Can the integrity of our B&F voting system be questioned?

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Can the integrity of our B&F voting system be questioned?

Postby Cairnsman » Tue 14 Nov 2017 9:30am

Mark Williams on SEN has questioned the integrity of clubland B&F voting systems.

What do supporters know about the integrity of the Saints voting system?
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Re: Can the integrity of our B&F voting system be questioned

Postby WellardSaint » Tue 14 Nov 2017 9:04pm

It matters little.

The clubs just do what they do, and in the end,
the votes are given in a subjective manner, by certain coaching personnel,
who have the benefit of knowing the game plan, tactics, strategy,
and importantly, what role each player has been given.
They're insiders.

The fans have access to raw data- stats- without enough knowledge of the inner workings.
We make judgement calls based on our own prejudices and bias,
e.g. myself, I think Ross isn't precise enough with his kicks, he seems to me to make poor decisions or execute poorly;
therefore I mark him very harshly- although he gets huge numbers, the quality ain't there.

The ITKs at the club make their assessments,
us fans make assessments.

It's like being a movie critic. Everyone sees something different, each person has an opinion.
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Re: Can the integrity of our B&F voting system be questioned

Postby ausfatcat » Tue 14 Nov 2017 10:21pm

Cairnsman wrote:Mark Williams on SEN has questioned the integrity of clubland B&F voting systems.

What do supporters know about the integrity of the Saints voting system?



on what basis?
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Re: Can the integrity of our B&F voting system be questioned

Postby skeptic » Tue 14 Nov 2017 11:21pm

There’s no integrity in anything in the AFL. Remember, Barry Hall got to play in the 05 GF
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Re: Can the integrity of our B&F voting system be questioned

Postby magnifisaint » Wed 15 Nov 2017 3:23pm

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Re: Can the integrity of our B&F voting system be questioned

Postby Enrico_Misso » Wed 15 Nov 2017 7:31pm

Club B&F's have always been a bit "contrived".
When Keith Greig surprisingly won his first Brownlow back in the 70s he supposedly finished 6th in North's B&F so they rejigged the figures to avoid embarassment.
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Re: Can the integrity of our B&F voting system be questioned

Postby Cairnsman » Thu 16 Nov 2017 9:25am

ausfatcat wrote:
Cairnsman wrote:Mark Williams on SEN has questioned the integrity of clubland B&F voting systems.

What do supporters know about the integrity of the Saints voting system?



on what basis?


Any really, is the integrity of the system regarded highly, poorly, is there past evidence of irregularities etc. Do Mark Williams assertions hold any validity with respect to how the Saints go about it?
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Re: Can the integrity of our B&F voting system be questioned

Postby St Chris » Thu 16 Nov 2017 9:50am

All stems from Gazza winning the GC award.

They tweaked the results knowing he was getting traded - it was more important that they improved their trade value than keep integrity in their B&F.

As far as the Saints are concerned, I cant think of too many shocking results in our B&F in recent years that would raise suspicion??
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Re: Can the integrity of our B&F voting system be questioned

Postby sunsaint » Fri 17 Nov 2017 6:01pm

Im not sure about integrity, but questions would have been raised if Armitage had polled well this year, but he didn't so all good. :wink:
One ardent poster here was adamant that one particular Ruckman would poll well, he didn't, so that also bodes well
The issue starts back further with team selection. Vfl good form doesn't get rewarded. Afl bad form doesn't indicate relegation.
Team kpi''s team "roles" & team "structure" never get explained
So us lesser mortals stay confused
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Re: Can the integrity of our B&F voting system be questioned

Postby remboy » Fri 17 Nov 2017 6:57pm

There was a year when Milne kicked 50 goals and finished 11th in the B&F. Suggestion was that he had a clause in his contract that promised a bonus if he finished top 10. All rumour and speculation of course.
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