List Analysis - Average Ages & Recycled players

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Re: List Analysis - Average Ages & Recycled players

Postby Zed » Tue 12 Dec 2017 2:20pm

Teams like Carlton and St Kilda have high numbers of recycled players being offered second chances to make up for the failings of their own drafting and development programs. Other teams like Essendon and Port clearly topping up for a tilt at a flag.
Highlights what a great program Sydney must have given they are always around the mark - sure they get help from the Academy situation but still they are largely grow your own, particularly impressive when you look at the number of rookies they have developed.
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Re: List Analysis - Average Ages & Recycled players

Postby CURLY » Tue 12 Dec 2017 2:51pm

Zed wrote:Teams like Carlton and St Kilda have high numbers of recycled players being offered second chances to make up for the failings of their own drafting and development programs. Other teams like Essendon and Port clearly topping up for a tilt at a flag.
Highlights what a great program Sydney must have given they are always around the mark - sure they get help from the Academy situation but still they are largely grow your own, particularly impressive when you look at the number of rookies they have developed.


Yeah must me really hard for Sydney getting 2 players in Heeney and Mills that were rated top 3 in the draft as late first rounders.
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Re: List Analysis - Average Ages & Recycled players

Postby Zed » Tue 12 Dec 2017 10:24pm

CURLY wrote:
Zed wrote:Teams like Carlton and St Kilda have high numbers of recycled players being offered second chances to make up for the failings of their own drafting and development programs. Other teams like Essendon and Port clearly topping up for a tilt at a flag.
Highlights what a great program Sydney must have given they are always around the mark - sure they get help from the Academy situation but still they are largely grow your own, particularly impressive when you look at the number of rookies they have developed.


Yeah must me really hard for Sydney getting 2 players in Heeney and Mills that were rated top 3 in the draft as late first rounders.


And in terms of developing their top 3 picks, which club has done a better job - Sydney with Mills and Heeney or us with Paddy and Billings ?.
Have a look at how many Ex-rookies are part of their best 22 compared to us and tell me they don’t have a better eye for talent and a better program for developing talent.
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Re: List Analysis - Average Ages & Recycled players

Postby Con Gorozidis » Tue 12 Dec 2017 11:41pm

CURLY wrote:
Zed wrote:Teams like Carlton and St Kilda have high numbers of recycled players being offered second chances to make up for the failings of their own drafting and development programs. Other teams like Essendon and Port clearly topping up for a tilt at a flag.
Highlights what a great program Sydney must have given they are always around the mark - sure they get help from the Academy situation but still they are largely grow your own, particularly impressive when you look at the number of rookies they have developed.


Yeah must me really hard for Sydney getting 2 players in Heeney and Mills that were rated top 3 in the draft as late first rounders.


Heath Grundy - 42 Rookie draft
Josh Kennedy - Pick 39 National Draft
Luke Parker (Dromana) - Pick 42 ND
Dane Rampe - Rookie 37
Jake Lloyd - Rookie 15
George Hewett - Pick 32 ND
Tom Papley - Rookie 12
Nic Newman (Mornington) - Rookie 35
Lewis Melican - Rookie 52.


Yeah Curly. Just like the umps.

One giant conspiracy and an AFL gift.
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Re: List Analysis - Average Ages & Recycled players

Postby dragit » Wed 13 Dec 2017 10:25am

Zed wrote:
CURLY wrote:
Zed wrote:Teams like Carlton and St Kilda have high numbers of recycled players being offered second chances to make up for the failings of their own drafting and development programs. Other teams like Essendon and Port clearly topping up for a tilt at a flag.
Highlights what a great program Sydney must have given they are always around the mark - sure they get help from the Academy situation but still they are largely grow your own, particularly impressive when you look at the number of rookies they have developed.


Yeah must me really hard for Sydney getting 2 players in Heeney and Mills that were rated top 3 in the draft as late first rounders.


And in terms of developing their top 3 picks, which club has done a better job - Sydney with Mills and Heeney or us with Paddy and Billings ?.
Have a look at how many Ex-rookies are part of their best 22 compared to us and tell me they don’t have a better eye for talent and a better program for developing talent.

Sydney are the AFL so of course they set-up to succeed, their development & recruitment teams would be absolutely stacked.

Throw in the Kieren Jack draft tampering, Hall's acquittal, Tippett & Franklin signing on as free agents when they had an extra million in cap space… miracles do happen.
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Re: List Analysis - Average Ages & Recycled players

Postby saintsRrising » Wed 13 Dec 2017 3:44pm

Zed wrote:Teams like Carlton and St Kilda have high numbers of recycled players.


