and Riewoldt in the side and part tme rucking as well. How would you reinvent him?

[Drake Huggins]

We do have someone elite and special on our list, who is capable of worrying opposition coaches almost as much as our former skipper did. Jake Carlisle is his name. A man who has kicked 8 in a game and has numerous multiple bags to his name. I know it has been reported he prefers to play in defence, but who amongst us is not a star full forward trapped in a back pocket's body? When you earn 500k a year, you play where the coach tells you to. He may even get used to the adulation he'll get when he carves up opposition defences. He's a great contested mark and more importantly, a very reliable kick for goal.

Tall, strong and agile as well. If he doesn't mark it, he'll cause the spillage our talented small forwards need. I'm not talking Lonie, Wright and Minchington. All will be gone at the end of the year. I'm talking Gresham, Billings, a surprise revival for Armo in the defensive role, and Hunter Clarke. With Paddy up there and Membrey playing the Roo - Lite role, we have the set up to terrify the best defences. Bruce to revert to the role he was originally recruited for which is the position formerly known as CHB but is now one of the tall defensive options. Bruce is a tall, endurance beast, who is the ideal modern defender and could be our Rance.

Come on Milky Bar Kid. Show a bit of flair, some dash and imagination. You might like it. The way you're going we're going back to the bottom, or at best lurking mid table until you are eventually sacked. It worked for Damien Hardwick. If he hadn't radically changed his approach and attitude last year, he'd be in the Centrelink queue right now, instead of being feted as a genius. A change in the player development coaching ranks and a new recruiting and list manager might help as well. You know it makes sense.

Surely with McCartin, Bruce and Membry plus with Battle and Marshall as back up we have enough height and talent in the forward half. Carlisle is our only real top quality tall defender and must be kept there

Carlisle is our best or second best attacking player. Why not use him there?

[saintsRrising]

Carlisle is our best or second best attacking player. Why not use him there?

To be a very good team you must be very attacking out of defence and so this is a very good reason to keep Carlisle back.

[SaintPav]

Would help if Logan and or Goddard came through.

Think Bruce needs to be slightly reinvented or traded

124 goals from CHF/FF n his last 64 games with Membrey, McCartin and Riewoldt in the side and part tme rucking as well. How would you reinvent him?

That not even 2 goals a game and for someone who is supposed to be our key forward, that’s not good enough.

He’s been serviceable, but in reality he’s only had one really good year.

I’d play him further up the ground and use him as the link player. Leave Membrey and Paddy closer to goal. I think Membrey is more dangerous closer to goal and I don’t think that Paddy can play that role effectively. I wouldn’t use him in the ruck if we can help it.

[darylcowie]

We do have someone elite and special on our list, who is capable of worrying opposition coaches almost as much as our former skipper did. Jake Carlisle is his name. A man who has kicked 8 in a game and has numerous multiple bags to his name. I know it has been reported he prefers to play in defence, but who amongst us is not a star full forward trapped in a back pocket's body? When you earn 500k a year, you play where the coach tells you to. He may even get used to the adulation he'll get when he carves up opposition defences. He's a great contested mark and more importantly, a very reliable kick for goal.

Tall, strong and agile as well. If he doesn't mark it, he'll cause the spillage our talented small forwards need. I'm not talking Lonie, Wright and Minchington. All will be gone at the end of the year. I'm talking Gresham, Billings, a surprise revival for Armo in the defensive role, and Hunter Clarke. With Paddy up there and Membrey playing the Roo - Lite role, we have the set up to terrify the best defences. Bruce to revert to the role he was originally recruited for which is the position formerly known as CHB but is now one of the tall defensive options. Bruce is a tall, endurance beast, who is the ideal modern defender and could be our Rance.

Come on Milky Bar Kid. Show a bit of flair, some dash and imagination. You might like it. The way you're going we're going back to the bottom, or at best lurking mid table until you are eventually sacked. It worked for Damien Hardwick. If he hadn't radically changed his approach and attitude last year, he'd be in the Centrelink queue right now, instead of being feted as a genius. A change in the player development coaching ranks and a new recruiting and list manager might help as well. You know it makes sense.

I've thought this was a good idea since last year. The only knock on Carlisle is his mobility/turning circle. Agree that Bruce is better suited to CHB. FB will be interesting perhaps with Austin replaci g Brown.

[The Fireman]

agree with the op CHF

been thinking the same thing for awhile

[Goose is king]

For me leave him back. For us he only seems to go forward when we are behind and struggling, perhaps give him a little time there in the 4th quarter when we are on top to see how he goes.

[Jacks Back]

We do have someone elite and special on our list, who is capable of worrying opposition coaches almost as much as our former skipper did. Jake Carlisle is his name. A man who has kicked 8 in a game and has numerous multiple bags to his name. I know it has been reported he prefers to play in defence, but who amongst us is not a star full forward trapped in a back pocket's body? When you earn 500k a year, you play where the coach tells you to. He may even get used to the adulation he'll get when he carves up opposition defences. He's a great contested mark and more importantly, a very reliable kick for goal.