I read that, but then I opened the link.

Port Adelaide 13
STK
St Kilda 13
COLL
Collingwood 12
MELB
Melbourne 12
BL
Brisbane Lions 11
ESS
Essendon 11
GWS
Greater Western Sydney 11
HAW
Hawthorn 11
ADEL
Adelaide 10
GEEL
Geelong 10
GCFC
Gold Coast 10

So compared to most clubs we do not really have a high number. Carlton at 20 is really the outlier there.


With greater player mobility, having a significant number of players on your list who have played elsewhere is really just the new normal.
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Re: List Analysis - Average Ages & Recycled players

Postby CURLY » Wed 13 Dec 2017 10:30pm

Con Gorozidis wrote:
CURLY wrote:
Zed wrote:Teams like Carlton and St Kilda have high numbers of recycled players being offered second chances to make up for the failings of their own drafting and development programs. Other teams like Essendon and Port clearly topping up for a tilt at a flag.
Highlights what a great program Sydney must have given they are always around the mark - sure they get help from the Academy situation but still they are largely grow your own, particularly impressive when you look at the number of rookies they have developed.


Yeah must me really hard for Sydney getting 2 players in Heeney and Mills that were rated top 3 in the draft as late first rounders.


Heath Grundy - 42 Rookie draft
Josh Kennedy - Pick 39 National Draft
Luke Parker (Dromana) - Pick 42 ND
Dane Rampe - Rookie 37
Jake Lloyd - Rookie 15
George Hewett - Pick 32 ND
Tom Papley - Rookie 12
Nic Newman (Mornington) - Rookie 35
Lewis Melican - Rookie 52.


Yeah Curly. Just like the umps.

One giant conspiracy and an AFL gift.


Every club has a list like yours above they just don't have gifts like Franklin Heeney and Mills. Put those three in StKildas side and we'd be in Sydney's position.
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Re: List Analysis - Average Ages & Recycled players

Postby elizabethr » Sat 16 Dec 2017 12:54am

Too many recycled GOP's
nothing to say
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Re: List Analysis - Average Ages & Recycled players

Postby Con Gorozidis » Sat 16 Dec 2017 4:03am

CURLY wrote:
Con Gorozidis wrote:
CURLY wrote:
Zed wrote:Teams like Carlton and St Kilda have high numbers of recycled players being offered second chances to make up for the failings of their own drafting and development programs. Other teams like Essendon and Port clearly topping up for a tilt at a flag.
Highlights what a great program Sydney must have given they are always around the mark - sure they get help from the Academy situation but still they are largely grow your own, particularly impressive when you look at the number of rookies they have developed.


Yeah must me really hard for Sydney getting 2 players in Heeney and Mills that were rated top 3 in the draft as late first rounders.


Heath Grundy - 42 Rookie draft
Josh Kennedy - Pick 39 National Draft
Luke Parker (Dromana) - Pick 42 ND
Dane Rampe - Rookie 37
Jake Lloyd - Rookie 15
George Hewett - Pick 32 ND
Tom Papley - Rookie 12
Nic Newman (Mornington) - Rookie 35
Lewis Melican - Rookie 52.


Yeah Curly. Just like the umps.

One giant conspiracy and an AFL gift.


Every club has a list like yours above they just don't have gifts like Franklin Heeney and Mills. Put those three in StKildas side and we'd be in Sydney's position.


Yes Curly.
We know.

The VfL/AFL has conspired against us for 130 years.


If it wasnt for those damn conspirators we would have 5 flags by now..

Your paranoid childish s*** is so boring . I am bored shitless.

Surprise me for once.
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Re: List Analysis - Average Ages & Recycled players

Postby Con Gorozidis » Sat 16 Dec 2017 4:04am

elizabethr wrote:Too many recycled GOP's


NO.
Bains is a genius.
Havent you heard?

Well regarded.

AFL circles.

Also Pelchen was also a genius.
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Re: List Analysis - Average Ages & Recycled players

Postby jays » Sat 16 Dec 2017 8:12am

Zed wrote:Teams like Carlton and St Kilda have high numbers of recycled players being offered second chances to make up for the failings of their own drafting and development programs. Other teams like Essendon and Port clearly topping up for a tilt at a flag.
Highlights what a great program Sydney must have given they are always around the mark - sure they get help from the Academy situation but still they are largely grow your own, particularly impressive when you look at the number of rookies they have developed.

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Re: List Analysis - Average Ages & Recycled players

Postby CURLY » Mon 18 Dec 2017 8:00am

Con Gorozidis wrote:
CURLY wrote:
Con Gorozidis wrote:
CURLY wrote:
Zed wrote:Teams like Carlton and St Kilda have high numbers of recycled players being offered second chances to make up for the failings of their own drafting and development programs. Other teams like Essendon and Port clearly topping up for a tilt at a flag.
Highlights what a great program Sydney must have given they are always around the mark - sure they get help from the Academy situation but still they are largely grow your own, particularly impressive when you look at the number of rookies they have developed.


Yeah must me really hard for Sydney getting 2 players in Heeney and Mills that were rated top 3 in the draft as late first rounders.


Heath Grundy - 42 Rookie draft
Josh Kennedy - Pick 39 National Draft
Luke Parker (Dromana) - Pick 42 ND
Dane Rampe - Rookie 37
Jake Lloyd - Rookie 15
George Hewett - Pick 32 ND
Tom Papley - Rookie 12
Nic Newman (Mornington) - Rookie 35
Lewis Melican - Rookie 52.


Yeah Curly. Just like the umps.

One giant conspiracy and an AFL gift.


Every club has a list like yours above they just don't have gifts like Franklin Heeney and Mills. Put those three in StKildas side and we'd be in Sydney's position.


Yes Curly.
We know.

The VfL/AFL has conspired against us for 130 years.


If it wasnt for those damn conspirators we would have 5 flags by now..

Your paranoid childish s*** is so boring . I am bored shitless.

Surprise me for once.


Yeah handing sides that finish top two the best rated kids the following year sounds legit and fair to the clubs with out access to this.
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Re: List Analysis - Average Ages & Recycled players

Postby CURLY » Mon 18 Dec 2017 8:00am

Con Gorozidis wrote:
CURLY wrote:
Con Gorozidis wrote:
CURLY wrote:
Zed wrote:Teams like Carlton and St Kilda have high numbers of recycled players being offered second chances to make up for the failings of their own drafting and development programs. Other teams like Essendon and Port clearly topping up for a tilt at a flag.
Highlights what a great program Sydney must have given they are always around the mark - sure they get help from the Academy situation but still they are largely grow your own, particularly impressive when you look at the number of rookies they have developed.


Yeah must me really hard for Sydney getting 2 players in Heeney and Mills that were rated top 3 in the draft as late first rounders.


Heath Grundy - 42 Rookie draft
Josh Kennedy - Pick 39 National Draft
Luke Parker (Dromana) - Pick 42 ND
Dane Rampe - Rookie 37
Jake Lloyd - Rookie 15
George Hewett - Pick 32 ND
Tom Papley - Rookie 12
Nic Newman (Mornington) - Rookie 35
Lewis Melican - Rookie 52.


Yeah Curly. Just like the umps.

One giant conspiracy and an AFL gift.


Every club has a list like yours above they just don't have gifts like Franklin Heeney and Mills. Put those three in StKildas side and we'd be in Sydney's position.


Yes Curly.
We know.

The VfL/AFL has conspired against us for 130 years.


If it wasnt for those damn conspirators we would have 5 flags by now..

Your paranoid childish s*** is so boring . I am bored shitless.

Surprise me for once.


Yeah handing sides that finish top two the best rated kids the following year sounds legit and fair to the clubs with out access to this.
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Re: List Analysis - Average Ages & Recycled players

Postby skeptic » Mon 18 Dec 2017 9:24am

The AFL isn’t rigged against the Saints but there is no doubt that they favour particular outcomes... especially those that tend to earn them stronger financial returns.

One of the reasons the Saints never a major rub of green is that their is little incentive in our success for them compared to other clubs.

You only have to look at the draw or the fact that Barry Hall played in a GF a week after punching someone to see that
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Re: List Analysis - Average Ages & Recycled players

Postby CURLY » Mon 18 Dec 2017 9:38am

skeptic wrote:The AFL isn’t rigged against the Saints but there is no doubt that they favour particular outcomes... especially those that tend to earn them stronger financial returns.

One of the reasons the Saints never a major rub of green is that their is little incentive in our success for them compared to other clubs.

You only have to look at the draw or the fact that Barry Hall played in a GF a week after punching someone to see that


Correct. How the AFL can sit back and give hand outs to particular clubs to keep them strong so they dont lose supporters is the highest form of corruption. Why should a Sydney supporter receive more enjoyment than a StKilda supporter?
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