Tall, strong and agile as well. If he doesn't mark it, he'll cause the spillage our talented small forwards need. I'm not talking Lonie, Wright and Minchington. All will be gone at the end of the year. I'm talking Gresham, Billings, a surprise revival for Armo in the defensive role, and Hunter Clarke. With Paddy up there and Membrey playing the Roo - Lite role, we have the set up to terrify the best defences. Bruce to revert to the role he was originally recruited for which is the position formerly known as CHB but is now one of the tall defensive options. Bruce is a tall, endurance beast, who is the ideal modern defender and could be our Rance.

Come on Milky Bar Kid. Show a bit of flair, some dash and imagination. You might like it. The way you're going we're going back to the bottom, or at best lurking mid table until you are eventually sacked. It worked for Damien Hardwick. If he hadn't radically changed his approach and attitude last year, he'd be in the Centrelink queue right now, instead of being feted as a genius. A change in the player development coaching ranks and a new recruiting and list manager might help as well. You know it makes sense.

I've thought this was a good idea since last year. The only knock on Carlisle is his mobility/turning circle. Agree that Bruce is better suited to CHB. FB will be interesting perhaps with Austin replaci g Brown.

The titanic turning circle certainly doesn't help and he doesn't really pick up a player in defense does he? Give it a go, Richo!

[satchmo]

Play him as a defender ...until the last quarter of the GF.
Then let the fury of hell rain down on the vanquished and pitiful opposition, as we have a fifth glass of pinot in the stands.

[Impatient Sainter]

Drake you are thinking too far out of the box, Richo will have an anxiety attack if we were to do anything that radical on a permanent basis.

[CQ SAINT]

Would help if Logan and or Goddard came through.

Think Bruce needs to be slightly reinvented or traded

124 goals from CHF/FF n his last 64 games with Membrey, McCartin and Riewoldt in the side and part tme rucking as well. How would you reinvent him?

That not even 2 goals a game and for someone who is supposed to be our key forward, that’s not good enough.

He’s been serviceable, but in reality he’s only had one really good year.

I’d play him further up the ground and use him as the link player. Leave Membrey and Paddy closer to goal. I think Membrey is more dangerous closer to goal and I don’t think that Paddy can play that role effectively. I wouldn’t use him in the ruck if we can help it.

Thats a tough call on Bruce who wss a defender 4 years ago and he has played the last three years in a Riewoldt centric forward line. In comparison with current group of spearhead forwards at the same age, his averages are not that bad and unlike Franklin who is the only real standout at 25 he is not in a champion who are side playing in finals. He has been in a developing side.

[CQ SAINT]

Would help if Logan and or Goddard came through.

Think Bruce needs to be slightly reinvented or traded

124 goals from CHF/FF n his last 64 games with Membrey, McCartin and Riewoldt in the side and part tme rucking as well. How would you reinvent him?

That not even 2 goals a game and for someone who is supposed to be our key forward, that’s not good enough.

He’s been serviceable, but in reality he’s only had one really good year.

I’d play him further up the ground and use him as the link player. Leave Membrey and Paddy closer to goal. I think Membrey is more dangerous closer to goal and I don’t think that Paddy can play that role effectively. I wouldn’t use him in the ruck if we can help it.

Thats a tough call on Bruce who wss a defender 4 years ago and he has played the last three years in a Riewoldt centric forward line. In comparison with current group of spearhead forwards at the same age, his averages are not that bad and unlike Franklin who is the only real standout at 25 he is not in a champion side who are side playing in finals. He has been in a developing side.

[Trev from the Bush]

Trade Bruce?

Phhhhtttttt!!!!

[takeaway]

There are plenty of options for talls in the forward line excluding Carlisle. I would give them a go, but certainly use Carlisle to pinch hit up forward on occasions.

I don't think he is a permanent forward, not especially agile and prefers to play straight down the line rather than having to turn around. His accurate field kicking would essentially be lost. Defenders may also be able to run off him.

Very good player, but I don't think he has reached the elite class that some would put him in.

[parkeysainter]

Carlisle is needed at CHB for his intercept marking and big body. It must be permanent mostly.

If the opposition plays small or we are really desperate for a goal and things aren't working up forward then sure...Carlisle is good for some pinch hitting.

[ausfatcat]

I don't understand why anyone would consider moving your best backman to the forward line

[Drake Huggins]

I don't understand why anyone would consider moving your best backman to the forward line

Because our best backman is actually our best forward, now that Roo is gone.

[takeaway]

I don't understand why anyone would consider moving your best backman to the forward line

Because our best backman is actually our best forward, now that Roo is gone.

That statement is a bit hard to justify. He has never played for an extended period as a forward, did kick a bag of 8 mainly by using his height against the short Bulldogs defence, but was used as a backman mainly by the bombers, as that is his best position. Best as our main tall back, pinch hitting forward at best.

I would put Membrey & Bruce ahead of him as a forward, with McCartin having the potential to be the best of the lot. See how they go, with Battle, Marshall hopefully getting some experience as well.

[DJ Higgins]

I don't understand why anyone would consider moving your best backman to the forward line

Because our best backman is actually our best forward, now that Roo is gone.

Makes no sense to me. He is our best back. Roberton works well off him but would struggle with him not there. Who would take his place up back and don't say Bruce. He is inaccurate big time. He would cause so many turnovers due to poor kicking. Plus we have enough forward options already